Yohimbine hcl + cardio

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    Just take less yohimbine. Constantly taking more pills to stop side effects from other pills is insane.


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  2. Quote Originally Posted by bigbruiser739 View Post
    IMO Spreading the dose is ineffective even if your carb free all day. It's a mobilizer, you can make all the fat cells readily available that you want, but it's going to need a level of intensity to oxidize. So unless you work a high labor job it's not going go to do much to take throughout the day.

    It also builds a tolerance quickly, that's why it's better to start small and then build up to your highest dose.

    If you can handle a high heart rate and the possibility of shortness of breathe, doing HIIT is possible. The purpose of doing a shorter HIIT sesh followed by 30 mins of LISS is that the HIIT will increase blood flow, increase mobilization so when you do the bout of LISS oxidation can occur at a higher rate.
    No, oxidation is occurring round the clock. yohimbine will work fasted, period. There is simply MORE oxidation occurring during cardio, hence that being the best time
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bigbruiser739 View Post
    Also... Most yohimbine in fat burners is either yohimbe or an extract which are pointless.

    Yohimbine HCI Is what you want it's the pure dose of the active ingredient found IN yohimbe bark. Products with yohimbe or any other derivative are usually dosed as high as 500mg, but that's the whole bark, it is impossible to know how much actual Yohimnbine HCI is actually active.
    Not as pointless as you think if you understand the science behind the plant. There are several lipolytic alkaloids, and many of them are actually superior to yohmbine for fat loss (lower affinity for a2 [yohimbine has the highest], but much MUCH higher halflife [yohimbine's is short; some of these have a longer halflife than caffeine])

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Not as pointless as you think if you understand the science behind the plant. There are several lipolytic alkaloids, and many of them are actually superior to yohmbine for fat loss (lower affinity for a2 [yohimbine has the highest], but much MUCH higher halflife [yohimbine's is short; some of these have a longer halflife than caffeine])
    Does the longer half life mean you would need to dose it further away from HIIT if u want to minimize the breathing/HR issues?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Not as pointless as you think if you understand the science behind the plant. There are several lipolytic alkaloids, and many of them are actually superior to yohmbine for fat loss (lower affinity for a2 [yohimbine has the highest], but much MUCH higher halflife [yohimbine's is short; some of these have a longer halflife than caffeine])
    Pointless was a poor choice of words.... But those alkaloids are also the bigger culprit for side effects. And it still makes near impossible for the average consumer to differentiate between products how much of what is in the bark. Call me bias, but I follow what Lyle recommends.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No, oxidation is occurring round the clock. yohimbine will work fasted, period. There is simply MORE oxidation occurring during cardio, hence that being the best time
    Thanks coop making that clearer. I wasn't trying to say oxidation only occurs during cardio, but saying what's optimal. Most people don't live extremely active outside of the gym. And aren't fasted around the clock. Taking yohimbine during the day regardless of fasted or not may aide in fat burning but will be minimal compared to its effect in a fasted cardio sesh. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I'll leave this thread lol. Taking all day everyday will only lead to a tolerance and little overall effect.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    Just take less yohimbine. Constantly taking more pills to stop side effects from other pills is insane.
    Love this right here.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Does the longer half life mean you would need to dose it further away from HIIT if u want to minimize the breathing/HR issues?
    No, the kick-in time is the same

  9. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    Just take less yohimbine. Constantly taking more pills to stop side effects from other pills is insane.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Love this right here.
    In all fairness, YCA is the commonly used stack. I wasnt asking "is there something, anything, I can take to negate the effects on breathing"

    I wanted to clarify if the aspirin was meant to help with this, BP, etc. since it is part of the usual stack.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bigbruiser739 View Post
    Pointless was a poor choice of words.... But those alkaloids are also the bigger culprit for side effects. And it still makes near impossible for the average consumer to differentiate between products how much of what is in the bark. Call me bias, but I follow what Lyle recommends.
    Again, it depends on the extract. The alkaloids that cause the nasty sides (chills, etc) are NOT the same as the yohimbinoids. Yohimbinoids create anxiety and such in prone users, but that applies to the whole class, including yohimbine. No two extracts are the same. Two that I know standardize for yohimbinoids are our products (obviously I know this one lol) and muscletech (from talking to a lead rep). The issues arise with things like "8% yohimbe bark extracts," which are typically sold by ingredient suppliers as the extract of choice. These are typically loaded with sides.

    Also, Lyle is a great source on many things, but I've read his work on yohimbine, and many of his posts, especially those posted on his forum, are blatantly incorrect. He's a great source for nutrition/training. Biochemistry, not so much

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bigbruiser739 View Post
    Thanks coop making that clearer. I wasn't trying to say oxidation only occurs during cardio, but saying what's optimal. Most people don't live extremely active outside of the gym. And aren't fasted around the clock. Taking yohimbine during the day regardless of fasted or not may aide in fat burning but will be minimal compared to its effect in a fasted cardio sesh. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I'll leave this thread lol. Taking all day everyday will only lead to a tolerance and little overall effect.
    I agree with this. Don't leave the thread though, you've offered good input

  12. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    In all fairness, YCA is the commonly used stack. I wasnt asking "is there something, anything, I can take to negate the effects on breathing"

    I wanted to clarify if the aspirin was meant to help with this, BP, etc. since it is part of the usual stack.
    My comment wasnt directed at you. I just liked what he said lol.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I read this somewhere too. I was actually thinking of utilizing an interval of 30 seconds max output followed by 4 minutes rest for 6 rounds for one of my cardio days. It's like LISS with HIIT mixed it. Should be great with YC

    Can anyone chime in on if adding aspirin will help with the shortness of breath?
    The SOB is due to an increase in total peripheral resistance. Aspirin will only weakly help. You can try nitrates

  14. and so cooper has spoken.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    The SOB is due to an increase in total peripheral resistance. Aspirin will only weakly help. You can try nitrates
    I have condense

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Again, it depends on the extract. The alkaloids that cause the nasty sides (chills, etc) are NOT the same as the yohimbinoids. Yohimbinoids create anxiety and such in prone users, but that applies to the whole class, including yohimbine. No two extracts are the same. Two that I know standardize for yohimbinoids are our products (obviously I know this one lol) and muscletech (from talking to a lead rep). The issues arise with things like "8% yohimbe bark extracts," which are typically sold by ingredient suppliers as the extract of choice. These are typically loaded with sides.

    Also, Lyle is a great source on many things, but I've read his work on yohimbine, and many of his posts, especially those posted on his forum, are blatantly incorrect. He's a great source for nutrition/training. Biochemistry, not so much
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    HOW DARE YOU!. The Solution is gonna be PISSED!
    I'm a big fan of Lyle's work and when he said that, I felt like he was telling me his father was tougher then my own. Fight words. haha, kidding. I always enjoy learning more and Coop is a great source to correct some of my misinformation.
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