A GOOD NATTY STRENGTH/ HARDENING STACK WHILE CUTTING?

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    Another question, since I'm 23 and don't exactly think I have low test, would I benefit more from DAA and erase or would alphamax be enough? Anyone have some better experience/ results with these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Another question, since I'm 23 and don't exactly think I have low test, would I benefit more from DAA and erase or would alphamax be enough? Anyone have some better experience/ results with these?
    Alphamax is a good option, although id pick up two bottles +more forskolin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Alphamax is a good option, although id pick up two bottles +more forskolin
    Why do u say two bottles, what have ur results with alphamax looked like/ how long it really takes to start working well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Why do u say two bottles, what have ur results with alphamax looked like/ how long it really takes to start working well..
    In order to get a full 8 week run out of it and the extra Forskolin go get a higher (for better results) dose (I haven't ran Alphamax).
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    Test boosters would be a waste of money, but im no one. Your training and diet will account for 99% of your results. Having spent hundreds of dollars on various supplements myself, many of them are a complete waste of money. I know people on this forum love to push supplements, but just figured I'd give you a differing opinion on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    In order to get a full 8 week run out of it and the extra Forskolin go get a higher (for better results) dose (I haven't ran Alphamax).
    Bingo. I just prefer 8week runs
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklac View Post
    Test boosters would be a waste of money, but im no one. Your training and diet will account for 99% of your results. Having spent hundreds of dollars on various supplements myself, many of them are a complete waste of money. I know people on this forum love to push supplements, but just figured I'd give you a differing opinion on the matter.
    And that is why you find the few supplements that do work, and stick with them.

    The supplements I recommend are what I find effective and work as described (which are only a few).
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklac View Post
    Test boosters would be a waste of money, but im no one. Your training and diet will account for 99% of your results. Having spent hundreds of dollars on various supplements myself, many of them are a complete waste of money. I know people on this forum love to push supplements, but just figured I'd give you a differing opinion on the matter.
    I do agree there, I have tried a lot of supp, but never ARA, boosters, or any hardening agents. Was just trying to see/ get opinions on them for that little extra edge. Especially since I'm trying to gain strength and get rid of some body fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    And that is why you find the few supplements that do work, and stick with them. The supplements I recommend are what I find effective and work as described (which are only a few).
    So would two of your few include ARA, and Forskolin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    So would two of your few include ARA, and Forskolin?
    Yes. In my top 5.

    ArA + ABE is my go to by far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes. In my top 5. ArA + ABE is my go to by far.
    Would ABE still be good during a cut/ lowering body fat % tho, it seems like ABE would make you hungrier, possibly good during a bulk. But it does look like the added ingredients (forskolin) could possibly help during a cut if the dose is enough, thoughts/ what is your experience with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yes. In my top 5. ArA + ABE is my go to by far.
    Would ABE be good during a cut tho, like while I'm trying to lower body fat %, because it looks like ABE would make you hungrier, but it sounds like with the new formula they added Forskolin to counter this so one could use on a cut? What are ur thoughts/ experience with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Thanks for the reply, what were your results with this stack/ any side effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Would ABE still be good during a cut/ lowering body fat % tho, it seems like ABE would make you hungrier, possibly good during a bulk. But it does look like the added ingredients (forskolin) could possibly help during a cut if the dose is enough, thoughts/ what is your experience with this?
    This is where diet comes into play. But yes, ABE is effective for a cut / lowering body fat %.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    This is where diet comes into play. But yes, ABE is effective for a cut / lowering body fat %.
    I'm looking at the ABE product right now, a little confused on the science behind what it is actually going to do..... Also what are the results/ make ARA so good like everyone is saying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    I'm looking at the ABE product right now, a little confused on the science behind what it is actually going to do..... Also what are the results/ make ARA so good like everyone is saying?
    Go to the PES sub-forum under Supplement Companies and you can read up on the new ABE.

    There are studies (as well as new studies) on ArA out there if you search for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Go to the PES sub-forum under Supplement Companies and you can read up on the new ABE. There are studies (as well as new studies) on ArA out there if you search for them.
    Just looked at the ABE like u said, looks like some recommend running ArA and ABE separately like one after the other for the first time if one (me) has never used either before. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Just looked at the ABE like u said, looks like some recommend running ArA and ABE separately like one after the other for the first time if one (me) has never used either before. Thoughts?
    Yeah, I tend to recommend to run them solo if you have never ran either before.

    This is mainly because, if stacked without running solo first, you won't know what is effective and if one of the two are not.

    Bridging is always something you could do also. Run ArA first (because it takes longer to kick in) then around week 3 or 4 throw in ABE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Yeah, I tend to recommend to run them solo if you have never ran either before. This is mainly because, if stacked without running solo first, you won't know what is effective and if one of the two are not. Bridging is always something you could do also. Run ArA first (because it takes longer to kick in) then around week 3 or 4 throw in ABE.
    Ya I think I'm gunna get rid of the CLA and look at ArA some more, but the reviews look good, just confused on what effects it is really gunna have, or what people's real results from it have been during a caloric deficit???

    Also for taking both ARA and ABE during a cut. What are some dosing recommendations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Yeah, I tend to recommend to run them solo if you have never ran either before.

    This is mainly because, if stacked without running solo first, you won't know what is effective and if one of the two are not.

    Bridging is always something you could do also. Run ArA first (because it takes longer to kick in) then around week 3 or 4 throw in ABE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Ya I think I'm gunna get rid of the CLA and look at ArA some more, but the reviews look good, just confused on what effects it is really gunna have, or what people's real results from it have been during a caloric deficit??? Also for taking both ARA and ABE during a cut. What are some dosing recommendations?
    Reviews I have seen from people cutting with ArA are keeping and even adding strength while noticing body composition changes. I ran ArA and ABE on a recomp and my body composition drastically changed while adding LMB and strength shot through the roof.

    ArA: dose 1-2 grams pre-workout. No need for dosing on off days.
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    Okay looks like this is gunna be what I run for three weeks:

    Creatine
    ArA (x gels i guess?)
    Fish oil
    Multi
    Protein
    Pre-workout
    Agmatine

    And then add Anabeta Elite to this after three weeks or so...thoughts??

    Anyone see any problems with anything in this stack, or have any last minute recommendations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Okay looks like this is gunna be what I run for three weeks: Creatine ArA (x gels i guess?) Fish oil Multi Protein Pre-workout Agmatine And then add Anabeta Elite to this after three weeks or so...thoughts?? Anyone see any problems with anything in this stack, or have any last minute recommendations?
    X-Gels or X-Factor.

    If you do the fish oil, dose 4-6 hours away from ArA.

    Looks good otherwise.
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    Ya I forgot to take fish oil out of my list, I know ARA is supposed to rise vascularity, among other things would taking Agmatine still be beneficial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollingW View Post
    Ya I forgot to take fish oil out of my list, I know ARA is supposed to rise vascularity, among other things would taking Agmatine still be beneficial?
    For sure. Can be used pre-workout, pre-meals, or pre-bed.
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    The agmatine?
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    I'd add forksolin-95 to the earlier part of your stack for the recomp effects
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