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  1. I just started my ArA run on Monday. Can't wait for week 3 to get here.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by blavongtheung View Post
    ABE does not have to be dosed away from anti-inflamitories right? (Cissus, Fishoil and Orange Triad)

    I would not dose them at the same time as the ARA...counterproductive when you are using an inflammatory

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  3. 4 hours away from ArA

  4. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Brb, opening up a wholesale account for my main man EBF

    I just upped my X-Factor from 4 to 6 and am already seeing insane muscle hardening effects... I cant wait to see how I progress on my lean bulk with this higher dose.
    Darn you man...LOL! Now I may up my dose again after this week..LOL! I'm on week 2 with Xfactor and I just started taking 5 instead of 4 and now I just saw your post about taking 6. LOL!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Fun fact:

    Started 6xfactor per day today

    Pop open bottle 3 tomorrow, I only have 2 left :

    I train 5-7 days a week.

    Actually the past 2 weeks have been 7 days a week with 1 2 a day.

    What is my max dosage ara per day? Oh I take it with another product that has ara in it, unsure of the amount though

    I take it an hour before my workout with GMS, .5 scoop pre workout

    Then 30 min later take my fat burners more pre workouts and head to ironsville.
    Why. So. Much. Volume. And. Frequency?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Why. So. Much. Volume. And. Frequency?
    Just ends up that way. I'm super OCD. I know I need the rest, but, I have serious problems doing it.

    Needed to hit each body part 2x a week. Keeps me sane. When I'm not in the gym i have slight mental breakdowns

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    Just ends up that way. I'm super OCD. I know I need the rest, but, I have serious problems doing it.

    Needed to hit each body part 2x a week. Keeps me sane. When I'm not in the gym i have slight mental breakdowns
    Im at the gym 4x per week and hit every muscle group twice lol. Rest and recover.

    I know the body is an adaptable beast but even the best people in the world need a break
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Im at the gym 4x per week and hit every muscle group twice lol. Rest and recover.

    I know the body is an adaptable beast but even the best people in the world need a break
    I have sometimes unlimited time in the gym or limited time.

    I was only training 5 days a week but needed a chest only day without adding another session and an arm only day.

    So instead of getting 2 days rest I just kind of dont get it

    Friday will be an off day completely tho because I'll have no time. So my schedule just falls on a workout everyday BC other schedules are unpredictable this way I can just miss a day when need be and not feel to guilty

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    I have sometimes unlimited time in the gym or limited time.

    I was only training 5 days a week but needed a chest only day without adding another session and an arm only day.

    So instead of getting 2 days rest I just kind of dont get it

    Friday will be an off day completely tho because I'll have no time. So my schedule just falls on a workout everyday BC other schedules are unpredictable this way I can just miss a day when need be and not feel to guilty
    And my split is unlike anyone else's I've ever seen lol

  10. I am not dosing Cissus or Fishoil until 7+ hours after ArA ingestion. Is that too long of a wait, or is it the ArA that needs the aditional 3 hours over the recommended 4 hours peri-workout.


    I too plan on dosing ArA frequently during the week, 6 days a week. I think I already asked this, but would I see greater/faster effects from taking 6 / week, or would it in the end be the same as taking 3 / week for double the amount of time?


    Last question, how would dosing work for both ABE and ArA when sick?
    I am coming down with some sickness and am going to take a day or two off, would I still dose ABE 4 pills with meals a day and just come back to ArA when I resume workouts? (I am on Antibiotics - Cephalexin for an insect bite that may have an infection running up my vein)

  11. Youll see some sweet gains with ArA 6 times a week

    You can take time off the supps while your out of the gym, heal up!
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I have sometimes unlimited time in the gym or limited time.

    I was only training 5 days a week but needed a chest only day without adding another session and an arm only day.

    So instead of getting 2 days rest I just kind of dont get it

    Friday will be an off day completely tho because I'll have no time. So my schedule just falls on a workout everyday BC other schedules are unpredictable this way I can just miss a day when need be and not feel to guilty
    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    And my split is unlike anyone else's I've ever seen lol
    For your mental health and potential joint health I would advise against this unless you are so adept at programming that you allow maximal recovery times between training muscle groups over the 7 days. If you do decide to workout 7 days, I advise taking your plan into someone with an advanced knowledge of physiology and programming and getting their insight just to make sure.

    While the body is extremely adaptable, there is a adaption period required and a minimum time between muscle groups that will allow for maximal recovery between workouts to give the tendons and muscles a chance to repair adequately (to avoid tendon and/ or muscle injuries). I would also suggest ensuring your prehab/ rehab and stretching routines are adequate.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    For your mental health and potential joint health I would advise against this unless you are so adept at programming that you allow maximal recovery times between training muscle groups over the 7 days. If you do decide to workout 7 days, I advise taking your plan into someone with an advanced knowledge of physiology and programming and getting their insight just to make sure.

