- 01-15-2014, 10:04 PM
- 01-15-2014, 10:23 PM
- 01-15-2014, 10:45 PM
01-15-2014, 10:56 PM
01-15-2014, 11:25 PM
3 years? If you need to know what to use, you aren't ready for this IMO
You have alot of learning to do and more natural growing to do. 3 years isn't anything.
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01-16-2014, 09:02 AM
01-16-2014, 10:42 AM
Gonna have to agree with the fellas here, what are your current stats? bf%, weight and training look like. Prolly alot more that can be done before looking into what you are.
01-16-2014, 12:25 PM
in same fashion - not only has training time been short, but I wonder how old you are?
I trained and was athlete for over 25+yrs in natty realm, and exhausted all natural means of growth, before I took up "the next level"
only thru this way, will you learn all the ins & outs of not only training techniques, but also (and more importantly) - diet!
if however you are deadest on ph use, and are age appropriate to do so, then a 1-andro product is a very safe and mild compound to experiment with
01-16-2014, 02:13 PM
Also going to agree here as well.
Explore all means possible as a natty athlete. There are many ways to make gains through proper training and diet schemes. Until you have this dialed in, you will be selling yourself short by adding hormones into the mix.
Everybody wants instant gains (myself included) but being patient and persistent will produce smaller yet much more sustainable gains in the long term.
01-16-2014, 07:56 PM
01-16-2014, 07:58 PM
I notice you didn't post your age.. is that because you are still a young un?
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01-16-2014, 08:00 PM
01-16-2014, 08:07 PM
01-16-2014, 08:14 PM
Thank you for all these information guys. I will definitely do a lot of research before I try any of these products. Any other advise that you can give me if I do try PHs?
01-16-2014, 08:17 PM
Depends on your goals, are trying to get size or for athletic performance?
For athletic performance you can go with something mild like stano, ostarine caps, etc...
There are also many variances of 1-andros out there, I'd suggest a base to help out with the lethargy on those types of products as it can become quite prominent when they kick in around week 4-5... and go for a long cycle as the product takes a long time to build up.
01-16-2014, 08:21 PM
Don't think you're gonna run one cycle and stop there. The gains make a lot of people throw caution to the wind and run crazy cycles without regard to their innards. Exercise caution.
In pct, and beyond, you have to eat to maintain what you gained. Don't think that what you were eating before you put on those 10lbs is gonna be enough to maintain them.
Take cycle supports seriously. With something like 1-andro, albeit mild, it's never a bad idea to take cycle supports. Everyone reacts differently to different compounds.
Edit: Have EVERYTHING on hand PRIOR to running ANY cycle. Don't half ass it. Steroids/PH are drugs, bottom line.
01-20-2014, 10:10 PM
01-20-2014, 10:42 PM
01-20-2014, 10:51 PM
working within the natural realm, you are forced to pay attention & learn tricks to growth that you WILL NOT learn if you are simply inexperienced joe blow, looking for the cheap quick "fix" in your mind of steroid use
it is a pattern of growth, of education and learning, that you undertake when stretching the bounds of natural muscle growth
and then, when you learn all this experience and knowledge, you can apply those learned skills to the platform of elevated hormonal output..
serious damage can then commence to take place
one does not go from kindergarten to high school, skipping all the steps in between, and evolve into a capable student..
they would simply not be capable of it
it takes time, experience, and growth
01-20-2014, 10:55 PM
All you guys have right answers. Some just prefer to see the results quickly while some prefer the challenge. It's a matter of perspective eh?
01-21-2014, 12:06 PM
01-22-2014, 11:09 AM
Don't bother with bro-andro. You're setting yourself up for minimal gains and optimal adverse effects with that path.
Visit a hormone doctor with a concern about T and E issues effecting your affect. Then have them levels checked and refined with a prescription for some thing that will work how you want it to.
01-22-2014, 07:29 PM
Thanks for the advised! I always seek for medical advise from friends who are physicians. Have you, yourself tried any andro?
01-22-2014, 09:29 PM
I used Androstenedione back when it was legal and GNC was a decent place to buy supplements.
And I was around your age too.
The adverse effects trumped the positive effects; though, the positive effects were enough to bring on the adverse effects.
I got the instant results within the first few doses as there were some sudden strength gains and I felt/looked like I was made of concrete.
But I never slept longer than a few hours a night and the insomnia took its toll on my daily functioning. I'd also experience spontaneous heart palpitations and my sex drive was retarded.
I ended up stopping the cycle after a few weeks and got myself checked out.
Unless your physician friends can draw your blood and test it for you and go over your results with you, don't waste your time or their's by talking out of the ass.
See an actual Endocrinologist and gauge your hormones prior your hormone supplementation. If they are found to be high/low by even a paltry amount, you will be given an option to receive a script for some thing more legit than Andro.
I'm not sure if you're from the USA, but Andro is illegal in the USA and there is a high risk that the Andro you order isn't the actual Androstenedione you're thinking about. Or if it was, it would be seized while en route to your place and you'd have given away your money.
You'll most likely get a derivative or dumbed-down version of the aforementioned that may have no effect on you at all (or a minute effect if any).
Like others here have pointed out to you your unawareness, I will reiterate it and take it a step further to urge you to do some more research about pro-hormones and steroids as well as the supplement marketing terrain.
There is much to learn!
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