- 06-15-2014, 01:17 PM
- 06-15-2014, 01:29 PM
I wasnt taking it that way at all and IM not trying to be harsh.
My thought was its sort of expensive as well but when I compared pricing on other brands we were still relatively low.
Source naturals sells for 20-30$ approx. 81mg caps x 60
we have 60x 250mg plus boron citrate. for less than 40$BLACK LION RESEARCH Take your own path-
06-15-2014, 02:30 PM
brundel have you already shipped viron to your uk distributor?looking every day at their homepage when it finally pops up in the new ar***** section
06-15-2014, 05:22 PM
06-28-2014, 01:36 PM
06-28-2014, 01:44 PM
I have no reason to think otherwise but I dont know for sure.
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06-28-2014, 01:53 PM
07-14-2014, 10:57 AM
07-14-2014, 11:05 AM
Yup ^ run a AI alongside it
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07-14-2014, 11:21 AM
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07-16-2014, 09:28 AM
Yo Coop, can you post up where you get that? I've taken Boron for many years and never have had an increase in estrogen based on labs, which would match up with a more recent study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21129941. I understand that previous studies done with lower amounts 2.5mg and 5mg saw an increase in estrogen and test, but that when higher amounts are administered, free test goes up significantly, estrogen lowers, and DHT goes up. Not saying that it could not raise estrogen in some, but want to keep an open mind about what is being said and what I personally have found.
I'd like to read up more if you have articles that say otherwise. Thanks!
07-16-2014, 09:32 AM
Havent seen that Tongkat Ali reduces estrogen just that it boosts T and Boron can increase estrogen conversion. Seems like certain people have issues controlling estrogen, then an AI is necessary. I use progesterone cream just in case even though I have never had that problem. Of course I am on my very first exogenous T cycle, so what do I know?
07-16-2014, 09:40 AM
Tongkat dramatically increased my free test from 19.4 to 27.3 (5-40 pg/mL scale) when I added it after my first year on TRT. Estrogen was relatively stable but still on the higher side at the time due to the process of dialing in my protocol.
I happen to be someone that sees a ton of benefit from boron and tongkat supplementation. I find it to be a remarkable combo.
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07-16-2014, 04:49 PM
I really think that you should not be using that along with DHEA if you are trying to address possible sides from the DHEA. I am only assuming that is why you are taking it.
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