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    Low carbers - Any of you on a GDA?


    Any LONG TIME low carbers switch to a moderate to high level carb intake regimen and remain lean by/with using a GDA or insulin mimicking or sensitizing agent?

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    Yes. I use AP/Recompodrol religiously.

    Did an entire prep low carb then transitioned to moderate carb with the above mentioned (and ALA) and things went great. Added some size and came in leaner 10 weeks later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Yes. I use AP/Recompodrol religiously.

    Did an entire prep low carb then transitioned to moderate carb with the above mentioned (and ALA) and things went great. Added some size and came in leaner 10 weeks later.
    This.. I increased my carbs with anabolic pump in a contest prep.

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    Thanks peeps

    I wonder of one couild employ this strategy indefintely with similarly appreciated..dare I say "advantageous" results comparatively.

    Other than my cheat meals, which I get in consistently (sometimes going hog wild on LOL).... any time I have remained on even a low-moderate carb intake consistently? EPIC FAIL
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    I believe theres a possibility its advantageous. I find the use of GDAs during keto dieting is a must if you want the fastest results. that being said I am looking forward to a future iForce entry into this niche market. currently my favorite is OG slin sane. but there are several good ones like recompadrol and burn 24 to name a couple off the top of my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    This.. I increased my carbs with anabolic pump in a contest prep.

    Mike
    Worked great on your peak week as well for the pittsburgh, coming in your tightest and leanest yet mike.
    Looks like we will use the same strategy we used for the pittsburgh seeing it worked very well for you with the small changes we made in the last 36 hours when i came down

    Cant wait to see you on stage again.
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    What's the date of the Berg comp?

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    Worked great on your peak week as well for the pittsburgh, coming in your tightest and leanest yet mike. Looks like we will use the same strategy we used for the pittsburgh seeing it worked very well for you with the small changes we made in the last 36 hours when i came down Cant wait to see you on stage again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    What's the date of the Berg comp?
    Always in May
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    Might have to go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Might have to go!
    Im there every year.
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    Will holla at ya if I go

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    Will holla at ya if I go
    Sounds great, would be great to meet you!
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    Back at ya

    Mike too

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    Sounds great, would be great to meet you!
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    I need a quick schooling on these type of supps.

    Are any if these geared towards simple carbs or complex only?

    Which in this group are designed to be taken with meals (b/c 30-60 minutes pre-meal is one more thing my old azz has to remember and as such spells FAIL - pain in the butt)?

    Can any of these supps be taken year-round (or do they need to be cycled to remain efficacious)?

    Has it been "proven" yet that these type of supps drive the glucose into muscle cells vs fat cells? I recall a long detailed thread where no conclusion had been reached at the time. If all these supps do is clear the glucose out of the bloodstream quicker (w/ no directed preference to muscle cells and away from fat cells) then what's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    I need a quick schooling on these type of supps.

    Are any if these geared towards simple carbs or complex only?

    Which in this group are designed to be taken with meals (b/c 30-60 minutes pre-meal is one more thing my old azz has to remember and as such spells FAIL - pain in the butt)?

    Can any of these supps be taken year-round (or do they need to be cycled to remain efficacious)?

    Has it been "proven" yet that these type of supps drive the glucose into muscle cells vs fat cells? I recall a long detailed thread where no conclusion had been reached at the time. If all these supps do is clear the glucose out of the bloodstream quicker (w/ no directed preference to muscle cells and away from fat cells) then what's the point?
    Cycle the product
    Does not matter carb source, the amount of carbs is what matters
    take 15-30 minutes prior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    I need a quick schooling on these type of supps.

    Are any if these geared towards simple carbs or complex only?

    Which in this group are designed to be taken with meals (b/c 30-60 minutes pre-meal is one more thing my old azz has to remember and as such spells FAIL - pain in the butt)?

    Can any of these supps be taken year-round (or do they need to be cycled to remain efficacious)?

