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  1. Epic Cutting Stack


    I've decided to begin cutting a bit earlier this year. I'd like some critique on the supplement plan, dose timing, and any other particular tips/ideas. If there is enough interest I may end up logging this so let me hear you. I will be running a 12 week cut (potentially longer if I'm either not where I want to be or am still feeling very motivated). Below is my stack, dosing, diet, and training that I'm planning. The diet and training are pretty untouchable as I have used this exact program in the past and was able to get down from ~12%bf to ~5%bf in 14 weeks. I've added quite a bit of muscle this fall and am excited to see the new look.

    Currently I'm sitting at 5'10" a new record high weight at 204.6lb and 18.2% bf (not exactly correct as I'm just using the scale's value but it will give some reference if I decide to log this, I estimate I'm actually closer to 15%) as of this morning. Goal is to get to 7-8%bf and bring my abs back out in full force.

    Supplements:
    Staples: Multi, Fish oil, CLA, Creatine Mono (1 pill w/ each meal)

    EBF - Recompadrol (1 pill 20-30min before first 3 meals for the first few days, then 2pills after); Metabolic Powder (2sc w/ meal 1, 1 sc with meal 2,3,4); Adipose Annihilation V2 (2 pills upon waking)

    Analyzed Supplements - Forskolin 95, 50-75mg/day (25mg upon waking + 25mg pre-workout for first few days, then 50mg AM +25mg Pre)

    PES - OG Alphamine (1 sc upon waking + 1 sc pre-workout for first few days, then 2 sc AM + 1 sc Pre); Amino IV (2 sc post fasted cardio once meal 1 has been dropped)

    USP Labs - Compound 20 (start once I'm under 10%bf to maximize effect, dosing as directed on bottle); AP (whenever I run out of Recompadrol, 1 cap with meals 1-3)

    Others in the cabinet: misc pre-workouts (have Jack3d Advanced, Fitmax, Build N.O, FlashOver, Prodigy); iForce Dexaprine XR/TT-33 (if I run out of alphamine); Lecheek Hyper T2/OxyECA Black; Finaflex PX-Black; USP Labs Prime/Versa 1; SNS Glycophase; Genomyx Slin Sane V2

    Typical weekday layout:
    4:45a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    5a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    6:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP) - late in the cut I may eliminate this meal and use PES Amino IV and fast til 9am
    9a - Meal 2: 3/4c oats, 1sc protein, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    12p - Meal 3: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95, Pre-workout as needed
    3p - Cardio + Abs (tue/thu) or Lifting (mon/wed/fri)
    4p - Post Workout Shake (20-30g protein, 5g creatine mono)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein
    9-10p - Go to bed (fri nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Typical weekend layout:
    9a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    9:20a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    10:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP)
    1p - Meal 2: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2:45p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95
    3:15p - Cardio + Abs
    4p - Meal 3: 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Meal 5: 8oz Chicken, 1c brussels sprouts (sat only)
    10p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein (sat only, will replace meal 5/8pm on sunday)
    Go to bed (Sat nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Training split is Mon/Wed/Fri, Back+Biceps/Chest+Triceps/Legs+Shoulders


  2. I didn't see anything from compound 20. Have you used it before?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    I didn't see anything from compound 20. Have you used it before?
    I have and saw nothing, but a) I was def too high of a bf% at the time to really show anything and b) I only ran it for 4 weeks which apparently is when it really just starts to show. I have 8 weeks worth that I won in a promo so it's not a big deal if it does nothing even with the full 8. Have you run it for 8?

  4. I'm in.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    I'm in. If you need any help with anything, and not just EBF products, let me know
    Thanks man. Any suggestions on tweaks to the current layout?
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  6. Take all recompadrol 20mins pre meal.

    Also, move oats from meal 2 at 9am to post workout.

    Take out carbs from brekky and use pre and post workout nutrition to get you leaner.

    Once a week, when you lean out more, introduce a carb refeed where you cut fat down and up the carb intake.

    Other than that, looks fine. When I jump on a PC I'll lay it out for you. Won't be too long until I can.
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  7. EC + F95 + LCLT/ALCAR/GPLC (on workout days) = epic cut. Done.

