11oxo vs x-gels which is better for burning belly fat?

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    11oxo vs x-gels which is better for burning belly fat?


    along with a good diet and hard turning which would help more

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    one is anabolic and other is natural
    one requires support sups and pct other doesnt

    11oxo heavy dose (like 6-10caps/day) will be nice fat burner

    xgels with good diet at 4-6days pre workout will do the same trick

    all depends on if your looking to run a ph/roid cycle or wanna stay natty
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    11-oxo. X-gels shouldn't really affect fat loss
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    Quote Originally Posted by GQNemesis View Post
    one is anabolic and other is natural
    one requires support sups and pct other doesnt

    11oxo heavy dose (like 6-10caps/day) will be nice fat burner

    xgels with good diet at 4-6days pre workout will do the same trick

    all depends on if your looking to run a ph/roid cycle or wanna stay natty
    I dunno. Would it? With same diet?

    Apples and oranges here.
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    Neither will directly burn belly fat...
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    11 oxo

    I'd go topical 11 keto though over pills
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    I would go with x factor. If I am going to use an anabolic, might as well use a stronger one IMO.
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    I would stack em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    I would stack em.
    If funds allowed, this would be awesome. Or start ArA half way through the 11 oxo and run it through PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    I would stack em.
    Would be awesome but my joints would be feeling it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    I would go with x factor. If I am going to use an anabolic, might as well use a stronger one IMO.
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    I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xR1pp3Rx View Post
    I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
    Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

    I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xR1pp3Rx View Post
    I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
    Even then id rather stay natural and use reduce xt
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    I would go with x factor. If I am going to use an anabolic, might as well use a stronger one IMO.
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    11 Oxo without a doubt
    It's comparing a rocket launcher to a little pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

    I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
    May be from brown fat cell formation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xR1pp3Rx View Post
    I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
    I think it acts as a mild diuretic as well but this is only conjecture on my part due to personal experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

    I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
    BC it will be more noticeable with forskolin. Alone you won't see much from my experience.

    It's more of a weight gainer/recomp
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

    I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    May be from brown fat cell formation.
    No no
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No no
    It was just a hypothesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No no
    Explain explain please. Or are the anecdotal feedback for ArA having leaning effects placebo? Am curious on this purported aspect of ArA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Explain explain please. Or are the anecdotal feedback for ArA having leaning effects placebo? Am curious on this purported aspect of ArA.
    ArA has minimal leaning effect honestly. There's some in vitro data, but the bottom line is that ARA is a precursor to tons of different signaling pathways. Supplementation should theoretically amplify whatever you​ are inducing
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    ArA has minimal leaning effect honestly. There's some in vitro data, but the bottom line is that ARA is a precursor to tons of different signaling pathways. Supplementation should theoretically amplify whatever you are inducing
    Stacking it with forsk would give the lean effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    ArA has minimal leaning effect honestly. There's some in vitro data, but the bottom line is that ARA is a precursor to tons of different signaling pathways. Supplementation should theoretically amplify whatever you​ are inducing
    I see I see. Good info!
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