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    I've decided to begin cutting a bit earlier this year. I'd like some critique on the supplement plan, dose timing, and any other particular tips/ideas. If there is enough interest I may end up logging this so let me hear you. I will be running a 12 week cut (potentially longer if I'm either not where I want to be or am still feeling very motivated). Below is my stack, dosing, diet, and training that I'm planning. The diet and training are pretty untouchable as I have used this exact program in the past and was able to get down from ~12%bf to ~5%bf in 14 weeks. I've added quite a bit of muscle this fall and am excited to see the new look.

    Currently I'm sitting at 5'10" a new record high weight at 204.6lb and 18.2% bf (not exactly correct as I'm just using the scale's value but it will give some reference if I decide to log this, I estimate I'm actually closer to 15%) as of this morning. Goal is to get to 7-8%bf and bring my abs back out in full force.

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    Staples: Multi, Fish oil, CLA, Creatine Mono (1 pill w/ each meal)

    EBF - Recompadrol (1 pill 20-30min before first 3 meals for the first few days, then 2pills after); Metabolic Powder (2sc w/ meal 1, 1 sc with meal 2,3,4); Adipose Annihilation V2 (2 pills upon waking)

    Analyzed Supplements - Forskolin 95, 50-75mg/day (25mg upon waking + 25mg pre-workout for first few days, then 50mg AM +25mg Pre)

    PES - OG Alphamine (1 sc upon waking + 1 sc pre-workout for first few days, then 2 sc AM + 1 sc Pre); Amino IV (2 sc post fasted cardio once meal 1 has been dropped)

    USP Labs - Compound 20 (start once I'm under 10%bf to maximize effect, dosing as directed on bottle); AP (whenever I run out of Recompadrol, 1 cap with meals 1-3)

    Others in the cabinet: misc pre-workouts (have Jack3d Advanced, Fitmax, Build N.O, FlashOver, Prodigy); iForce Dexaprine XR/TT-33 (if I run out of alphamine); Lecheek Hyper T2/OxyECA Black; Finaflex PX-Black; USP Labs Prime/Versa 1; SNS Glycophase; Genomyx Slin Sane V2

    Typical weekday layout:
    4:45a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    5a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    6:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP) - late in the cut I may eliminate this meal and use PES Amino IV and fast til 9am
    9a - Meal 2: 3/4c oats, 1sc protein, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    12p - Meal 3: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95, Pre-workout as needed
    3p - Cardio + Abs (tue/thu) or Lifting (mon/wed/fri)
    4p - Post Workout Shake (20-30g protein, 5g creatine mono)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein
    9-10p - Go to bed (fri nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Typical weekend layout:
    9a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    9:20a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    10:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP)
    1p - Meal 2: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2:45p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95
    3:15p - Cardio + Abs
    4p - Meal 3: 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Meal 5: 8oz Chicken, 1c brussels sprouts (sat only)
    10p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein (sat only, will replace meal 5/8pm on sunday)
    Go to bed (Sat nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Training split is Mon/Wed/Fri, Back+Biceps/Chest+Triceps/Legs+Shoulders

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    I didn't see anything from compound 20. Have you used it before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    I didn't see anything from compound 20. Have you used it before?
    I have and saw nothing, but a) I was def too high of a bf% at the time to really show anything and b) I only ran it for 4 weeks which apparently is when it really just starts to show. I have 8 weeks worth that I won in a promo so it's not a big deal if it does nothing even with the full 8. Have you run it for 8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    I'm in. If you need any help with anything, and not just EBF products, let me know
    Thanks man. Any suggestions on tweaks to the current layout?
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    Take all recompadrol 20mins pre meal.

    Also, move oats from meal 2 at 9am to post workout.

    Take out carbs from brekky and use pre and post workout nutrition to get you leaner.

    Once a week, when you lean out more, introduce a carb refeed where you cut fat down and up the carb intake.

    Other than that, looks fine. When I jump on a PC I'll lay it out for you. Won't be too long until I can.
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    EC + F95 + LCLT/ALCAR/GPLC (on workout days) = epic cut. Done.

