- 06-10-2014, 06:14 PM
- 06-10-2014, 06:34 PM
06-10-2014, 07:31 PM
Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.
You might get some..but negligible.
Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
06-10-2014, 08:10 PM
06-10-2014, 08:13 PM
06-10-2014, 08:17 PM
06-10-2014, 08:20 PM
Yup, I'm gunna start with 1 in the am.
Except tommorow, I'm gunna pop one as soon as it comes lol
We'll see how it goes and I'll post some feedback. Im gunna use it to promote a little and estrogen after a run of letro.
See if it helps speed up recovery from the sides a bit.
06-10-2014, 08:22 PM
My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.
Just keep in mind that you'd be taking 20mg of boron and that may eventually bring on e2 sides. So get ready or keep it at 1.
06-10-2014, 08:25 PM
06-10-2014, 08:33 PM
No, I always start anything at the lowest recommended amount and move up. I am very familiar with TA over the years and know exactly what to expect, so the energy is welcoming and warm feeling. If someone is sensitive to it, then it's better to get used to it because it can feel "heady".
06-11-2014, 12:44 AM
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06-11-2014, 04:38 AM
06-11-2014, 08:30 PM
06-12-2014, 06:48 PM
Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
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06-12-2014, 07:02 PM
06-12-2014, 10:38 PM
06-15-2014, 12:55 AM
06-15-2014, 09:35 AM
Ordered viron. Shame only one black lion online distributor has it in stock. Kinda pricey. But i want to go with the best.
Mentally Unstable - Divided Mind
06-15-2014, 01:06 PM
The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.
You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.
06-15-2014, 01:08 PM
06-15-2014, 01:17 PM
06-15-2014, 01:29 PM
I wasnt taking it that way at all and IM not trying to be harsh.
My thought was its sort of expensive as well but when I compared pricing on other brands we were still relatively low.
Source naturals sells for 20-30$ approx. 81mg caps x 60
we have 60x 250mg plus boron citrate. for less than 40$
06-15-2014, 02:30 PM
brundel have you already shipped viron to your uk distributor?looking every day at their homepage when it finally pops up in the new ar***** section
06-15-2014, 05:22 PM
06-28-2014, 01:36 PM
06-28-2014, 01:44 PM
I have no reason to think otherwise but I dont know for sure.
06-28-2014, 01:53 PM
07-14-2014, 10:57 AM
07-14-2014, 11:05 AM
Yup ^ run a AI alongside it
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07-14-2014, 11:21 AM
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