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    Hey guys, I really need your help to arrange my next cycles with the supps I've on hand.

    Here is what I got on the shelf:

    4x Anabeta Elite (old formula)
    2x OG Erase
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    250g Bulk DAA

    My idea for some lean bulking:

    1st Cycle
    Weeks 1 - 4: Anabeta Elite
    Weeks 4 - 8: Anabeta Elite + Alpha T2

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    Weeks 1 - 4: OG Erase + DAA
    Weeks 4 - 8: OG Erase + DAA + Alpha T2

    Please express your criticism or suggestions for improvement since this is just the first setup which crossed my mind and the only supp I've already tried of those I mentioned is ABE

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    Alpha T-2 is great, but not really necessary when trying to increase weight. Have you looked into X-Gels at all? X-Gels + Anabeta Elite seems to be a favorite of many for LBM gains.
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    I would save the AT2 for another time (recomp or cut). The will help keep you tight and lean during the bulk along with ABE.

    I would go with ABE + Erase + DAA for 8 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Alpha T-2 is great, but not really necessary when trying to increase weight. Have you looked into X-Gels at all? X-Gels + Anabeta Elite seems to be a favorite of many for LBM gains.
    thanks for your input. unfortunately x-gels are off the cards from my current financial point of view. Definitely gonna try them at some point though.

    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    I would save the AT2 for another time (recomp or cut). The will help keep you tight and lean during the bulk along with ABE.

    I would go with ABE + Erase + DAA for 8 weeks.
    ALL-IN bro! I guess my body would go berserk, that's for sure lol [HULK MODE = ON]

    What supp would you suggest in combination with A-T2 for the recomp/cut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    thanks for your input. unfortunately x-gels are off the cards from my current financial point of view. Definitely gonna try them at some point though. ALL-IN bro! I guess my body would go berserk, that's for sure lol [HULK MODE = ON] What supp would you suggest in combination with A-T2 for the recomp/cut?
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    You could pick up some xfactor or xfactor advanced. It's ara same as x gels and under $30/bottle
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    You could pick up some xfactor or xfactor advanced. It's ara same as x gels and under $30/bottle
    Ditto. I hit that for 2 each of XFA and ALCAR-500.
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    Not bashing alpha-t2 I loved the og never tried new one but as others have said I'm not sure about using it in a bulk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Not bashing alpha-t2 I loved the og never tried new one but as others have said I'm not sure about using it in a bulk?
    Using a burner on a bulk is a waste IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    Using a burner on a bulk is a waste IMO.
    Actually, I used aav2 and alpha t2 on a lean bulk and literally gained no fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    Actually, I used aav2 and alpha t2 on a lean bulk and literally gained no fat.
    That's gotta be a heck of a slow bulk tho. I don't think most people have the patience to do it correctly. I'm sure it can be done, just had to be rifht
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    That's gotta be a heck of a slow bulk tho. I don't think most people have the patience to do it correctly. I'm sure it can be done, just had to be rifht
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post

    Actually, I used aav2 and alpha t2 on a lean bulk and literally gained no fat.
    How much if a calorie excess were you in? I'd venture a guess to be ~100kcals per day over
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    You could pick up some xfactor or xfactor advanced. It's ara same as x gels and under $30/bottle
    I wished this was true bro. In Europe the price for the ordinary X-Factor is a whopping $72.00 (43.99) - have a look at PredatorNutrition or PowerMyself. That's ridiculous.


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    Not bashing alpha-t2 I loved the og never tried new one but as others have said I'm not sure about using it in a bulk?
    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Using a burner on a bulk is a waste IMO.
    I'm using the intermittent fasting approach (up to 15-16 hours), so during the first half of the day I'm just drinking coffee/caffeine which would obviously synergize with the yohimbine in Alpha-T2. Would it still make little sense in your opinion if I used it this way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    How much if a calorie excess were you in? I'd venture a guess to be ~100kcals per day over
    Correct. 125-150 max. Put on 2kg no change in bodyfat
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    I wished this was true bro. In Europe the price for the ordinary X-Factor is a whopping $72.00 (43.99) - have a look at PredatorNutrition or PowerMyself. That's ridiculous. I'm using the intermittent fasting approach (up to 15-16 hours), so during the first half of the day I'm just drinking coffee/caffeine which would obviously synergize with the yohimbine in Alpha-T2. Would it still make little sense in your opinion if I used it this way?
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    Even if doing IF the point of a bulk is to eat at a calorie surplus to gain. If you burn cals all day, then still eat too many at night (your window) you'll still be wasting it. If you do want to gain zero fat I would think IF seems to make the most sense tho. EBF inc found some interesting research that seemed to concluded that your body burns 20% more calories just by switching timing to 1-2meals/day so if you like that idea, I'd take the burner all day, eat at a VERY slight surplus at night, and get ready for very slow gains. Maybe .5lb/month or less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
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    Even if doing IF the point of a bulk is to eat at a calorie surplus to gain. If you burn cals all day, then still eat too many at night (your window) you'll still be wasting it. If you do want to gain zero fat I would think IF seems to make the most sense tho. EBF inc found some interesting research that seemed to concluded that your body burns 20% more calories just by switching timing to 1-2meals/day so if you like that idea, I'd take the burner all day, eat at a VERY slight surplus at night, and get ready for very slow gains. Maybe .5lb/month or less.
    all right man, thanks for the info, I'll save AT2 for later then. Any idea whether ABE can already help with prolactine & estrogen levels when using DAA, or is the addition of an AI like Erase absolutely necessary in this case?
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    I'm currently lean bulking right now and I've tried all of the products below (although seperately, not together) and have noticed great effects. You should try it too:

    Anabeta
    Forskolin 95
    X-Gels

    You can use Anabeta Elite (old version) and use less Forskolin 95 since it already has Forskolin in it. You can also choose to stack X-Gels/X-factor with ALCAR and GMS, although it's good standalone. This stuff is the real deal and probably the most effective supplements I've ever tried. If you end up using Erase, you may feel it in your joints depending on how high you dose ArA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    all right man, thanks for the info, I'll save AT2 for later then. Any idea whether ABE can already help with prolactine & estrogen levels when using DAA, or is the addition of an AI like Erase absolutely necessary in this case?
    Not 100% sure but I don't think ABE would help either of those; however, I also highly doubt DAA would be effective enough to cause any estro related problems. And def no prolactin ones. You can always run erase at a low does just to feel dl safe but unless you're extremely sensitive to DAA you should be fine with or without
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    Quote Originally Posted by ma70 View Post
    You can use Anabeta Elite (old version) and use less Forskolin 95 since it already has Forskolin in it. You can also choose to stack X-Gels/X-factor with ALCAR and GMS, although it's good standalone. This stuff is the real deal and probably the most effective supplements I've ever tried. If you end up using Erase, you may feel it in your joints depending on how high you dose ArA.
    thanks for sharing your experience bro. I'm definitely going to save some bucks in order to get ArA. What about the additional DOMS you get from it? I'm quite concerned about that, cause my current muscle hangovers are already massive. Might be due to the high-intensity training protocol I'm using with lots of super-sets and short resting times between sets. That's why I normally train just every other day


    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Not 100% sure but I don't think ABE would help either of those; however, I also highly doubt DAA would be effective enough to cause any estro related problems. And def no prolactin ones. You can always run erase at a low does just to feel dl safe but unless you're extremely sensitive to DAA you should be fine with or without
    sounds good to me. Would it be okay to run ERASE (og) / DAA / AT2 at a later time for a cut, or is DAA more suitable for bulking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    thanks for sharing your experience bro. I'm definitely going to save some bucks in order to get ArA. What about the additional DOMS you get from it? I'm quite concerned about that, cause my current muscle hangovers are already massive. Might be due to the high-intensity training protocol I'm using with lots of super-sets and short resting times between sets. That's why I normally train just every other day



    sounds good to me. Would it be okay to run ERASE (og) / DAA / AT2 at a later time for a cut, or is DAA more suitable for bulking?
    Personally, I do not get additional DOMS even though I sort of "mega-dose" ArA. There are some people who report that they do...so everyone is different. All I could recommend is starting at the dose that everyone recommends (1g). I also do a strength training routine, so I do not have too much volume (unless you count assistance exercises, which aren't really anywhere near maximum intensity since I focus on the heavy compound lifts).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post

    thanks for sharing your experience bro. I'm definitely going to save some bucks in order to get ArA. What about the additional DOMS you get from it? I'm quite concerned about that, cause my current muscle hangovers are already massive. Might be due to the high-intensity training protocol I'm using with lots of super-sets and short resting times between sets. That's why I normally train just every other day
    I train antagonist muscle groups with super sets as well. Your volume must be insane if you're getting "massive" DOMS. Any chance you may be doing too many sets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ma70 View Post
    Personally, I do not get additional DOMS even though I sort of "mega-dose" ArA. There are some people who report that they do...so everyone is different. All I could recommend is starting at the dose that everyone recommends (1g). I also do a strength training routine, so I do not have too much volume (unless you count assistance exercises, which aren't really anywhere near maximum intensity since I focus on the heavy compound lifts).
    Quote Originally Posted by mountainman33 View Post
    I train antagonist muscle groups with super sets as well. Your volume must be insane if you're getting "massive" DOMS. Any chance you may be doing too many sets?
    TBH I don't know guys. The strange thing is that I usually keep the maximum length of workouts to 60-70 minutes or so. I do 24 sets (3x excercise that is) on average, or 12 super-sets, depending on how many people are "stealing" my bench/machines lol. However, I'm going to add some ZMA to my supps as it is said to improve recovery.
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    I did some research and found several topics about cycling DAA / Erase / ABE. Quite a few users claimed it would be ideal to run the "hormonals" first, then adding ABE.

