ArA stack, do you need GMS?

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  1. ArA stack, do you need GMS?


    So in running ArA do you need GMS? I was thinking about using something I already have, like agmatine + citrilline maltate. I never liked GMS, dosing it above 2g gave me really bad stomach ache/pain so i want to stray away from it. Would it be okay to substitute GMS for agmatine +CM?

    Also would this dosing work:

    Morning
    multi

    PreWorkout
    1.5g ArA
    2g alcar
    1000mg agmatine + 6g of CM
    200mg caffeine

    6-8 hours later - fish oil


  2. I barely use the recommended dose of GMS in my ArA stack (it's whatever is in 1 scoop of Hemavol, which isn't very much) and I'm noticing pretty good strength gains. I do use the full dosage of ALCAR though.

  3. You can't "substitute" GMS with Agmatine or Cit. Mal. GMS is used with ArA for emulsification purposes. Although GMS does elicit pumps like Agmatine and Cit. Mal (albeit, in a non NO-dependent manner), this isn't the purpose of supplementing GMS with ArA.

    That being said, GMS isn't necessary with ArA. It may enhance ArA, but it's not an absolute need or anything along those lines.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    So in running ArA do you need GMS? I was thinking about using something I already have, like agmatine + citrilline maltate. I never liked GMS, dosing it above 2g gave me really bad stomach ache/pain so i want to stray away from it. Would it be okay to substitute GMS for agmatine +CM?

    Also would this dosing work:

    Morning
    multi

    PreWorkout
    1.5g ArA
    2g alcar
    1000mg agmatine + 6g of CM
    200mg caffeine

    6-8 hours later - fish oil
    I believe the reason behind gms is for emulsification purposes. It could make the ara more effective. Cm and agmatine wouldn't carry the same benefit but I may be wrong about that.

  5. gotcha, thanks fellas.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    gotcha, thanks fellas.
    No problem, let us know if you have anymore ArA questions.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    No problem, let us know if you have anymore ArA questions.
    how long can i run it for? ive seen no more than 50 days, but then i see people logging it for 15+ weeks

  8. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    how long can i run it for? ive seen no more than 50 days, but then i see people logging it for 15+ weeks
    I've only seen people run for 50 workout days or less.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    how long can i run it for? ive seen no more than 50 days, but then i see people logging it for 15+ weeks
    You can run it for long periods of time, but the recommended cycle is traditionally 50 workouts (if you are taking it preworkout only, which you should be).
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  10. If using on an empty stomach, then I'd recommend GMS. If taking with a meal, you don't.

    Emulsification is the reason why fish oil and most fatty acid supplements (X-Factor/ArA falls under this) are recommended to be taken with a meal. What I personally like to do is take my X-Factor with either High Volume + an added scoop of Glycergrow or take it with 2 scoops of Ultra Peptide 2.0 (which provides protein and fats) if I am running behind a bit on calories for the day or my meal timing wasnt ideal.

    As youre asking for advice, Im guessing you havent bought your ArA yet which is perfect as NP has it on sale for under $30

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  11. ARA with some Hemavol and Compete give you everything you need: GMS, Cit-Mal, Agmatine, and Carnitine. If you intend to run this for a long duration you may want to look at Joint Help as well. I love ARA but it definitely reacts poorly with my elbow tendonitis (pre-existing), the good news is that Joint Force + Joint Help seem to keep that at bay relatively well.

  12. Lol reps running wild! I already bought xgels and alcar. I'm not going to bother with hemavol since its gms content is negligible.

    Thanks for the replys fellas. Time to get swolen... Literally

  13. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    Lol reps running wild! I already bought xgels and alcar. I'm not going to bother with hemavol since its gms content is negligible.

    Thanks for the replys fellas. Time to get swolen... Literally
    Definitely wont get you the 6g recommended dose.
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  14. Not necessary, I had better results without.

