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    Been debating on whether or not to get some ArA (due to money) but I decided to go ahead and order.

    NP only had one bottle original XF left so I went ahead and got two bottles XFA.. But before ordering I noticed most people on the forums prefer the original.

    Did I miss out on something or am I good to go?

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    X-Factor Advanced is a great product. You didn't miss out. Some people calm the original is more effective but I have never found that to be true.
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    No, you're fine. Most people opt for XFA if they suffered from achy joints when using the original (XF).

    Good to go!
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    It seems that some around here believe that the Omega 3 in the Advanced version partially (or completely?) negate the benefits of ArA supplementation. I tend to agree with this line of thinking so typically go with pure ArA X-Factor OG or X-Gels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNietzsche View Post
    It seems that some around here believe that the Omega 3 in the Advanced version partially (or completely?) negate the benefits of ArA supplementation. I tend to agree with this line of thinking so typically go with pure ArA X-Factor OG or X-Gels.
    What's the reasoning behind that thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    What's the reasoning behind that thinking?
    One is anti-inflammatory, one is pro-inflammatory.

    As others have said, you're fine with XFA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post

    What's the reasoning behind that thinking?
    Its also do do with competition issues between n3's and n6's with n3's blocking metabolism of Ara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    One is anti-inflammatory, one is pro-inflammatory.

    As others have said, you're fine with XFA.
    I just dont get why they would put the Omegas in there if it was really conterproductive. I understand that ones an AI and ones a PI, but it doesnt seem to have any negative effects for me. I have taken the XFA and still took 4 grams fishoil AM/PM and experienced amazing gains.
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    you should be allright .. i would prefer XF or Xgels
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    One is anti-inflammatory, one is pro-inflammatory.

    As others have said, you're fine with XFA.
    I know that the omega 3 in fish oil is anti-inflammatory but would it really be enough to elicit an anti inflammatory response? In regards to the amount found in XFA.

    I just can't imagine it's enough omega 3 to cause a marked anti-inflammatory response.

    I think all of this is speculation and trying to deduce answers from axiomatic data (i.e, omega 3 has anti-inflammatory effects, ect..). There is no science in assuming things based on other things. And stuff.

    Thanks for the responses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    I know that the omega 3 in fish oil is anti-inflammatory but would it really be enough to elicit an anti inflammatory response? In regards to the amount found in XFA. I just can't imagine it's enough omega 3 to cause a marked anti-inflammatory response. I think all of this is speculation and trying to deduce answers from axiomatic data (i.e, omega 3 has anti-inflammatory effects, ect..). There is no science in assuming things based on other things. And stuff. Thanks for the responses
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Run the XFA and then take a break and run XF and see if you feel any difference. Everyone is different and some say they love XFA and others love XF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    I know that the omega 3 in fish oil is anti-inflammatory but would it really be enough to elicit an anti inflammatory response? In regards to the amount found in XFA.

    I just can't imagine it's enough omega 3 to cause a marked anti-inflammatory response.

    I think all of this is speculation and trying to deduce answers from axiomatic data (i.e, omega 3 has anti-inflammatory effects, ect..). There is no science in assuming things based on other things. And stuff.

    Thanks for the responses
    There's no science in competitive inhibition of fatty acids? First I'm hearing about this.

    Gains on XF, X-Gels >>> XFA, by a long shot. That's not to say I didn't make any on XFA, but ArA solo was far superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xLGx View Post
    There's no science in competitive inhibition of fatty acids? First I'm hearing about this.

    Gains on XF, X-Gels >>> XFA, by a long shot. That's not to say I didn't make any on XFA, but ArA solo was far superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xLGx View Post

    There's no science in competitive inhibition of fatty acids? First I'm hearing about this.

    Gains on XF, X-Gels >>> XFA, by a long shot. That's not to say I didn't make any on XFA, but ArA solo was far superior.
    Anecdotal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    Anecdotal.
    Omega-3s are metabolized by the same enzymes that metabolize Omega-6s. Thus, the competition between them for the same enzymes...

    Science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    Anecdotal.
    There is data around it. Plus its a well understood process; XF would be by far the best option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    Anecdotal.
    The anecdote is people claiming that they got equal gains from each. The science is the data showing that omega 3s block metabolism of ArA
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymratluke View Post
    I just dont get why they would put the Omegas in there if it was really conterproductive. I understand that ones an AI and ones a PI, but it doesnt seem to have any negative effects for me. I have taken the XFA and still took 4 grams fishoil AM/PM and experienced amazing gains.
    If you were the owner of MN and the one downside of your otherwise amazing product was the joint pain caused by inflammation, wouldn't you create another SKU (Advanced sells the consumer on less joint pain than the original, with the exact same results!) to cash in on?