    (if you want some added goodness, I'd add anabeta elite to the mix)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    EC + F95 + LCLT/ALCAR/GPLC (on workout days) = epic cut. Done. (if you want some added goodness, I'd add anabeta elite to the mix)
    Ha this is nice but not at all what I have on hand. Not gonna buy all that stuff until I use at least some of what I've got.
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  9. So I kicked off my stack yesterday first thing in the morning. Some thoughts:
    -Man, FP Alphamine is good stuff. You can literally mix 1 scoop with like all the water and its still awesome. And wow did I get a rush from it. I've been on a stim break for over a month and it hit me like a ton of bricks and had me speed talking all morning. Also, it was so strong that it destroyed my appetite. I was almost sick to my stomach, but not in a bad way (if that makes sense?) which NEVER happens to me as I LOOOVVEEE to eat. I actually pushed meal 2 back about an hr just cuz I didn't want it. This has been the same effect today too. had me sweating 5 min into my cardio too (could have also been the AAV2 as well)

    -The Metabolic powder is not nearly as bad tasting as I remembered from the first bit I tried. I'm actually quite growing to like it, especially on certain things like eggs and mixed in some salsa dressing.

    -Hard to tell at this early stage but either the forskolin or the extreme diet change is tearing my gi system up. Made about 6 trips to the bathroom to "drop some weight" ha. I should have a better idea after the weekend as that should be enough time for my body to clear all the junk out of my system and really get in gear. Then I can figure out if its the F95 or not and potentially bump it up.

    - Today will be my first lifting day of this cycle (legs/shoulders) and I can't wait. Probably gonna skip a pre workout and just go with the alphamine for now until I buil up a tolerance. Might throw in some Yok3d since I have a bunch of samples laying around.

  10. Layout looks very well put together. I have no real suggestions on the supplement scheme (good job with all that).

    I would say your diet does look a little lacking in some fats, but if it has served you well like that in the past you know yourself better than I do.

    Good feedback so far.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Layout looks very well put together. I have no real suggestions on the supplement scheme (good job with all that).

    I would say your diet does look a little lacking in some fats, but if it has served you well like that in the past you know yourself better than I do.

    Good feedback so far.
    Fat intake can be at .4/lb
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    So I kicked off my stack yesterday first thing in the morning. Some thoughts:
    -Man, FP Alphamine is good stuff. You can literally mix 1 scoop with like all the water and its still awesome. And wow did I get a rush from it. I've been on a stim break for over a month and it hit me like a ton of bricks and had me speed talking all morning. Also, it was so strong that it destroyed my appetite. I was almost sick to my stomach, but not in a bad way (if that makes sense?) which NEVER happens to me as I LOOOVVEEE to eat. I actually pushed meal 2 back about an hr just cuz I didn't want it. This has been the same effect today too. had me sweating 5 min into my cardio too (could have also been the AAV2 as well)

    -The Metabolic powder is not nearly as bad tasting as I remembered from the first bit I tried. I'm actually quite growing to like it, especially on certain things like eggs and mixed in some salsa dressing.

    -Hard to tell at this early stage but either the forskolin or the extreme diet change is tearing my gi system up. Made about 6 trips to the bathroom to "drop some weight" ha. I should have a better idea after the weekend as that should be enough time for my body to clear all the junk out of my system and really get in gear. Then I can figure out if its the F95 or not and potentially bump it up.

    - Today will be my first lifting day of this cycle (legs/shoulders) and I can't wait. Probably gonna skip a pre workout and just go with the alphamine for now until I buil up a tolerance. Might throw in some Yok3d since I have a bunch of samples laying around.
    Have you tried Forskolin before? It's can definitely lead to some running to the bathroom but should clear up for you after a bit. and what did you start at for a dose? Looking good in here!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Layout looks very well put together. I have no real suggestions on the supplement scheme (good job with all that). I would say your diet does look a little lacking in some fats, but if it has served you well like that in the past you know yourself better than I do. Good feedback so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    Fat intake can be at .4/lb
    I've actually tried low fat/higher carb and vice versa and had better luck with low fat. Mostly because I can eat more and feel full longer I think
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by nicksox15 View Post
    Have you tried Forskolin before? It's can definitely lead to some running to the bathroom but should clear up for you after a bit. and what did you start at for a dose? Looking good in here!
    I hadn't tried it directly but have in tropinol xp. I had similar issues for the first 3-4 days and then was fine. I'm at 50mg/day (25 upon waking before fasted cardio and 25 in the afternoon pre workout). Plan is to settle here then bump to 75 (50am/25pm).
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I hadn't tried it directly but have in tropinol xp. I had similar issues for the first 3-4 days and then was fine. I'm at 50mg/day (25 upon waking before fasted cardio and 25 in the afternoon pre workout). Plan is to settle here then bump to 75 (50am/25pm).
    Sounds like a good plan there! Best of luck in your goals!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by nicksox15 View Post
    Sounds like a good plan there! Best of luck in your goals!
    Thanks man! Really looking forward to it.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    I've actually tried low fat/higher carb and vice versa and had better luck with low fat. Mostly because I can eat more and feel full longer I think
    What I'm saying is that you should keep fat intake to that recommended amount for better test production and you won't be moody lol
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  18. I usually do .5-.6 per body weight fat...
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    I usually do .5-.6 per body weight fat...
    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post