  15. IMO You really do not need it, I've used it and it did not make any difference at all except in the mind through placebo effects.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrPoop View Post
    IMO You really do not need it, I've used it and it did not make any difference at all except in the mind through placebo effects.
    I think its role is more than placebo. Neuron posted in depth about how beneficial it is
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I think its role is more than placebo. Neuron posted in depth about how beneficial it is
    Exactly... although it does elicit some noticeable pumps, that's not why people use GMS with ArA.
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  18. AS GMS is too cheap not to grab some to run alongside ArA.
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  19. Hundreds of people have used ArA without GMS and have had success. It is beneficial but not necessary.
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  20. But it is stupid cheap. Might as well

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    Hundreds of people have used ArA without GMS and have had success. It is beneficial but not necessary.
    I agree, it wont prevent it from working by not having it; but i like to get the absolute most out of everything.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    I agree, it wont prevent it from working by not having it; but i like to get the absolute most out of everything.
    Spot on
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  23. Car say I've ever notice a difference either. I still tecommend it cause science though

    And gms is cheap, I figure why not. I like it on its own, just haven't seen it personally amplify my ArA experience, but def adds to skin tearing pumps
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  24. My phone blows.

    Can't*
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  25. Have you ran ArA twice? One with gms one without?
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  26. The only issue is still it kills my stomach

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I agree, it wont prevent it from working by not having it; but i like to get the absolute most out of everything.
    With the price of ara being high, and the price of gms being low.. if you are going to shell the cash for ara, do it the best!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    Have you ran ArA twice? One with gms one without?
    I've been run numerous cycles of X-Factor since it's come out. The last 2 cycles with GMS. Can't really say I notice a difference but like everyone says GMS is cheap so might as well.
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  29. As others have said its not necessary but its dirt cheap so why not optimize your run with it.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Car say I've ever notice a difference either. I still tecommend it cause science though

    And gms is cheap, I figure why not. I like it on its own, just haven't seen it personally amplify my ArA experience, but def adds to skin tearing pumps
    Completely agreed from my experience as well.

    X-Factor rocks without the now typical stackers, but with LCLT and GMS having scientific backing regarding synergy and are both affordable, I figure why not.
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  31. Darn, you guys are gonna make me pull the trigger on ArA real soon.......

  32. I bought some glycergrow for funsies and time to own it

  33. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post
    I bought some glycergrow for funsies and time to own it
    Glycergrow plus anything PWO wise is ridiculously good. You'll blow up for sure in the gym...but eventually you'll lose some of that water swelling when you get home. Really fills you out though when you take it and drink enough water!
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Glycergrow plus anything PWO wise is ridiculously good. You'll blow up for sure in the gym...but eventually you'll lose some of that water swelling when you get home. Really fills you out though when you take it and drink enough water!
    Exactly this. Always best to ensure you're drinking in plenty of water when using GMS.
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Exactly this. Always best to ensure you're drinking in plenty of water when using GMS.
    I drink 1.5 gallons regardless.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by cbsharpe View Post
    Darn, you guys are gonna make me pull the trigger on ArA real soon.......
    No better time than now, X-Factor for under $30 isnt going to last forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Glycergrow plus anything PWO wise is ridiculously good. You'll blow up for sure in the gym...but eventually you'll lose some of that water swelling when you get home. Really fills you out though when you take it and drink enough water!
    Agreed, GMS is awesome for temporary fullness during a workout.
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  37. IMO yes, it is. If you can afford Ara, you can afford gms quite easily.

    Mike

  38. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    IMO yes, it is. If you can afford Ara, you can afford gms quite easily.

    Mike
    Very true re: cost.
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  39. [QUOTE=SwolenONE;4308754]No better time than now, X-Factor for under $30 isnt going to last forever!

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/manufactu...lar-nutrition/

    I'm ordering this tomorrow....

  40. [QUOTE=cbsharpe;4310169]
    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    No better time than now, X-Factor for under $30 isnt going to last forever!

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/manufactu...lar-nutrition/

    I'm ordering this tomorrow....
    Glad to hear it!!

    Expect the MN line to be insanely well priced at NP from this point forward... including the new Test Factor which will blow minds next month!! They'll have a killer intro deal.
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