Higher ArA dosage, or ArA stack?

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  1. Higher ArA dosage, or ArA stack?


    Few months ago I ran x-gels for 50 days. I started at 1g a day and went up to 1.5g. Do y'all think it would be more beneficial, from a recomp standpoint, to up the dosage to 2g a day or stack it with gms and alcar?


  2. It'd be more beneficial to add the GMS and Carnitine IMO.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    It'd be more beneficial to add the GMS and Carnitine IMO.
    This is my thought as well. I would stick to 1 g per workout.
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  4. Okay cool. What should I dose those at?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bmoore View Post
    Okay cool. What should I dose those at?
    Carnitine at 2g, GMS at 3g.
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  6. Awesome, thanks y'all!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Carnitine at 2g, GMS at 3g.
    Quick question. I have seen the GMS listed at 6g before. That seemed high to me, and could possibly cause stomach problems, correct?

    If so, I'm going to go with the 3g. Thanks for the info!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post

    Quick question. I have seen the GMS listed at 6g before. That seemed high to me, and could possibly cause stomach problems, correct?

    If so, I'm going to go with the 3g. Thanks for the info!
    Go with a 5-lpo inhibitor and hca for the next time you use it with GMS and carnitine.

    Muscular uptake and amount of ara In the stem would be high,

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Go with a 5-lpo inhibitor and hca for the next time you use it with GMS and carnitine. Muscular uptake and amount of ara In the stem would be high,
    Metabolic powder pre with ArA? The MP recommended dose good?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Metabolic powder pre with ArA? The MP recommended dose good?
    Should be ok

  11. I've always taken ArA at 2g since that's what Neuron recommended a long while ago, and it has worked out best for me.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    I've always taken ArA at 2g since that's what Neuron recommended a long while ago, and it has worked out best for me.
    That's pricey lol.

    But what's the difference noted? Or overall effects vs 1-1.5g

  13. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    I've always taken ArA at 2g since that's what Neuron recommended a long while ago, and it has worked out best for me.
    Do you have where he posted it? I'm guessing somewhere in the giant Maximizing ArA thread.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Do you have where he posted it? I'm guessing somewhere in the giant Maximizing ArA thread.
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post393053291

    Among other places
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Off topic question: What are your thoughts on taking ArA + carbs (~30g) + leucine first thing in the AM and lifting shortly after? Will that transient increase in insulin shift the likelihood of ArA being delivered to skeletal muscle?
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  16. I think I read somewhere in that thread that insulin + ArA = ArA not delivered to skeletal muscle. Is that correct?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post
    I think I read somewhere in that thread that insulin + ArA = ArA not delivered to skeletal muscle. Is that correct?
    I'm talking taking it in a preworkout setting along with carbs + leucine though.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    I'm talking taking it in a preworkout setting along with carbs + leucine though.
    In for reply. I believe someone had told me not to worry about it too much, but no CHO amounts were given.

    Anecdotally I have done ArA + GMS + LCLT pre and up to 50g of CHO during a session with some very positive results.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post
    I think I read somewhere in that thread that insulin + ArA = ArA not delivered to skeletal muscle. Is that correct?
    I dont think so. But I'd have to look into it

  20. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    I'm talking taking it in a preworkout setting along with carbs + leucine though.
    True, working out would cease insulin production, right?

  21. I have also read that taking Baby aspirin can help with the effects of ArA. Just one 81mg tablet per day.

    I think you are supposed to start taking the aspirin before starting the ArA by 10 days, then continue to take it during your run.

    Edit: Found it!! This is from another forum.

    "Quoting Coop, yet again.

    Re-read the benefits of aspirin mentioned ITT:


    1. Blockade of TxA2 formation = vasodilation -> performance enhancement
    2. Increased availability of ArA for non-thrombotic endpoints
    3. Stimulation of AMPK and overall health benefits

    Are the effects of 81mg aspirin significant when it comes to ArA metabolism? Absolutely. You and I both know it's one of the most well-studied drugs in existence"

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post
    I have also read that taking Baby aspirin can help with the effects of ArA. Just one 81mg tablet per day.

    I think you are supposed to start taking the aspirin before starting the ArA by 10 days, then continue to take it during your run.

