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[Matt 258]

Hey guys I'm trying to get shredded for the summer I currently weigh 180 5''11 with 12 %bf. I workout 6 days a week but switching it up to only 5 days a week so I get rest. Does anyone know anything about underground pharma torrid eca and adicor by katalyst.

 

[JudgementDay]

I would take a look at Black (Pro Xanthine)


I think this would be a much better option for fat burning, plus not a big fan on 1'3 dime. Your better off sticking with proven fat loss ingredients such as 3,5 diiodo-L-thyronine and Yohimbine HCI, which you will also find in FINAFLEX PX Black.

Take a look at the ingredients in PX Black


Highlights

Antioxidant Energy Amplification
1,3,7-trimethylxanthine (caffeine)- CNS Stimulant
Naringin- A potent flavonoid derived from Grapefruits have been proven to have weight-loss & glucose regulation effects.
Hesperidin -Another Citrus flavonoid that has been found to have effects on Lipid Metabolism (Fatty Acid Mobilization)
Sulbutiamine- Derivative of Thiamine found to have beneficial effects on the brain & Glucose Metabolism.
B-phenethylamine HCl – increased mood, quicker response times, and a longer response duration, enhanced focus.
Theobromine- CNS Stimulant (similar to Caffeine)
R-methyl-b-phenethylamine HCl- is a derivative of PEA that doesn’t break down and allows for higher concentration of PEA in the brain.
Hordenine HCl- has been found to have noadrenaline reuptake reduction properties [6] Exhibits MAOB inhibitor properties-increases potency of all ingredients.
Yohimbine HCl- Yohimbine is a fat burning compound that acts on fat cells in a manner similar to ‘preventing fat loss from stopping’

Thyroid Stimulus
3,5 diiodo-L-thyronine plays an important role in energy metabolism and fat storage.

Fat Burning Matrix
Ligustrum lucidum ait (99% oleanolic acid) Olive Oil Derivative found to promote Fatty Acid Metabolism
IRISINXD (green tea extract [standardized for EGCG] -EGCG was able to increase the degree of fat oxidation in obese men without affecting overall metabolic rate.
N-coumaroyldopamine- phytochemical found in various plants, including cocoa, has been found to increase cAMP.
Advantra Z (citrus aurantium extract powder 50%) Citrus aurantium, bitter orange or citrus extract has been found to have effects on thermogenesis by working in a synergistic manner with other fat burning compounds

 

[The Solution]

Before you invest in a burner, what does your diet look like?
Cardio?

That is way more important than a supplement.

 

[SwolenONE]

Cardio, lifting regimen and diet are all more important than your supplementation.

Be very sure to start with the lowest possible dosage of any fat burner that you choose, assess your tolerance and mindfully adjust dosing from there.

 

[Colbert]

Everything that they've mentioned above. Also, please, please, drop your calories slowly. I see way to many people dropping their calories way too fast and end up losing mostly their gains.

To help you during your weight loss, or even during bulking, stand somewhere with a white background and take a picture every morning after going to bathroom and weighting yourself. Once you notice you've stopped losing weight then it is a good time to drop some calories and/or bump up your cardio.

 

[aaronuconn]

HIIT + a caloric deficit work for most.

 

[packers6211]

http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/lecheek-nutrition-ampilean-60-caps.html been through a ton of fb in the past. Some that were the best are gone now due to fda aholes. That being said besides the obvious diet and training, this has been my go2 for the last 7 months. Solid energy and helps with focus as well. Lecheek makes some of the best products out there.

 

[Matt 258]

Before you invest in a burner, what does your diet look like?
Cardio?

That is way more important than a supplement.