    (if you want some added goodness, I'd add anabeta elite to the mix)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    EC + F95 + LCLT/ALCAR/GPLC (on workout days) = epic cut. Done. (if you want some added goodness, I'd add anabeta elite to the mix)
    Ha this is nice but not at all what I have on hand. Not gonna buy all that stuff until I use at least some of what I've got.
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    So I kicked off my stack yesterday first thing in the morning. Some thoughts:
    -Man, FP Alphamine is good stuff. You can literally mix 1 scoop with like all the water and its still awesome. And wow did I get a rush from it. I've been on a stim break for over a month and it hit me like a ton of bricks and had me speed talking all morning. Also, it was so strong that it destroyed my appetite. I was almost sick to my stomach, but not in a bad way (if that makes sense?) which NEVER happens to me as I LOOOVVEEE to eat. I actually pushed meal 2 back about an hr just cuz I didn't want it. This has been the same effect today too. had me sweating 5 min into my cardio too (could have also been the AAV2 as well)

    -The Metabolic powder is not nearly as bad tasting as I remembered from the first bit I tried. I'm actually quite growing to like it, especially on certain things like eggs and mixed in some salsa dressing.

    -Hard to tell at this early stage but either the forskolin or the extreme diet change is tearing my gi system up. Made about 6 trips to the bathroom to "drop some weight" ha. I should have a better idea after the weekend as that should be enough time for my body to clear all the junk out of my system and really get in gear. Then I can figure out if its the F95 or not and potentially bump it up.

    - Today will be my first lifting day of this cycle (legs/shoulders) and I can't wait. Probably gonna skip a pre workout and just go with the alphamine for now until I buil up a tolerance. Might throw in some Yok3d since I have a bunch of samples laying around.
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    Layout looks very well put together. I have no real suggestions on the supplement scheme (good job with all that).

    I would say your diet does look a little lacking in some fats, but if it has served you well like that in the past you know yourself better than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Layout looks very well put together. I have no real suggestions on the supplement scheme (good job with all that).

    I would say your diet does look a little lacking in some fats, but if it has served you well like that in the past you know yourself better than I do.

    Good feedback so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    So I kicked off my stack yesterday first thing in the morning. Some thoughts:
    -Man, FP Alphamine is good stuff. You can literally mix 1 scoop with like all the water and its still awesome. And wow did I get a rush from it. I've been on a stim break for over a month and it hit me like a ton of bricks and had me speed talking all morning. Also, it was so strong that it destroyed my appetite. I was almost sick to my stomach, but not in a bad way (if that makes sense?) which NEVER happens to me as I LOOOVVEEE to eat. I actually pushed meal 2 back about an hr just cuz I didn't want it. This has been the same effect today too. had me sweating 5 min into my cardio too (could have also been the AAV2 as well)

    -The Metabolic powder is not nearly as bad tasting as I remembered from the first bit I tried. I'm actually quite growing to like it, especially on certain things like eggs and mixed in some salsa dressing.

    -Hard to tell at this early stage but either the forskolin or the extreme diet change is tearing my gi system up. Made about 6 trips to the bathroom to "drop some weight" ha. I should have a better idea after the weekend as that should be enough time for my body to clear all the junk out of my system and really get in gear. Then I can figure out if its the F95 or not and potentially bump it up.

    - Today will be my first lifting day of this cycle (legs/shoulders) and I can't wait. Probably gonna skip a pre workout and just go with the alphamine for now until I buil up a tolerance. Might throw in some Yok3d since I have a bunch of samples laying around.
    Have you tried Forskolin before? It's can definitely lead to some running to the bathroom but should clear up for you after a bit. and what did you start at for a dose? Looking good in here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Layout looks very well put together. I have no real suggestions on the supplement scheme (good job with all that). I would say your diet does look a little lacking in some fats, but if it has served you well like that in the past you know yourself better than I do. Good feedback so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    Fat intake can be at .4/lb
    I've actually tried low fat/higher carb and vice versa and had better luck with low fat. Mostly because I can eat more and feel full longer I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksox15 View Post
    Have you tried Forskolin before? It's can definitely lead to some running to the bathroom but should clear up for you after a bit. and what did you start at for a dose? Looking good in here!
    I hadn't tried it directly but have in tropinol xp. I had similar issues for the first 3-4 days and then was fine. I'm at 50mg/day (25 upon waking before fasted cardio and 25 in the afternoon pre workout). Plan is to settle here then bump to 75 (50am/25pm).
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I hadn't tried it directly but have in tropinol xp. I had similar issues for the first 3-4 days and then was fine. I'm at 50mg/day (25 upon waking before fasted cardio and 25 in the afternoon pre workout). Plan is to settle here then bump to 75 (50am/25pm).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksox15 View Post
    Sounds like a good plan there! Best of luck in your goals!
    Thanks man! Really looking forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    I've actually tried low fat/higher carb and vice versa and had better luck with low fat. Mostly because I can eat more and feel full longer I think
    What I'm saying is that you should keep fat intake to that recommended amount for better test production and you won't be moody lol
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    I usually do .5-.6 per body weight fat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    I usually do .5-.6 per body weight fat...
    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post

