Best GDA for me?

[DWeaver]

Starting to cut and was thinking about adding a GDA. Currently taking Erase Pro, Norcodrene and Forskolin 95. Preworkout is GameDay, extra GMS, Agmatine and Beta Alanine. Thanks for the help.

 

[Driven2lift]

What are your macros looking like brother?

 

[DWeaver]

What are your macros looking like brother?

With my jacked up schedule it's tough to prep food for more than a day or two. I'm 180lb and right now I stay around 500 below mant. Eat as much protein and healthy fats up to my pre workout meal which is Greek yogurt mixed with a almond/granola chunks and a little extra whey. After work I'm able to fix a clean meal for dinner. It's just tough during the day.

 

[Driven2lift]

Ok well top recommendations and products with great feedback here would be Recompadrol or Burn24

Just taken before largest meals typically.

 

[cbsharpe]

My recompadrol order should be here any day now......

 

[De__eB]

SNS Glycophase is the best deal on the GDA market.

Unbeatable price point, and a great formula behind it.

I don't currently take it daily, however I do use it with high carb meals pretty regularly

 

[ma70]

I've tried a couple of GDAs (Slin Sane V2, Glycophase, Burn24) and I can say I like Glycophase/Burn24 the most.

 

[XIXOX]

recompadrol is the best for me

 

[aquareef]

recompadrol is the best for me

Ditto, if you're deficient in VS then you'll see some pretty quick results. Either way though i definitely notice the help, especially with cheat meals!

 

[DWeaver]

Ditto, if you're deficient in VS then you'll see some pretty quick results. Either way though i definitely notice the help, especially with cheat meals!

I'm sorry but what's VS?

 

[The Solution]

SSV2, Recomp and Anabolic Pump are my 3 favorites
heard a lot of good stuff about burn 24.

seems like you dont know your exact kcals in your diet, that would be the wisest thing to do is correct that, track accurately and you will see much better progress on your cut.

 

[SwolenONE]

Recompadrol and Burn 24 are both top notch in my experience.

 

[Grayson]

Go even simpler and do 300 MG na-r-ala with 500 MG agmatine.

 

[aquareef]

I'm sorry but what's VS?

Vanadyl Sulfate, it's a mineral that most people could use more of, and it lends itself to a more vascular look.

 

[cbsharpe]

Go even simpler and do 300 MG na-r-ala with 500 MG agmatine.

I can vouch for ala...good stuff. I have bulk agmatine on hand, so I may try this combo one day if I decide to purchase some na-r-ala.

 

[aaronuconn]

I can vouch for ala...good stuff. I have bulk agmatine on hand, so I may try this combo one day if I decide to purchase some na-r-ala.

I like Agmatine + Na-R-ALA + ALCAR. Great combo.

 

[warbird01]

I like Agmatine + Na-R-ALA + ALCAR. Great combo.

Love me some agmatine as a GDA. Good thing SNS has it at such a good price!

 

[cbsharpe]

I like Agmatine + Na-R-ALA + ALCAR. Great combo.

Hmmmmm....good to know.

 

[Driven2lift]

I like Agmatine + Na-R-ALA + ALCAR. Great combo.

Great combo I agree.

Anyone looking to try this just remember to have either ALCAR or NaRALA capped.

 

[criticalbench]

Recompadrol gets my vote!

Mike

 

[SuppJunkie]

Recompadrol gets my vote!

Mike

I have a whimpy stomach and the gda I used in the past wrecked my stomach. How is recompadrol as far as that goes?

 

[Bnatural]

I'm using metabolic powder by EBF. Solid product and effective, especially during a refeed.

 

[RecompMan]

I have a whimpy stomach and the gda I used in the past wrecked my stomach. How is redo pardon as far as that goes?

Shouldn't be to bad man some people are sensitive. But others can jump into 150% daily dose n be fine

 

[cbsharpe]

Recompadrol is the shiz. Had some beef and chicken lo mein and I wasn't even stuffed.

 

[HITFrank]

Best GDA for Kiefer Carb Back-loading?

During backloading Kiefer want you to use simple carbs so you won't have high bloodsugar for too long. Would there be an idea using a GDA to lower/clear the bloodsugar, for example using two Burn24 a couple of hours after the last meal?

Anyone using GDA's with carb back-loading?

 

[Grayson]

How about just na-r-ala with backloading?

 

[Grayson]

well when i have a meal of 200-250g carbs post workout, about an hour pre wo i'll have 300mg Na-R-ALA

then workout, eat.

then my next meal have an SSv2 about two hours later and eat the rest of my carbs, usually another 40-50g more fiber though, fiber one cereal, meat and veggies, etc

I really like that plan. I have AP, but SSv2 looks like a much more complete formula.