    It's marketing business 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xLGx View Post
    If you were the owner of MN and the one downside of your otherwise amazing product was the joint pain caused by inflammation, wouldn't you create another SKU (Advanced sells the consumer on less joint pain than the original, with the exact same results!) to cash in on?

    It's marketing business 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    The anecdote is people claiming that they got equal gains from each. The science is the data showing that omega 3s block metabolism of ArA
    Link to study?

    You can't just throw the word 'science' out there and leave it at that lol

    If you're invoking data you've seen then link me to it. Please.
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    I get tired of bro science or people simply reading **** off of Wikipedia and spreading it around as if they did the experiments themselves.

    If people have read studies, then show it. Simple and far more helpful than assuming others just take advice at face value.
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    Yeah Coop, your word =/= scientific fact. Stop throwing around the science word and link AT LEAST 5 studies before we take this seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    I get tired of bro science or people simply reading **** off of Wikipedia and spreading it around as if they did the experiments themselves.

    If people have read studies, then show it. Simple and far more helpful than assuming others just take advice at face value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    I get tired of bro science or people simply reading **** off of Wikipedia and spreading it around as if they did the experiments themselves. If people have read studies, then show it. Simple and far more helpful than assuming others just take advice at face value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Do you not know how to search for yourself?
    LOL!!!

    Hero, I can't speak for others, but when I find studies, I don't save all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post

    Link to study?

    You can't just throw the word 'science' out there and leave it at that lol

    If you're invoking data you've seen then link me to it. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    I get tired of bro science or people simply reading **** off of Wikipedia and spreading it around as if they did the experiments themselves.

    If people have read studies, then show it. Simple and far more helpful than assuming others just take advice at face value.
    If Cooper is the spreader of bro-science or a wiki hound, then everything I've been told is a lie. Fortunately, AM has an advanced search function you can use with the keywords "Arachidonic acid AND omega 3" with the user as Mr.cooper69 or other such word combinations. "Ara AND omega 3" might return interesting info as well.

    MN has og XF which is a great product. Unfortunately their incorporation of fish oil (which one could purchase independently anyway) into XFA is means that the products potential is hindered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    id rather have x gels anyday
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    Lol.... if both is at 250mgs/40% then whats the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    Lol.... if both is at 250mgs/40% then whats the difference?
    I'm guessing they meant XF/X-Gels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    I'm guessing they meant XF/X-Gels.
    Gotcha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    Link to study? You can't just throw the word 'science' out there and leave it at that lolIf you're invoking data you've seen then link me to it. Please.
    You know I ALWAYS link data. In this case, this isn't something you find in a study, though I'm sure you can. It's rudimentary biochem/physiology that you learn in schooling...I'm sure if you get a biochem textbook you can read a chapter on fatty acid cell signaling related to this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type O Hero View Post
    I get tired of bro science or people simply reading **** off of Wikipedia and spreading it around as if they did the experiments themselves.

    If people have read studies, then show it. Simple and far more helpful than assuming others just take advice at face value.
    I hope this isn't directed towards me. If you know a single member on this forum who has posted more scientific literature than me, please tell me who. This isn't me bragging, but if this is intended to call me out, perhaps you should check my post history first.

    I'm currently taking the hardest pre clinical course in med school so my time and energy is at an all time low. I'd encourage you to do the research yourself first and then contact me if there are questions that you can't find an answer for
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    There are unlikely to be ARA studies with this exact scenario it is still an emerging supplement gaining popularity.

    Again what has been said thus far is true.

    The whole basis of ARA's effectiveness is around the fact that it enhances the inflammation induced during exercise

    The basis of Omega3's is exactly the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Do you not know how to search for yourself?
    When someone way more knowledgeable states something new and different from what I know, this is the first thing I do.
    Much better than looking like a dumbass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I hope this isn't directed towards me. If you know a single member on this forum who has posted more scientific literature than me, please tell me who. This isn't me bragging, but if this is intended to call me out, perhaps you should check my post history first.

    I'm currently taking the hardest pre clinical course in med school so my time and energy is at an all time low. I'd encourage you to do the research yourself first and then contact me if there are questions that you can't find an answer for
    Sheeeet coop, you an I both know its easier to talk crap an ask to be spoon fed than to put the time into finding AND reading data based research.
    C'mon man, all that studying has got you Cray Cray.
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    To answer the question in the title, I'd say yes, you should have.
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