    Edit: Found it!! This is from another forum.

    "Quoting Coop, yet again.

    Re-read the benefits of aspirin mentioned ITT:

    1. Blockade of TxA2 formation = vasodilation -> performance enhancement
    2. Increased availability of ArA for non-thrombotic endpoints
    3. Stimulation of AMPK and overall health benefits

    Are the effects of 81mg aspirin significant when it comes to ArA metabolism? Absolutely. You and I both know it's one of the most well-studied drugs in existence"
    To be technical;

    COX and LPO breakdown the ArA into the luekotrienes and thromboxanes

    Inhibiting them (5-LPO and COX-2 inhibitor) leaves more Arachidonic acid available for uptake into muscle cells. This would be a good thing.

    However, as far as vasodilation, the increase of breakdown to 2-ag and aea (anandamide via FAAH (fatty acid amide hydroxilase) also aids in vasodilation via trpv1 agonism. So it can work both ways


    This may also be where garcinia Cambogia (50% hca) can play into effect in the cellular uptake but via a different mechanism (CD36).

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post
    I have also read that taking Baby aspirin can help with the effects of ArA. Just one 81mg tablet per day.

    I think you are supposed to start taking the aspirin before starting the ArA by 10 days, then continue to take it during your run.

    Edit: Found it!! This is from another forum.

    "Quoting Coop, yet again.

    Re-read the benefits of aspirin mentioned ITT:


    1. Blockade of TxA2 formation = vasodilation -> performance enhancement
    2. Increased availability of ArA for non-thrombotic endpoints
    3. Stimulation of AMPK and overall health benefits

    Are the effects of 81mg aspirin significant when it comes to ArA metabolism? Absolutely. You and I both know it's one of the most well-studied drugs in existence"
    This is correct. Others use Carnitine in place of the aspirin.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    This is correct. Others use Carnitine in place of the aspirin.
    Oh, ok. So if I already take Anavite, I won't need the baby aspirin?

    Would it hurt/help to do both?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post

    Oh, ok. So if I already take Anavite, I won't need the baby aspirin?

    Would it hurt/help to do both?
    I would do one or the other. No need to run both if you have 2g carnitine already available
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I would do one or the other. No need to run both if you have 2g carnitine already available
    Cool, good to know! Thanks
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Misfit28 View Post

    Cool, good to know! Thanks
    No problem
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Off topic question: What are your thoughts on taking ArA + carbs (~30g) + leucine first thing in the AM and lifting shortly after? Will that transient increase in insulin shift the likelihood of ArA being delivered to skeletal muscle?
    I would not advise it.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    I would not advise it.
    How about just the leucine then...
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post

    I would not advise it.
    Can you give a partial or full explanation as I'm curious as well

  31. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    It'd be more beneficial to add the GMS and Carnitine IMO.
    This right here. I use Compete and Hemavol with my X-gels everytime I run ARA.

  32. Interested in tho as I was considering this on my next run

  33. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Go with a 5-lpo inhibitor and hca for the next time you use it with GMS and carnitine.

    Muscular uptake and amount of ara In the stem would be high,
    How about Lodhra Bark (symplocos racemosa extract) as a lipoxygenase inhibitor?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15938197

    If so ArA + Anabeta elite + metabolic powder might nake for a good stack
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  34. So your saying use AA and anebeta elite together with alcat

  35. Quote Originally Posted by laneanders View Post
    This right here. I use Compete and Hemavol with my X-gels everytime I run ARA.
    Great combo. Do you typically add any bulk GMS?
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  36. Quote Originally Posted by cheftepesh1 View Post
    So your saying use AA and anebeta elite together with alcat
    Along with HCA which, as @EBF Inc had pointed out a couple post back, may help with cellular uptake
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Great combo. Do you typically add any bulk GMS?
    Hes an Iforce minion lol
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  38. Quote Originally Posted by cheftepesh1 View Post
    So your saying use AA and anebeta elite together with alcat
    They would stack very well
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  39. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Go with a 5-lpo inhibitor and hca for the next time you use it with GMS and carnitine.

    Muscular uptake and amount of ara In the stem would be high,
    Interested how you'd set this up?
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