This is what I'm going to start following
8oz water
5gm L-Glutamine (1 tsp)
1000mg Vitamin C, 50mg Vitamin B-Complex
(5 gm protein) - 20 cals
Meal1 (15-20 minutes later) - Breakfast
5 egg whites, 2 whole egg
½ cup oatmeal (dry measure - add almond milk unsweetened vanilla, sea salt and cinnamon to taste)
1 kiwi, or ½ cup organic berries or grapes
2000mg Fish Oil
( 8.5 gm fat / 39gm protein / 40 gm carbs) - 392.5 cals
Meal2
5oz Chicken (cooked measure)
1/4 cup brown rice or quinoa or 6oz organic sweet potato (cooked measure)
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1 cup)
1 teaspoon RAW Coconut Oil
(6 gm fat / 45 gm protein / 20-24 gm carbs) - 314 cals
Meal3
5oz Chicken (cooked measure)
1/4 cup brown rice or quinoa or 6oz organic sweet potato (cooked measure)
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1 cup)
1 teaspoon RAW Coconut Oil
(6 gm fat / 45 gm protein / 20-24 gm carbs) - 314 cals
15 – 20 mins before workout
½ scoop Preworkout powder
5grams BCAA
1000mg Vitamin C
50mg Vitamin B-Complex
During Workout
Sip mixture of 5gm glutamine, 5gm bcaa
(15 gm protein) - 60 cal
Post Workout Shake - IMMEDIATELY
1 scoop whey isolate protein - in water or almond milk (unsweetened, vanilla)
1 small organic green apple or ½ cup blueberries or 1 kiwi
(25gm protein / 15 gm carbs) - 160 cals
Meal4 - 1 hour after workout - Post Workout Meal
6oz white fish (tilapia, cod, haddock, hake, swai, sole)
1/4 cup brown rice or quinoa or 6oz organic sweet potato (cooked measure)
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1 cup)
**TIP - spicy salsa can be good on white fish
(1.5 gm fat / 48 gm protein / 20 - 25 gm carbs ) - 285 cals
Meal5
5 oz chicken or 93/7 turkey
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handful or 1-2 cups as desired)
(3.5 gm fat / 40 gm protein ) - 340 cals
Meal6: - (1 hour before bed)
5 oz lean Steak or wild Salmon
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1-2 cups as desired)
2000 mg Fish Oil
(18 gm fat / 41.5 gm protein) - 328 cals
MINERALS w/ last meal
Mineral Complex from Vitamin Shoppe Brand - 5 tablets
Immediately before bed
5 gram L-Glutamine

 

[Matt 258]

Before you invest in a burner, what does your diet look like?
Cardio?

That is way more important than a supplement.

I usually do 20 minutes of swimming
Or running then just hit the gym for an hour. People told me to lift 4-5 days a week I was just going 6 days a week doing back/chest/ shoulders/arms/legs/. What do you suggest and what are compound movements like chest and tris?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

a bench press is a compound movement for chest and close grip bench presses are a compound movement for tris
ifn has a new fatburner coming out in a couple weeks that's looking pretty bomb.
alphamine
Dexaprine
norcodrene
Redline UHC
these are some of my current favorites

 

[veaderko]

You can structure your workout as you listed with a bodypart a day. Though a small suggestion might be to do Chest & Arms, Legs, Back & Shoulders, Rest, do it again. That would be my suggrestion for workout. Than add HIIT 2-3 times a week after training for 15-20 min. Than after you do all this and your diet is on track I would add a thermo. The two you listed above I have not tried. The ones I would suggest are Dexaprine, Alphamine, TT-33 (non-stim).

Do you have a total Macro Breakdown for your diet, hard to read on my phone.

 

[The Solution]

Glutamine is 100% Worthless Drop that.
You dont need a post-workout shake or more BCAA/Glutamine intra-workout because your in a fed state so you could drop that
You have food overlap from previous meals so a shake immediately and a meal following it shortly after is not benefitting you much or MPS at all/.