    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
    Slightly higher fat works well for me
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  21. Same for me.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    I usually do .5-.6 per body weight fat...
    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
    Good info. Thanks guys. I do remember that I was pretty moody towards the end of my last cut so maybe as I go along I'll try adding a bit here and there, maybe opposite weeks of carb/fat "refeeds" to keep things in check
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
    That's a minimum

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    That's a minimum
    Yes.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    That's a minimum
    I assume this is somewhat body weight dependent as well?
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I've decided to begin cutting a bit earlier this year. I'd like some critique on the supplement plan, dose timing, and any other particular tips/ideas. If there is enough interest I may end up logging this so let me hear you. I will be running a 12 week cut (potentially longer if I'm either not where I want to be or am still feeling very motivated). Below is my stack, dosing, diet, and training that I'm planning. The diet and training are pretty untouchable as I have used this exact program in the past and was able to get down from ~12%bf to ~5%bf in 14 weeks. I've added quite a bit of muscle this fall and am excited to see the new look.

    Currently I'm sitting at 5'10" a new record high weight at 204.6lb and 18.2% bf (not exactly correct as I'm just using the scale's value but it will give some reference if I decide to log this, I estimate I'm actually closer to 15%) as of this morning. Goal is to get to 7-8%bf and bring my abs back out in full force.

    Supplements:
    Staples: Multi, Fish oil, CLA, Creatine Mono (1 pill w/ each meal)

    EBF - Recompadrol (1 pill 20-30min before first 3 meals for the first few days, then 2pills after); Metabolic Powder (2sc w/ meal 1, 1 sc with meal 2,3,4); Adipose Annihilation V2 (2 pills upon waking)

    Analyzed Supplements - Forskolin 95, 50-75mg/day (25mg upon waking + 25mg pre-workout for first few days, then 50mg AM +25mg Pre)

    PES - OG Alphamine (1 sc upon waking + 1 sc pre-workout for first few days, then 2 sc AM + 1 sc Pre); Amino IV (2 sc post fasted cardio once meal 1 has been dropped)

    USP Labs - Compound 20 (start once I'm under 10%bf to maximize effect, dosing as directed on bottle); AP (whenever I run out of Recompadrol, 1 cap with meals 1-3)

    Others in the cabinet: misc pre-workouts (have Jack3d Advanced, Fitmax, Build N.O, FlashOver, Prodigy); iForce Dexaprine XR/TT-33 (if I run out of alphamine); Lecheek Hyper T2/OxyECA Black; Finaflex PX-Black; USP Labs Prime/Versa 1; SNS Glycophase; Genomyx Slin Sane V2

    Typical weekday layout:
    4:45a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    5a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    6:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP) - late in the cut I may eliminate this meal and use PES Amino IV and fast til 9am
    9a - Meal 2: 3/4c oats, 1sc protein, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    12p - Meal 3: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95, Pre-workout as needed
    3p - Cardio + Abs (tue/thu) or Lifting (mon/wed/fri)
    4p - Post Workout Shake (20-30g protein, 5g creatine mono)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein
    9-10p - Go to bed (fri nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Typical weekend layout:
    9a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    9:20a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    10:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP)
    1p - Meal 2: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2:45p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95
    3:15p - Cardio + Abs
    4p - Meal 3: 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Meal 5: 8oz Chicken, 1c brussels sprouts (sat only)
    10p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein (sat only, will replace meal 5/8pm on sunday)
    Go to bed (Sat nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Training split is Mon/Wed/Fri, Back+Biceps/Chest+Triceps/Legs+Shoulders
    Looks good brother keep us posted! Use that DexaprineXR

  27. Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    Looks good brother keep us posted! Use that DexaprineXR
    That's the plan. Towards the end I'll be using it and the tt-33. I'm excited to try it as I've heard it's quite strong and by the time I'm ready my stim tolerance should be pretty high
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I assume this is somewhat body weight dependent as well?
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW

  29. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
    Oops, total brain fart on that one. For some reason I read that like it was .4 of your daily calories... That's what I get for reading while on the treadmill ha.

    Quick question for those in the know:

    Would it be more beneficial to dose my third scoop of alphamine and additional 25mg F95 with my morning fasted cardio or pre workout (this is not really fasted but will most likely be ~2hr after my last meal)?

  30. That seems like a lot of supps... Maybe I am just not used to seeing that many.. damn... LOL

    Good luck tho! Ill be following!
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