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    Weeks 3, 4, 5 		DAA / Erase
    Week 6			Erase
    Weeks 7, 8, 9, 10	Anabeta Elite
    So in total I would be running DAA for 5 weeks; Erase for 4 weeks; ABE for 4 weeks. What's your opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

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    Even if doing IF the point of a bulk is to eat at a calorie surplus to gain. If you burn cals all day, then still eat too many at night (your window) you'll still be wasting it. If you do want to gain zero fat I would think IF seems to make the most sense tho. EBF inc found some interesting research that seemed to concluded that your body burns 20% more calories just by switching timing to 1-2meals/day so if you like that idea, I'd take the burner all day, eat at a VERY slight surplus at night, and get ready for very slow gains. Maybe .5lb/month or less.
    I'd be very interested to see that study and how it was conducted
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    What's your opinion about my plan?

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    Week 6			Erase
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    Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    Anyone?
    Looks like a good plan to me. You might even think about moving the Erase back a week and putting an overlap of 2 weeks on the DAA and 2 weeks on the ABE
    1-2 DAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Looks like a good plan to me. You might even think about moving the Erase back a week and putting an overlap of 2 weeks on the DAA and 2 weeks on the ABE
    1-2 DAA
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    thanks a lot man! In this case I would be reducing the cycle by 2 weeks, which could be a bit more gentle to my body and would not really mess with my hormones (I'm 24)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    thanks a lot man! In this case I would be reducing the cycle by 2 weeks, which could be a bit more gentle to my body and would not really mess with my hormones (I'm 24)
    None of these compounds are gonna "mess with your hormones" they're all natural. Don't confuse "hormonal" type products with actual hormones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    None of these compounds are gonna "mess with your hormones" they're all natural. Don't confuse "hormonal" type products with actual hormones.
    oh well that's reassuring, although I heard some people claim they had gyno due to DAA, which actually should never be happening I guess (?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    oh well that's reassuring, although I heard some people claim they had gyno due to DAA, which actually should never be happening I guess (?)
    If it is, chances are that they were A) very gyno prone to begin with (aka had it from puberty already) and B) It was just as likely due to some other factor as the DAA. The evidence that does exist for DAA raising test is mostly anecdotal at best. Theres just as many legit studies that say it does nothing as there are that say it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    If it is, chances are that they were A) very gyno prone to begin with (aka had it from puberty already) and B) It was just as likely due to some other factor as the DAA. The evidence that does exist for DAA raising test is mostly anecdotal at best. Theres just as many legit studies that say it does nothing as there are that say it does.
    I'll keep you updated as soon as positive results (hopefully) kick in. Otherwise, well, 26 euro are still bearable
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    You could pick up some xfactor or xfactor advanced. It's ara same as x gels and under $30/bottle
    Where are you finding it for under $30/bottle? Everywhere I look its more like $45-$50
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    oh well that's reassuring, although I heard some people claim they had gyno due to DAA, which actually should never be happening I guess (?)
    Can cause gyno but chances are rare at best.
    DAA can increase test but won't cause shutdown so you'll be ok as far as recovering from the stack gies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_88 View Post
    Where are you finding it for under $30/bottle? Everywhere I look its more like $45-$50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad_88 View Post
    Where are you finding it for under $30/bottle? Everywhere I look its more like $45-$50
    It was $29.95 on NP for the entire month of January. price just went up but theres still some other places you can find both xgels and xfa for under $35/100ct

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    I wished this was true bro. In Europe the price for the ordinary X-Factor is a whopping $72.00 (43.99) - have a look at PredatorNutrition or PowerMyself. That's ridiculous.




    I'm using the intermittent fasting approach (up to 15-16 hours), so during the first half of the day I'm just drinking coffee/caffeine which would obviously synergize with the yohimbine in Alpha-T2. Would it still make little sense in your opinion if I used it this way?
    I'm european also but some things I order from the US exactly because it's much cheaper (uk sites always charge 20% vat tax...it's not their fault)
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Looks like a good plan to me. You might even think about moving the Erase back a week and putting an overlap of 2 weeks on the DAA and 2 weeks on the ABE
    1-2 DAA
    3-4 DAA/Erase
    5-6 Erase/ABE
    7-8 ABE
    since I rewarded myself with some additional bottles Erase and ABE I'm considering extending the length of my cycle. Would the following be a good scheme in your opinion?

    1-2 DAA
    3-4 DAA / Erase
    5-6 Erase /ABE
    7-8 Erase / ABE
    9-10 ABE

    I could run this cycle twice as I've got 3x ABE / 3x Erase and this layout would require one and half bottles each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    since I rewarded myself with some additional bottles Erase and ABE I'm considering extending the length of my cycle. Would the following be a good scheme in your opinion? 1-2 DAA 3-4 DAA / Erase 5-6 Erase /ABE 7-8 Erase / ABE 9-10 ABE I could run this cycle twice as I've got 3x ABE / 3x Erase and this layout would require one and half bottles each.
    That would work. I prefer 8 weeks on ten, but with 3 bottles splitting it into 2 6-week cycles should be a solid decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    That would work. I prefer 8 weeks on ten, but with 3 bottles splitting it into 2 6-week cycles should be a solid decision.
    thanks man, appreciate your help
  

  
 

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