    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
    Slightly higher fat works well for me
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    Same for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    I usually do .5-.6 per body weight fat...
    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
    Good info. Thanks guys. I do remember that I was pretty moody towards the end of my last cut so maybe as I go along I'll try adding a bit here and there, maybe opposite weeks of carb/fat "refeeds" to keep things in check
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    .4 is the amount coop suggested for function
    That's a minimum
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    That's a minimum
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    That's a minimum
    I assume this is somewhat body weight dependent as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I've decided to begin cutting a bit earlier this year. I'd like some critique on the supplement plan, dose timing, and any other particular tips/ideas. If there is enough interest I may end up logging this so let me hear you. I will be running a 12 week cut (potentially longer if I'm either not where I want to be or am still feeling very motivated). Below is my stack, dosing, diet, and training that I'm planning. The diet and training are pretty untouchable as I have used this exact program in the past and was able to get down from ~12%bf to ~5%bf in 14 weeks. I've added quite a bit of muscle this fall and am excited to see the new look.

    Currently I'm sitting at 5'10" a new record high weight at 204.6lb and 18.2% bf (not exactly correct as I'm just using the scale's value but it will give some reference if I decide to log this, I estimate I'm actually closer to 15%) as of this morning. Goal is to get to 7-8%bf and bring my abs back out in full force.

    Supplements:
    Staples: Multi, Fish oil, CLA, Creatine Mono (1 pill w/ each meal)

    EBF - Recompadrol (1 pill 20-30min before first 3 meals for the first few days, then 2pills after); Metabolic Powder (2sc w/ meal 1, 1 sc with meal 2,3,4); Adipose Annihilation V2 (2 pills upon waking)

    Analyzed Supplements - Forskolin 95, 50-75mg/day (25mg upon waking + 25mg pre-workout for first few days, then 50mg AM +25mg Pre)

    PES - OG Alphamine (1 sc upon waking + 1 sc pre-workout for first few days, then 2 sc AM + 1 sc Pre); Amino IV (2 sc post fasted cardio once meal 1 has been dropped)

    USP Labs - Compound 20 (start once I'm under 10%bf to maximize effect, dosing as directed on bottle); AP (whenever I run out of Recompadrol, 1 cap with meals 1-3)

    Others in the cabinet: misc pre-workouts (have Jack3d Advanced, Fitmax, Build N.O, FlashOver, Prodigy); iForce Dexaprine XR/TT-33 (if I run out of alphamine); Lecheek Hyper T2/OxyECA Black; Finaflex PX-Black; USP Labs Prime/Versa 1; SNS Glycophase; Genomyx Slin Sane V2

    Typical weekday layout:
    4:45a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    5a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    6:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP) - late in the cut I may eliminate this meal and use PES Amino IV and fast til 9am
    9a - Meal 2: 3/4c oats, 1sc protein, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    12p - Meal 3: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95, Pre-workout as needed
    3p - Cardio + Abs (tue/thu) or Lifting (mon/wed/fri)
    4p - Post Workout Shake (20-30g protein, 5g creatine mono)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein
    9-10p - Go to bed (fri nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Typical weekend layout:
    9a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    9:20a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    10:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP)
    1p - Meal 2: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2:45p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95
    3:15p - Cardio + Abs
    4p - Meal 3: 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Meal 5: 8oz Chicken, 1c brussels sprouts (sat only)
    10p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein (sat only, will replace meal 5/8pm on sunday)
    Go to bed (Sat nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Training split is Mon/Wed/Fri, Back+Biceps/Chest+Triceps/Legs+Shoulders
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    Looks good brother keep us posted! Use that DexaprineXR
    That's the plan. Towards the end I'll be using it and the tt-33. I'm excited to try it as I've heard it's quite strong and by the time I'm ready my stim tolerance should be pretty high
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I assume this is somewhat body weight dependent as well?
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
    Oops, total brain fart on that one. For some reason I read that like it was .4 of your daily calories... That's what I get for reading while on the treadmill ha.

    Quick question for those in the know:

    Would it be more beneficial to dose my third scoop of alphamine and additional 25mg F95 with my morning fasted cardio or pre workout (this is not really fasted but will most likely be ~2hr after my last meal)?
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    That seems like a lot of supps... Maybe I am just not used to seeing that many.. damn... LOL

    Good luck tho! Ill be following!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    That seems like a lot of supps... Maybe I am just not used to seeing that many.. damn... LOL Good luck tho! Ill be following!
    It's really not that much when you break it down... Take out the staples that everyone takes (multi/fish oil/etc) and all I have are:
    Stimmed fat burner
    Non stim fat burner
    GDA
    Metabolic powder (whatever you could categorize that as ha)
    Possibly a pre-workout or bcaas when needed.