This is what I'm going to start following
\
Meal1 (15-20 minutes later) - Breakfast
5 egg whites, 2 whole egg
½ cup oatmeal (dry measure - add almond milk unsweetened vanilla, sea salt and cinnamon to taste)
1 kiwi, or ½ cup organic berries or grapes
2000mg Fish Oil
( 8.5 gm fat / 39gm protein / 40 gm carbs) - 392.5 cals

Meal2
5oz Chicken (cooked measure)
1/4 cup brown rice or quinoa or 6oz organic sweet potato (cooked measure)
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1 cup)
1 teaspoon RAW Coconut Oil
(6 gm fat / 45 gm protein / 20-24 gm carbs) - 314 cals

Meal3
5oz Chicken (cooked measure)
1/4 cup brown rice or quinoa or 6oz organic sweet potato (cooked measure)
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1 cup)
1 teaspoon RAW Coconut Oil
(6 gm fat / 45 gm protein / 20-24 gm carbs) - 314 cals
15 – 20 mins before workout
½ scoop Preworkout powder
5grams BCAA
1000mg Vitamin C
50mg Vitamin B-Complex
During Workout
Sip mixture of 5gm glutamine, 5gm bcaa
(15 gm protein) - 60 cal
Post Workout Shake - IMMEDIATELY
1 scoop whey isolate protein - in water or almond milk (unsweetened, vanilla)
1 small organic green apple or ½ cup blueberries or 1 kiwi
(25gm protein / 15 gm carbs) - 160 cals
Meal4 - 1 hour after workout - Post Workout Meal
6oz white fish (tilapia, cod, haddock, hake, swai, sole)
1/4 cup brown rice or quinoa or 6oz organic sweet potato (cooked measure)
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1 cup)
**TIP - spicy salsa can be good on white fish
(1.5 gm fat / 48 gm protein / 20 - 25 gm carbs ) - 285 cals
Meal5
5 oz chicken or 93/7 turkey
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handful or 1-2 cups as desired)
(3.5 gm fat / 40 gm protein ) - 340 cals
Meal6: - (1 hour before bed)
5 oz lean Steak or wild Salmon
Salad OR raw OR steamed veggies (at least 1 serving, approx 1 big handfull or 1-2 cups as desired)
2000 mg Fish Oil
(18 gm fat / 41.5 gm protein) - 328 cals
MINERALS w/ last meal
Mineral Complex from Vitamin Shoppe Brand - 5 tablets
Immediately before bed
5 gram L-Glutamine

You are a supplement companies wet dream.
You could also drop your meal frequency to 4-5 meals and aid in larger meals while cutting and increasing satiety, there is nothing magical about eating every so often besides personal preference, nor do you need to cut carbs in your later meals. I am sure eating 100-200 kcals meals are not very satisfying and MPS would be better with meals spaced out further apart allowing protein levels to reach refractory stages before being spiked again.

Invest in a creatine before you buy all the mineral blends, and glutamine, not worth your time or money .

 

[snagencyV2.0]

sigh

OP, I think your diet looks pretty top-notch really...let's not get sidetracked and derailed into things that do not need fixed, based on what some anonymous guy on a forum says

based on your protocol here concurrent with your goals, you sir are already ahead of the mass majority of ppl you will get feedback from, on this forum

 

[Misfit28]

Agree with snagency here, you seem to have things under control.

Have you looked into a combo fo BPS Combustion and DCP 2.0?

There's a promo going on to log that stack in the Company promo section: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/248871-loggers-needed-bps-2.html#post4467631

 

[Matt 258]

You can structure your workout as you listed with a bodypart a day. Though a small suggestion might be to do Chest & Arms, Legs, Back & Shoulders, Rest, do it again. That would be my suggrestion for workout. Than add HIIT 2-3 times a week after training for 15-20 min. Than after you do all this and your diet is on track I would add a thermo. The two you listed above I have not tried. The ones I would suggest are Dexaprine, Alphamine, TT-33 (non-stim).

Do you have a total Macro Breakdown for your diet, hard to read on my phone.

It's around 300 protein around 200 carbs and 49 g fat. So your saying for example chest and arms Monday legs Tuesday back and shoulders Wednesday, Thursday rest, Friday chest arms etc?

 

[Matt 258]

Glutamine is 100% Worthless Drop that.
You dont need a post-workout shake or more BCAA/Glutamine intra-workout because your in a fed state so you could drop that
You have food overlap from previous meals so a shake immediately and a meal following it shortly after is not benefitting you much or MPS at all/.




