- 07-17-2014, 01:56 AM
This stack would be all time cut stack
Here is a before and after of a friend who ran Incinderine and Formeron for his contest prep
- 07-17-2014, 07:36 AM
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07-18-2014, 02:38 AM
12-22-2014, 09:05 AM
I think we should all be careful of fake or moonshine tongkat ali extracts. That somebody is promoting his own product as the best on a forum is just spam blabla. Look at the fundamentals: Is a product properly licensed? How long is the seller in business? Is there photographic proof of access to tongkat ali?
12-22-2014, 09:34 AM
12-22-2014, 09:50 AM
12-22-2014, 11:51 AM
12-22-2014, 12:48 PM
12-22-2014, 12:51 PM
High grade tongkat coupled with boron citrate.
Priced low for the quality and dose. Has been used by thousands of people with no negative reports.
12-26-2014, 09:25 PM
12-27-2014, 08:16 AM
12-27-2014, 08:28 AM
12-27-2014, 10:28 AM
been reading into this herb/supplement quite a bit. seems very promising, whats the verdict on the best quality?
12-27-2014, 10:32 AM
Ratios mean nothing other than a marketing ploy. I've had 1:100 that was better than 1:200 and with lower mg. It is all about sourcing like anything else.
Black Lion Research Representative
12-27-2014, 10:38 AM
12-27-2014, 10:39 AM
1:200 extract is not many who sell and if you find it, they will show a lab test gladly to prove their quality.
1:200 means u need 200kg to make 1kg of tongkat 1:200 extract
12-27-2014, 10:52 AM
For the official LJ 100 by herbal power, Universal N 1T is really well price. and you know you get the real good stuff
12-27-2014, 12:59 PM
THere is no standard by which 200:1 is measured. Basically a company can just say it and there is no way to dis prove it aside from chemical testing.
Ill hold mine up to ANY tongkat on the market with regards to quality, strength and effect.
THe price is as good as it gets as well.
12-27-2014, 11:31 PM
12-28-2014, 03:07 AM
12-28-2014, 08:05 AM
2. But i have seen one company showing me lab test results and i am more than happy.
3. ahelu.com is nothing than bull****.
Serge Kreutz is a big clown and no need to be rocket scientist to find out he is a big scam
12-28-2014, 11:53 AM
i would use viron but what scares me is the boron, from what I've read boron effects DHT and dht relates to balding... with a bald father and 2 bald grandfathers and a thinning hairline the dh raise scares me
12-28-2014, 12:01 PM
12-28-2014, 12:02 PM
so correct me if I'm wrong but, what you saying is that Viron (although it raises dht) will not have any impact on hair issues ?
12-28-2014, 12:18 PM
12-28-2014, 12:44 PM
12-28-2014, 12:57 PM
12-28-2014, 01:03 PM
12-28-2014, 01:09 PM
I have a bottle of tongkat Ali, but haven't taken it due to my current PH cycle. can I take tongkat Ali during pct or during my natty cycle?
12-28-2014, 01:16 PM
12-28-2014, 01:19 PM
5 on 2 off has been working best regardless of cycle length.
12-28-2014, 01:20 PM
12-28-2014, 01:20 PM
12-28-2014, 01:23 PM
12-28-2014, 01:24 PM
12-28-2014, 01:27 PM
12-28-2014, 01:28 PM
12-28-2014, 01:30 PM
I have been taking TA many times and as i said there is no need to take any days off if the goal is short cycle as 6-8 weeks.
there is no evidence which can prove 5 days on and 2 days off working better than taking it everyday (8 week as example)
Why brands suggest those small breaks is to avoid body get used to a ingredient which could lead to less effectiveness. But many times its just pointless IMO
12-28-2014, 01:32 PM
5 days on and 2 days off gives you 40% break from the product.
Its like you run it for 60 days and taking a break foe 24 days .
But honestly is it not sure if TA need to be cycled at all. Cycling from long run is to:
-mininize sides (if it is any)
-to avoid body getting used to the ingredient
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