 

[RecompMan]

I really like that plan. I have AP, but SSv2 looks like a much more complete formula.

Nothing more complete then recompadrol

And a bottle with this kind of backload would last like 2-3 months at 250 carbs at night

 

[Grayson]

Nothing more complete then recompadrol

And a bottle with this kind of backload would last like 2-3 months at 250 carbs at night

So my plan would be:
Monday: AM workout - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol
Tuesday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol
Wednesday: AM workout - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol
Thursday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol
Friday: AM workout - 1 - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol
Saturday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol
Sunday: AM workout - 1 - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol

Thus the following monday would look like tuesday with a backload for tuesday. How's that?

 

[RecompMan]

So my plan would be: Monday: AM workout - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol Tuesday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol Wednesday: AM workout - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol Thursday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol Friday: AM workout - 1 - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol Saturday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol Sunday: AM workout - 1 - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol Thus the following monday would look like tuesday with a backload for tuesday. How's that?

Looks good. Anything over 120 carbs I'd add a second capsule. But looks good man

 

[HITFrank]

So my plan would be:
Monday: AM workout - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol
Tuesday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol
Wednesday: AM workout - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol
Thursday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol
Friday: AM workout - 1 - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol
Saturday: no workout - backload (130-180 carbs) - 1 recompadrol
Sunday: AM workout - 1 - 1 na-r-ala pre workout - light carb day (25-45 carbs) - no recompadrol

Thus the following monday would look like tuesday with a backload for tuesday. How's that?

Since you only train early you backload the day before you workout? Why the na-r-ala before the workout?

Do you backload with simple/fast carbs?

 

[HITFrank]

I use a GDA before bed doing Kiefer's backloading, and if I have two carb meals post workout, the second I'll have an SSv2

I like Burn24 for cuts and fasted cardio

Recompadrol for cheats (Other don't even compare in my opinion)

SSv2 is great

SSv1 I have before bed.

Goal, gaining or losing weight? Always a PM trainer?

 

[Grayson]

Since you only train early you backload the day before you workout? Why the na-r-ala before the workout?

Do you backload with simple/fast carbs?

1) Exactly

2) I'm still experimenting with this. My three trials are na-r-ala pre carb backload, pre workout, post workout. All three have merit (some would argue that ala post workout is useless, and others will contest that).

3) Yes, per kiefer's instructions I keep them as simple as possible. So potatoes, white bagels, fresh bread, gummy worms. And I keep the meats lean: sirloin, chicken breast.

I should also mention that I'm also dosing 300mg na-r-ala with 1g agmatine before bed to induce ketosis quicker.

 

[HITFrank]

1) Exactly 2) I'm still experimenting with this. My three trials are na-r-ala pre carb backload, pre workout, post workout. All three have merit (some would argue that ala post workout is useless, and others will contest that). 3) Yes, per kiefer's instructions I keep them as simple as possible. So potatoes, white bagels, fresh bread, gummy worms. And I keep the meats lean: sirloin, chicken breast. I should also mention that I'm also dosing 300mg na-r-ala with 1g agmatine before bed to induce ketosis quicker.

I am starting CBL soon after skimming through the book this weekend. Has Kiefer himself ever mentioned GDA's, pro or cons?

What are your goals? I need to lose a lot of weight. I can train AM and PM, but feel more energized when training early before work rather than after.

Do you consume more calories on off days than training days?

I have burn24 and recompadrol, but will look into na-r-ala..

 

[Grayson]

I am starting CBL soon after skimming through the book this weekend. Has Kiefer himself ever mentioned GDA's, pro or cons?

I found a transcript of a podcast in which a listener asked him about Anabolic Pump and he said "he hasn't done his research in their effectiveness." This has me worried.

What are your goals? I need to lose a lot of weight. I can train AM and PM, but feel more energized when training early before work rather than after.

I am currently 158 lbs at 14% bf. I've been cutting since late dec at 177lbs at 25%. My goal is to be 9-10% by late June and then slowly raise the calories back up for a bulk.

I also train AM. Kiefer has a section of his book called "no body's perfect." Look it over. He mentions that if an off day is a day in which you don't train the next am. And on day is a day in which you train the following AM.

Do you consume more calories on off days than training days?

No, on off days (training days) I cut 17.5% of total TDEE. Then on on days (backload days) I only do a 10% cut.

I have burn24 and recompadrol, but will look into na-r-ala..