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I'm taking kre alkaline instead if mono to try to lean out. What is creatine nitrate? Also what does hiit high intense interval training? What's an example of hiit. What macros do you suggest for me to lean out without losing weight? Thank you

 

[Misfit28]

It's around 300 protein around 200 carbs and 49 g fat. So your saying for example chest and arms Monday legs Tuesday back and shoulders Wednesday, Thursday rest, Friday chest arms etc?

IMO, you don't really need that much protein, and your Fat levels seem a bit low.

Generally speaking, I aim for .82-1g of Protein per pound of BW and .45g of Fat per lb. of BW. I usually just adjust my carb intake to adjust my overall calories.

 

[Montego1]

I'm taking kre alkaline instead if mono to try to lean out. What is creatine nitrate? Also what does hiit high intense interval training? What's an example of hiit. What macros do you suggest for me to lean out without losing weight? Thank you

Creatine nitrate is a nitrate with a creatine bonded to it. Nitrates are shown to increase endurance, blood flow, many different factors. The type of creatine you use will have no bearing on how "lean you are". Creatine like Crea-Trona and or Creapure do show less "bloating" then other forms though. This boils down largely in part to hydration and diet though.

HIIT example would be sprints. Short rest periods followed by max effort physical activity for a short time. Mainly it's used to try to increase muscle mass while at the same time expending large amounts of calories.

 

[The Solution]

It's around 300 protein around 200 carbs and 49 g fat. So your saying for example chest and arms Monday legs Tuesday back and shoulders Wednesday, Thursday rest, Friday chest arms etc?

at 180 pounds, 200g of protein is far more than enough. You can easily cut back and add those to carbs/fats.

 

[The Solution]

I'm taking kre alkaline instead if mono to try to lean out. What is creatine nitrate? Also what does hiit high intense interval training? What's an example of hiit. What macros do you suggest for me to lean out without losing weight? Thank you

A different form of creatine wont lean you out?
Where are you getting this info from?
Creatine nitrate is a nitrate bonded to creatine you could find it in a product like c4 (pre-workout)
All you need is 5g of mono and your fine, tis the only studied form of creatine out there.

What do you do to lean out? Caloric deficit, pills and powders dont cause progress, your diet and training does.
You could easily drop a lot of crap you take and make more progress while saving money.

 

[Jiigzz]

I would drop down/ eliminate your vit C to 500mg. 1000mg in bolus will just be rapidly eliminated (in like 30minutes).

Because of how many veges abd fruit you eat,dropping it is also a good option.

Oh and with your diet, the b complex isnt needed.

Your food plan looks good although your fat intake seems to be quite low.. for optimal hormonal function, you are going to cut yourself short tremendously.

 

[Matt 258]

A different form of creatine wont lean you out?
Where are you getting this info from?
Creatine nitrate is a nitrate bonded to creatine you could find it in a product like c4 (pre-workout)
All you need is 5g of mono and your fine, tis the only studied form of creatine out there.

What do you do to lean out? Caloric deficit, pills and powders dont cause progress, your diet and training does.
You could easily drop a lot of crap you take and make more progress while saving money.

Okay I'll do that I have some old mono! When trying to cut how many times should you lift a week and cardio without losing to much muscle.

 

[Matt 258]

I would drop down/ eliminate your vit C to 500mg. 1000mg in bolus will just be rapidly eliminated (

Your food plan looks good although your fat intake seems to be quite low.. for optimal hormonal function, you are going to cut yourself short tremendously.

Yeah I'm just going to stick with the food and not to many supplements. If I reduce my carbs what is a good replacement for it because all I'm really eating is protein and vegies

 

[The Solution]

Okay I'll do that I have some old mono! When trying to cut how many times should you lift a week and cardio without losing to much muscle.

Depends on the individual
their caloric amount
their cardio amount
and how they are recovering, maintaining strength, and also seeing results in the mirror
too black and white of a question that is personal based.