    So, really only 4 main supps. The list is just big cuz I have a variety of brands of similar supps. Glad to have you aboard!
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    Day 5 Update:
    197.1lb, 16.5%bf (digital scale)

    Today will start my first full week of cutting and I can't wait. Motivation is growing each day and usually by about week 3 I'm totally in the zone. Appetite has been steadily increasing since starting my 2-3hr meals (first day or so was rough with the combo of supplements and transition). By the end of this week I'm pretty sure I'll be back to my normal, ravenous-all-the-time self that's often hungry 15min after a meal.

    Still experiencing some gi discomfort. Not sure if it's still adjustment to the diet or the supps (specifically the forskolin I'd think). The difference between currently and days 1-3 is that the first few days I was having gi issues almost on the clock 30-45min after am/pm doses. Now its more inconsistent and often randomly in the evening or middle of the day. I'm going to keep an eye on things for a few more days then see if I can bump up the doses. I'm also feeling a lot better with the alphamine as it was pretty strong the first 3 days after my stim break and had me not really wanting to eat at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Oops, total brain fart on that one. For some reason I read that like it was .4 of your daily calories... That's what I get for reading while on the treadmill ha.

    Quick question for those in the know:

    Would it be more beneficial to dose my third scoop of alphamine and additional 25mg F95 with my morning fasted cardio or pre workout (this is not really fasted but will most likely be ~2hr after my last meal)?
    For my third alphamine scoop I take it preworkout, and F95 when I get my second dose of alphamax around 5pm. And on your most recent post, it's probably the F95 for the GI issues. Should clear up within a few days though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    It's really not that much when you break it down... Take out the staples that everyone takes (multi/fish oil/etc) and all I have are:
    Stimmed fat burner
    Non stim fat burner
    GDA
    Metabolic powder (whatever you could categorize that as ha)
    Possibly a pre-workout or bcaas when needed.

    So, really only 4 main supps. The list is just big cuz I have a variety of brands of similar supps. Glad to have you aboard!
    No Problem man... I guess it is not that many, I am just used to taking my main supps which are currently, DMZ 3.0, Cycle Armor, and whey... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    No Problem man... I guess it is not that many, I am just used to taking my main supps which are currently, DMZ 3.0, Cycle Armor, and whey... LOL
    Haha a bit more kick to your supps there I can't wait to cycle again sometime later this spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Haha a bit more kick to your supps there I can't wait to cycle again sometime later this spring
    The DMZ3.0 is some potent ****! I have not had any sides, but has given me MAD hunger issues... I am hungry ALL of the time... I am drinking about 2+ gallons of water per day just to combat the hunger, and at times it still doesnt work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
    I read that Layne Norton recommends .28 of total daily calories, which would be a little less than 40% of one's bw.

    What's the max? And does the 40% apply to women as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    The DMZ3.0 is some potent ****! I have not had any sides, but has given me MAD hunger issues... I am hungry ALL of the time... I am drinking about 2+ gallons of water per day just to combat the hunger, and at times it still doesnt work!
    Ya I've seen a thread or two pop up in the last couple days with some noob type guys wanting to use it on their first ph cycle... Sounds like some harsh stuff being 3 methyl's. Death by liver dysfunction ha.

    I can't even imagine the hunger. By like week 2 of a natty cut I'm ravenous all the time and drink the same 2-3gal of water just to try to feel like I'm not dying.
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    Bumped up my recompadrol doses today to 2 caps each meal 1/2/3. Still having some gi randomness but seems to be subsiding so I'm looking to bump this weds/thurs.

    Any other thoughts on where to add my additional scoop of alphamine and additonal 25mg F95 (pre fasted morn cardio or pre workout)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Ya I've seen a thread or two pop up in the last couple days with some noob type guys wanting to use it on their first ph cycle... Sounds like some harsh stuff being 3 methyl's. Death by liver dysfunction ha. I can't even imagine the hunger. By like week 2 of a natty cut I'm ravenous all the time and drink the same 2-3gal of water just to try to feel like I'm not dying.
    This is my 3rd ph cycle, plus I am logging it for IML, and it is potent, but if you "know" what your doing, it's not bad, but if you have no idea, like these newbs... Then they could be in for a bad experience..
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