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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes. In my top 5. ArA + ABE is my go to by far.
    Would ABE still be good during a cut/ lowering body fat % tho, it seems like ABE would make you hungrier, possibly good during a bulk. But it does look like the added ingredients (forskolin) could possibly help during a cut if the dose is enough, thoughts/ what is your experience with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes. In my top 5. ArA + ABE is my go to by far.
    Would ABE be good during a cut tho, like while I'm trying to lower body fat %, because it looks like ABE would make you hungrier, but it sounds like with the new formula they added Forskolin to counter this so one could use on a cut? What are ur thoughts/ experience with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Thanks for the reply, what were your results with this stack/ any side effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Would ABE still be good during a cut/ lowering body fat % tho, it seems like ABE would make you hungrier, possibly good during a bulk. But it does look like the added ingredients (forskolin) could possibly help during a cut if the dose is enough, thoughts/ what is your experience with this?
    This is where diet comes into play. But yes, ABE is effective for a cut / lowering body fat %.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    This is where diet comes into play. But yes, ABE is effective for a cut / lowering body fat %.
    I'm looking at the ABE product right now, a little confused on the science behind what it is actually going to do..... Also what are the results/ make ARA so good like everyone is saying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    I'm looking at the ABE product right now, a little confused on the science behind what it is actually going to do..... Also what are the results/ make ARA so good like everyone is saying?
    Go to the PES sub-forum under Supplement Companies and you can read up on the new ABE.

    There are studies (as well as new studies) on ArA out there if you search for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Go to the PES sub-forum under Supplement Companies and you can read up on the new ABE. There are studies (as well as new studies) on ArA out there if you search for them.
    Just looked at the ABE like u said, looks like some recommend running ArA and ABE separately like one after the other for the first time if one (me) has never used either before. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Just looked at the ABE like u said, looks like some recommend running ArA and ABE separately like one after the other for the first time if one (me) has never used either before. Thoughts?
    Yeah, I tend to recommend to run them solo if you have never ran either before.

    This is mainly because, if stacked without running solo first, you won't know what is effective and if one of the two are not.

    Bridging is always something you could do also. Run ArA first (because it takes longer to kick in) then around week 3 or 4 throw in ABE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yeah, I tend to recommend to run them solo if you have never ran either before. This is mainly because, if stacked without running solo first, you won't know what is effective and if one of the two are not. Bridging is always something you could do also. Run ArA first (because it takes longer to kick in) then around week 3 or 4 throw in ABE.
    Ya I think I'm gunna get rid of the CLA and look at ArA some more, but the reviews look good, just confused on what effects it is really gunna have, or what people's real results from it have been during a caloric deficit???

    Also for taking both ARA and ABE during a cut. What are some dosing recommendations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Yeah, I tend to recommend to run them solo if you have never ran either before.

    This is mainly because, if stacked without running solo first, you won't know what is effective and if one of the two are not.

    Bridging is always something you could do also. Run ArA first (because it takes longer to kick in) then around week 3 or 4 throw in ABE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Ya I think I'm gunna get rid of the CLA and look at ArA some more, but the reviews look good, just confused on what effects it is really gunna have, or what people's real results from it have been during a caloric deficit??? Also for taking both ARA and ABE during a cut. What are some dosing recommendations?
    Reviews I have seen from people cutting with ArA are keeping and even adding strength while noticing body composition changes. I ran ArA and ABE on a recomp and my body composition drastically changed while adding LMB and strength shot through the roof.

    ArA: dose 1-2 grams pre-workout. No need for dosing on off days.
    ABE: 2 pre / 2 post. Off days - 1/1/1/1
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    Okay looks like this is gunna be what I run for three weeks:

    Creatine
    ArA (x gels i guess?)
    Fish oil
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    Protein
    Pre-workout
    Agmatine

    And then add Anabeta Elite to this after three weeks or so...thoughts??

    Anyone see any problems with anything in this stack, or have any last minute recommendations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Okay looks like this is gunna be what I run for three weeks: Creatine ArA (x gels i guess?) Fish oil Multi Protein Pre-workout Agmatine And then add Anabeta Elite to this after three weeks or so...thoughts?? Anyone see any problems with anything in this stack, or have any last minute recommendations?
    X-Gels or X-Factor.