    Has it been "proven" yet that these type of supps drive the glucose into muscle cells vs fat cells? I recall a long detailed thread where no conclusion had been reached at the time. If all these supps do is clear the glucose out of the bloodstream quicker (w/ no directed preference to muscle cells and away from fat cells) then what's the point?
    Proven;

    No

    Here's the educated guess/possible ways it may be selective

    Reduction of PPARy : key lipogenic receptor
    Reduction of SREB1: also similar to the above. These are the first few steps
    Increases PPARa: uptake into liver and muscle with increases in UCP and fatty acid oxidation
    Reduction of FAS: another way we prevent fat gain and accumulation of lipids in the adipocytes

    So as you see, selective? Not exactly, but more so when you combine the mechanisms above
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Proven;

    No

    Here's the educated guess/possible ways it may be selective

    Reduction of PPARy : key lipogenic receptor
    Reduction of SREB1: also similar to the above. These are the first few steps
    Increases PPARa: uptake into liver and muscle with increases in UCP and fatty acid oxidation
    Reduction of FAS: another way we prevent fat gain and accumulation of lipids in the adipocytes

    So as you see, selective? Not exactly, but more so when you combine the mechanisms above
    This isn't quite as catchy as taglines like "product X force feeds your muscles with carbs" lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    This isn't quite as catchy as taglines like "product X force feeds your muscles with carbs" lol.
    I have found 2 ingredients tho that work pretty much as selective as it can be
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    I have found 2 ingredients tho that work pretty much as selective as it can be
    Always so secretive mentioning new ingredients you've found or are trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post

    Always so secretive mentioning new ingredients you've found or are trying.
    Small company, not a lot if money gotta keep some things to myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I have found 2 ingredients tho that work pretty much as selective as it can be
    Will we see them in future EBF products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyjd View Post

    Will we see them in future EBF products?
    I sincerely hope so man
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    Small company, not a lot if money gotta keep some things to myself
    No I agree, I try to follow along and read your posts around here
    I like that you try everything out yourself when formulating, EBF is a brand I believe in and use.
    GDA and nutrient-uptake effecting supplements are very interesting, and an EBF specialty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post

    No I agree, I try to follow along and read your posts around here
    I like that you try everything out yourself when formulating, EBF is a brand I believe in and use.
    GDA and nutrient-uptake effecting supplements are very interesting, and an EBF specialty.
    Thanks man I take pride in my research and how about things


    Problem is I look at science to much and not necessarily what's "mainstream" and will sell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    No I agree, I try to follow along and read your posts around here
    I like that you try everything out yourself when formulating, EBF is a brand I believe in and use.
    GDA and nutrient-uptake effecting supplements are very interesting, and an EBF specialty.
    Quoted for truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myke17 View Post
    Quoted for truth! Reading through these forums you get to know which people have the knowledge worth listening to. EBF is right up there.
    Agreed as well. Which is why I'm running a nice EBF stack (MP/recomp/AAv2 plus some alphamine) and logging it totally unsponsored. People need to know so Zach can do more research and come out with more great products. I've had great results at 4+ weeks and just got more stuff to keep it going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Agreed as well. Which is why I'm running a nice EBF stack (MP/recomp/AAv2 plus some alphamine) and logging it totally unsponsored. People need to know so Zach can do more research and come out with more great products. I've had great results at 4+ weeks and just got more stuff to keep it going.
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    Glad you are enjoying pur products man
    We're all looking forward to more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    We're all looking forward to more. MP + Recompadrol are always in my stash
    For sure. Following Zachs log he hints at so many great possibilities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myke17 View Post

    Quoted for truth!

    Reading through these forums you get to know which people have the knowledge worth listening to. EBF is right up there.
    Thank you man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    For sure. Following Zachs log he hints at so many great possibilities
    I legit research a minimum of 30 hours a week on various topics

    This week is DHA

    Interesting stuff there
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I legit research a minimum of 30 hours a week on various topics This week is DHA Interesting stuff there
    This is exactly why people trust your opinion and formulations ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I legit research a minimum of 30 hours a week on various topics

    This week is DHA

    Interesting stuff there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyjd View Post

    EBF's Corner #1 DHA what is it good for?
    Ill post the name if the study;

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
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    Thank you man! Really appreciate it! We all feel the same towards you man.
    I agree with both of ya. Now can we get past this love-fest and back on topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post

    I agree with both of ya. Now can we get past this love-fest and back on topic?

    Lol
    Bromance! Lmao

    Did you read my response @Whacked
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    I did I did

    Thank u sir

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