    While the body is extremely adaptable, there is a adaption period required and a minimum time between muscle groups that will allow for maximal recovery between workouts to give the tendons and muscles a chance to repair adequately (to avoid tendon and/ or muscle injuries). I would also suggest ensuring your prehab/ rehab and stretching routines are adequate.
    Thank you for your input. I'll contact zir red

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    Thank you for your input. I'll contact zir red
    Definitely do! Just looking out for ya
    Arm day is a semi rest day because of low CNS recruitment but still
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Definitely do! Just looking out for ya
    Arm day is a semi rest day because of low CNS recruitment but still
    Yea man.

    Friday I'm taking off for sure. Been about 2 weeks since last rest day ibthink

  16. Cant say I have that problem, I enjoy my off days and filling up on those days gaining a few lbs of glycogen
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Cant say I have that problem, I enjoy my off days and filling up on those days gaining a few lbs of glycogen
    lol, sometimes training 5-6 days a week would make it hard to gain weight.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    lol, sometimes training 5-6 days a week would make it hard to gain weight.
    I do 5 a week and can gain weight pretty easily, I personally wouldnt want to train any more than that though unless the 6th day was light cardio or something.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post

    I do 5 a week and can gain weight pretty easily, I personally wouldnt want to train any more than that though unless the 6th day was light cardio or something.
    I just watch lifting videos all day while I research. Hard for me not to want to Goto the gym. Lol

    I gain, slowly but surely,

    11/24 I started all products. 170.4
    1/24/14 I'm 177. More full and vascular much stronger. And this isn't glycogen depleted. It was this morn after 500 carbs last night (4100 cals). So I'm closer to probably 173.

    Sooo lean bulk is working.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I just watch lifting videos all day while I research. Hard for me not to want to Goto the gym. Lol

    I gain, slowly but surely,

    11/24 I started all products. 170.4
    1/24/14 I'm 177. More full and vascular much stronger. And this isn't glycogen depleted. It was this morn after 500 carbs last night (4100 cals). So I'm closer to probably 173.

    Sooo lean bulk is working.
    Slowly and surely is better, IMO, then quick gains (as those usually are accompanied with more fat gains). Not always of course, just for me that's how it always goes.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Slowly and surely is better, IMO, then quick gains (as those usually are accompanied with more fat gains). Not always of course, just for me that's how it always goes.
    That is generally the philosophy one should follow. The slower you go, the easier it is to keep the gains (same principle applies to AAS).

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post

    That is generally the philosophy one should follow. The slower you go, the easier it is to keep the gains (same principle applies to AAS).
    Yea I actually just upped to 4k after a while at 3200 and a few cheats.

    But my volume and intensity changed a bit as well. Not enough to warrant that huge increase but after my 3 days of high cals, one low cal, I went right back to 3490-4000 and now I'm just going to hang out at that number. Since like insaid training increased.

  23. Quick question for coop and those others in the know:

    I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Quick question for coop and those others in the know: I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
    I would either do the split dose as you said, or run the XFA first then the XF as ArA usually kicks fully around week 3.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Quick question for coop and those others in the know:

    I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
    2 XF and 2 XFA makes sense, but if it were me personally, I'd just run the XFA first and then the XF.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Quick question for coop and those others in the know:

    I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
    I'm not science minded like coop or EBF, but EBF has been doing a lot of research into ArA and wrote me the other day saying he now understands why XFA came to be. Hopefully he'll chime in here.

    If concerned about it, feel free to run them 2, 2. If you want to figure out which version you prefer (XFA is the bigger seller for us) then try each version out separately.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post

    I'm not science minded like coop or EBF, but EBF has been doing a lot of research into ArA and wrote me the other day saying he now understands why XFA came to be. Hopefully he'll chime in here.

    If concerned about it, feel free to run them 2, 2. If you want to figure out which version you prefer (XFA is the bigger seller for us) then try each version out separately.
    He posted some studies in the other thread, but they are gibberish unless explained.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    I'm not science minded like coop or EBF, but EBF has been doing a lot of research into ArA and wrote me the other day saying he now understands why XFA came to be. Hopefully he'll chime in here.

    If concerned about it, feel free to run them 2, 2. If you want to figure out which version you prefer (XFA is the bigger seller for us) then try each version out separately.
    If either of you have these studies or a link to the thread I'd be interested. Or if EBF wants to chime in here

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    He posted some studies in the other thread, but they are gibberish unless explained.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    If either of you have these studies or a link to the thread I'd be interested. Or if EBF wants to chime in here
    The studies I posted didn't relate to fish oil and ara. Just interesting readings on what works well with it

  30. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    The studies I posted didn't relate to fish oil and ara. Just interesting readings on what works well with it
    Do you have the link(s) to these or the thread? Need some lunchtime reading ha
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