Na-R-ALA is very effective and should complement both GDAs. I'd go against burn24 because it has some carb blocking properties (so I've read; I could be wrong). I'm getting a bottle of recompadrol and ssv2.

 

[Grayson]

Also, look at this article:

http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/06/time-to-stir-that-pot-refutation-of.html?zx=d4b7aa669fdf266c

Basically having high fat + simple carb is a recipe for disaster.

I'd opt for clean simple carbs (potato or fresh white bread) and lean beef. Keep the ice cream out of it.

 

[The Solution]

Nothing more complete then recompadrol

And a bottle with this kind of backload would last like 2-3 months at 250 carbs at night

This
2 caps AP or Slin Sane V2 is what i would do for my last meal (not post-workout)
my first meal is usually P+F Regardless if i train first thing upon waking or train in the afternoon.

http://forum.reactivetrainingsystems.com/content.php?108-The-Biorhythm-Diet

-- By ingesting high-fat meals in the evening, you induce "metabolic inflexibility" – effectively disrupting metabolic rate and increasing fat storage, risk of obesity, elevated insulin levels and a reduction in insulin sensitivity.

-- By ingesting high-fat meals in the morning and afternoon, you increase metabolic flexibility – setting the metabolism for higher fat oxidation throughout the day. As LPL enzyme (splits up circulating fatty acids and makes them available for storage) is higher in muscle in the AM, fats are more likely to be burned off as energy or stored as lipid droplets within the muscle (IMTG).

-- By ingesting high-carb meals in the morning, the same “metabolic inflexibility” occurred, and the metabolism is fixed towards glucose oxidation instead of fat oxidation. This also increases fat storage from meals eaten during the day, and higher-fat meals eaten in the evening in particular.
-- By ingesting high-carb meals in the evening, you get a bump in the natural leptin signal (occurring 3-6hrs after going to sleep), essentially increasing fat burning through the night and the rest of the following day.

-- Insulin sensitivity is higher in all cells early in the day, including fat cells, but decreases towards the afternoon and evening, thus partitioning carbs ingested at this time more efficiently into muscle vs. fat. This is obviously further improved by training the muscle that day.

-- Eating carbs will increase the feel-good neurotransmitter serotonin and make you sleepy. What better time to have your carbs than a couple of hours before bedtime so you can fall into a deeper, higher-quality sleep

 

[RecompMan]

Also, look at this article: http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/06/time-to-stir-that-pot-refutation-of.html?zx=d4b7aa669fdf266c Basically having high fat + simple carb is a recipe for disaster. I'd opt for clean simple carbs (potato or fresh white bread) and lean beef. Keep the ice cream out of it.

Way to much to read

Got to dawn phenomena and closed it. That's seen mainly in diabetics so he just kinda contradicted himself , somewhat.


I'll have I go through his references but it's a bunch of **** thrown into a poorly put together interview. Too much to sift through

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Heres a new very potent gda stack

Shikonin + berberine

 

[cbsharpe]

Recompadrol + agmatine....win win!

Took this before eating pizza and afterwards I was like, "Is it time to eat?" LOL!

 

[RecompMan]

Recompadrol + agmatine....win win! Took this before eating pizza and afterwards I was like, "Is it time to eat?" LOL!

Wait till I get out glucotherm

 

[antny04]

Wait till I get out glucotherm

Okay...you've got to drop some more information about the glucotherm!

 

[cbsharpe]

Wait till I get out glucotherm

See, there ya go....gotta tease us this afternoon I see....LOL!!!

 

[RecompMan]

See, there ya go....gotta tease us this afternoon I see....LOL!!!

Waiting on a quote

 

[cbsharpe]

Waiting on a quote

Nice...can't wait to see the formula....

 

[Driven2lift]

Waiting on a quote

New EBF GDA? You have my attention.

Sounds like a burner/GDA?
Competition for Burn24 if so

 

[RecompMan]

New EBF GDA? You have my attention. Sounds like a burner/GDA? Competition for Burn24 if so

No competition . So far nothing's surpassed the original GDA.

This will be awesone

 

[Driven2lift]

No competition . So far nothing's surpassed the original GDA.

This will be awesone

I don't know if its your persuasiveness or just the effectiveness of every EBF product I have tried

But I ready know I'm in for a big order when this lands lol

 

[cbsharpe]

I don't know if its your persuasiveness or just the effectiveness of every EBF product I have tried

But I ready know I'm in for a big order when this lands lol

Yep, same here. My wallet is waiting.....

 

[The Solution]

Wait till I get out glucotherm

Aware me...