Tongkat Ali

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Why would you do this?
    Unless your taking clomid to prevent gyno there is no point.

    Clomid is WAY overprescribed and many DRs dont even understand how it works.

    If anything take an AI and transdermal test.
    I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
    No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind


  2. Hopefully my Viron arrives tommorow so I can give it a go ASAP.

    Lol I hate being patient
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Sketch2000 View Post
    I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
    No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
    Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.
    Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
    Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.

    You might get some..but negligible.
    Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
    So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
    I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post
    Hopefully my Viron arrives tommorow so I can give it a go ASAP.

    Lol I hate being patient
    Just to give you a heads up it should look like this

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    Just to give you a heads up it should look like this <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10 2396"/>
    Ah Ha Thanks for the heads up lol

    You running it yet?
    Dosages etc ?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post

    Ah Ha Thanks for the heads up lol

    You running it yet?
    Dosages etc ?
    Not yet, should be one a day, preferably first thing. You could try 2 I guess. Slow and steady beats fast Eddie. Try it and maybe play with dose.

  7. Yup, I'm gunna start with 1 in the am.

    Except tommorow, I'm gunna pop one as soon as it comes lol

    We'll see how it goes and I'll post some feedback. Im gunna use it to promote a little free test and estrogen after a run of letro.
    See if it helps speed up recovery from the sides a bit.

  8. My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.

    Just keep in mind that you'd be taking 20mg of boron and that may eventually bring on e2 sides. So get Formeron ready or keep it at 1.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.
    Did you immediately start at 2?

    Just wondering how much of an additional benefit you saw between 1 & 2 caps if not.

    If I react we'll to it, I will definately bump to 2 caps.

  10. No, I always start anything at the lowest recommended amount and move up. I am very familiar with TA over the years and know exactly what to expect, so the energy is welcoming and warm feeling. If someone is sensitive to it, then it's better to get used to it because it can feel "heady".

  11. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.
    Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
    Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.

    You might get some..but negligible.
    Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
    So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
    I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
    Thanks.

    I'm really interested in TA for its libido enhancing properties. I know once you begin receiving test externally your natural production shuts down, just wasn't sure if the TA would have any effect. The other benefits however sound promising.
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind

  12. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    We havnt test specifically for this compound.
    There are...other beneficial compounds in the tongkat as well.
    My personal fav is 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21569213

    When I first tested the extract we used I noticed effects consistent with the above study.
    As a vascular Ca2+ channel blocker, one would think tongkat would lower BP...

  13. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Our brand new Test Factor uses a 2% eurycomanone Tongkat extract.
    Not easy to get the good Tongkat. But this stuff is legit!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Pneumophant View Post
    Not easy to get the good Tongkat. But this stuff is legit!
    Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).

    Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post

    Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).

    Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
    A stroke and pitch in one paragraph... A sign of a good salesman

  16. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).

    Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
    Agreed. Brundel knows his stuff!
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    As a vascular Ca2+ channel blocker, one would think tongkat would lower BP...
    That is fairly interesting..
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  18. Ordered viron. Shame only one black lion online distributor has it in stock. Kinda pricey. But i want to go with the best.
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Sketch2000 View Post
    Ordered viron. Shame only one black lion online distributor has it in stock. Kinda pricey. But i want to go with the best.
    We will be shipping to more distributors next week.
    The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
    Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.

    You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
    I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    We will be shipping to more distributors next week.
    The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
    Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.

    You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
    I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.
    Cool. Thanks for all your helpful info too brundel.
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind

  21. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    We will be shipping to more distributors next week.
    The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
    Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.

    You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
    I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.
    No disrespect intended either brother. Obviously just learning about this stuff so no real idea about the pricing. Nothing to really compare to.
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind

  22. I wasnt taking it that way at all and IM not trying to be harsh.
    Just explaining.
    My thought was its sort of expensive as well but when I compared pricing on other brands we were still relatively low.

    Source naturals sells for 20-30$ approx. 81mg caps x 60
    we have 60x 250mg plus boron citrate. for less than 40$
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  23. brundel have you already shipped viron to your uk distributor?looking every day at their homepage when it finally pops up in the new ar***** section

  24. Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    brundel have you already shipped viron to your uk distributor?looking every day at their homepage when it finally pops up in the new ar***** section
    Yes sir Viron shipped to the UK last week.

    Its not going to the same place the Follidrone intro was at.
    The second Retailer listed for the Uk.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yes sir Viron shipped to the UK last week.

    Its not going to the same place the Follidrone intro was at.
    The second Retailer listed for the Uk.
    Brundel do you know if Tongkat Ali is available / allowed in Australia?

    Sketch
    Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind

  26. I have no reason to think otherwise but I dont know for sure.
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  27. Okay. Thanks brother.

    Sketch
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
    it will also increase your estrogen levels.

  29. Yup ^ run a AI alongside it
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Yup ^ run a AI alongside it
    I know its been mentioned that an AI might be needed, but I've spoken to a few reputable people that think it isnt needed. Especially if dosing 4/3
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