    If you do the fish oil, dose 4-6 hours away from ArA.

    Looks good otherwise.
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    Ya I forgot to take fish oil out of my list, I know ARA is supposed to rise vascularity, among other things would taking Agmatine still be beneficial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Ya I forgot to take fish oil out of my list, I know ARA is supposed to rise vascularity, among other things would taking Agmatine still be beneficial?
    For sure. Can be used pre-workout, pre-meals, or pre-bed.
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    The agmatine?
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    I'd add forksolin-95 to the earlier part of your stack for the recomp effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I'd add forksolin-95 to the earlier part of your stack for the recomp effects
    Do you mean during like the first 3 weeks, and then stop when I add the ABE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Do you mean during like the first 3 weeks, and then stop when I add the ABE?
    No. Start the Forskolin with the ArA and continue running it even when you add in ABE (1-2 Forskolin caps a day).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    No. Start the Forskolin with the ArA and continue running it even when you add in ABE (1-2 Forskolin caps a day).
    Does the Anabeta not have enough Forskolin in it I guess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Does the Anabeta not have enough Forskolin in it I guess?
    It has enough, it is just that a higher dose (75-100mg) seem to give better effects.

    And running Forskolin for a longer period of time (12 weeks) is recommended also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    It has enough, it is just that a higher dose (75-100mg) seem to give better effects. And running Forskolin for a longer period of time (12 weeks) is recommended also.
    And the ABE for 8weeks? And how long for the ARA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    And the ABE for 8weeks? And how long for the ARA?
    Yes for ABE. ArA, run for 50 workout days. So depending on how many days a week you workout, ArA could last for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes for ABE. ArA, run for 50 workout days. So depending on how many days a week you workout, ArA could last for a while.
    So that's about 50-100 grams of ARA needed for that, right? And what is recommended forskolin dosing times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    So that's about 50-100 grams of ARA needed for that, right? And what is recommended forskolin dosing times?
    Yes. Need 2 100ct bottles for 1 gram a day , about 3.25 bottles for 1.5 grams, and 4 bottles for 2 grams.

    You can either dose in the AM, pre-workout, post-workout, or pre-bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes. Need 2 100ct bottles for 1 gram a day , about 3.25 bottles for 1.5 grams, and 4 bottles for 2 grams. You can either dose in the AM, pre-workout, post-workout, or pre-bed.
    Alright got it. Hey thanks for all the help on this *kbayne n others. Helps out a lot. I'll try to keep you posted on what it end up going with and the progress
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Alright got it. Hey thanks for all the help on this *kbayne n others. Helps out a lot. I'll try to keep you posted on what it end up going with and the progress
    Yeah, keep us posted.
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    Also last? any side effects from stopping taking these supplements (ARA, ABE, forskolin) when done, or possible gains going back down or anything like that? But be dumb question, but just wanna double check from anyone with experience with these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Also last? any side effects from stopping taking these supplements (ARA, ABE, forskolin) when done, or possible gains going back down or anything like that? But be dumb question, but just wanna double check from anyone with experience with these.
    No side effects should take place. Diet will play a huge role in keeping the gains. You will actually keep seeing gains for about 2 weeks after stopping the ArA.
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    Same thing with progress on cutting body fat % progress I'm assuming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Same thing with progress on cutting body fat % progress I'm assuming?
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    i bet the new Erase pro would stack amazing with some Alphamine & ArA . if you have some $$$ pop in some Compound 20/ Forskolin.
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    So after doing more research it does look like ABE will make you feel a lot hungrier, which i dont think i would want since I am trying to lose Body Fat, and the diet is hard enough as it is to maintain, is there a better alternative than ABE for a cut while stacking with ARA?
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    I just finished up a stack of Alphamax and Alphamine for a cut and had awesome results. Alphamax get's you all these goodies to help with hardening and strength increases.
    1.4g Divanil
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    Just Alphamax alone would be good for what you propose, but add in Alphamine and you're really going to see some nice results.
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    Bingo. I just prefer 8week runs
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