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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    That seems like a lot of supps... Maybe I am just not used to seeing that many.. damn... LOL Good luck tho! Ill be following!
    It's really not that much when you break it down... Take out the staples that everyone takes (multi/fish oil/etc) and all I have are:
    Stimmed fat burner
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    So, really only 4 main supps. The list is just big cuz I have a variety of brands of similar supps. Glad to have you aboard!
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    Day 5 Update:
    197.1lb, 16.5%bf (digital scale)

    Today will start my first full week of cutting and I can't wait. Motivation is growing each day and usually by about week 3 I'm totally in the zone. Appetite has been steadily increasing since starting my 2-3hr meals (first day or so was rough with the combo of supplements and transition). By the end of this week I'm pretty sure I'll be back to my normal, ravenous-all-the-time self that's often hungry 15min after a meal.

    Still experiencing some gi discomfort. Not sure if it's still adjustment to the diet or the supps (specifically the forskolin I'd think). The difference between currently and days 1-3 is that the first few days I was having gi issues almost on the clock 30-45min after am/pm doses. Now its more inconsistent and often randomly in the evening or middle of the day. I'm going to keep an eye on things for a few more days then see if I can bump up the doses. I'm also feeling a lot better with the alphamine as it was pretty strong the first 3 days after my stim break and had me not really wanting to eat at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Oops, total brain fart on that one. For some reason I read that like it was .4 of your daily calories... That's what I get for reading while on the treadmill ha.

    Quick question for those in the know:

    Would it be more beneficial to dose my third scoop of alphamine and additional 25mg F95 with my morning fasted cardio or pre workout (this is not really fasted but will most likely be ~2hr after my last meal)?
    For my third alphamine scoop I take it preworkout, and F95 when I get my second dose of alphamax around 5pm. And on your most recent post, it's probably the F95 for the GI issues. Should clear up within a few days though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    It's really not that much when you break it down... Take out the staples that everyone takes (multi/fish oil/etc) and all I have are:
    Stimmed fat burner
    Non stim fat burner
    GDA
    Metabolic powder (whatever you could categorize that as ha)
    Possibly a pre-workout or bcaas when needed.

    So, really only 4 main supps. The list is just big cuz I have a variety of brands of similar supps. Glad to have you aboard!
    No Problem man... I guess it is not that many, I am just used to taking my main supps which are currently, DMZ 3.0, Cycle Armor, and whey... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    No Problem man... I guess it is not that many, I am just used to taking my main supps which are currently, DMZ 3.0, Cycle Armor, and whey... LOL
    Haha a bit more kick to your supps there I can't wait to cycle again sometime later this spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Haha a bit more kick to your supps there I can't wait to cycle again sometime later this spring
    The DMZ3.0 is some potent ****! I have not had any sides, but has given me MAD hunger issues... I am hungry ALL of the time... I am drinking about 2+ gallons of water per day just to combat the hunger, and at times it still doesnt work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
    I read that Layne Norton recommends .28 of total daily calories, which would be a little less than 40% of one's bw.

    What's the max? And does the 40% apply to women as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    The DMZ3.0 is some potent ****! I have not had any sides, but has given me MAD hunger issues... I am hungry ALL of the time... I am drinking about 2+ gallons of water per day just to combat the hunger, and at times it still doesnt work!
    Ya I've seen a thread or two pop up in the last couple days with some noob type guys wanting to use it on their first ph cycle... Sounds like some harsh stuff being 3 methyl's. Death by liver dysfunction ha.

    I can't even imagine the hunger. By like week 2 of a natty cut I'm ravenous all the time and drink the same 2-3gal of water just to try to feel like I'm not dying.
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    Bumped up my recompadrol doses today to 2 caps each meal 1/2/3. Still having some gi randomness but seems to be subsiding so I'm looking to bump this weds/thurs.

    Any other thoughts on where to add my additional scoop of alphamine and additonal 25mg F95 (pre fasted morn cardio or pre workout)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Ya I've seen a thread or two pop up in the last couple days with some noob type guys wanting to use it on their first ph cycle... Sounds like some harsh stuff being 3 methyl's. Death by liver dysfunction ha. I can't even imagine the hunger. By like week 2 of a natty cut I'm ravenous all the time and drink the same 2-3gal of water just to try to feel like I'm not dying.
    This is my 3rd ph cycle, plus I am logging it for IML, and it is potent, but if you "know" what your doing, it's not bad, but if you have no idea, like these newbs... Then they could be in for a bad experience..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    This is my 3rd ph cycle, plus I am logging it for IML, and it is potent, but if you "know" what your doing, it's not bad, but if you have no idea, like these newbs... Then they could be in for a bad experience..
    That's what all the comments I saw basically said... I have't run a ph before so I can't comment from experience per say but I know there was some serious feeling out for me on my first cycle and I had been researching for well over a year and had what I thought was a good hold on everything ha. Amazing how different things can be between even two very similar people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    That's what all the comments I saw basically said... I have't run a ph before so I can't comment from experience per say but I know there was some serious feeling out for me on my first cycle and I had been researching for well over a year and had what I thought was a good hold on everything ha. Amazing how different things can be between even two very similar people.
    Exactly.. Starting mild is the best way... Then working up to the stronger sh!t...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    Exactly.. Starting mild is the best way... Then working up to the stronger sh!t...
    Agreed. Patience is something that seems to get lost too often in this world. Its all now now now, more more more. That's only good with women and money ha
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Bumped up my recompadrol doses today to 2 caps each meal 1/2/3. Still having some gi randomness but seems to be subsiding so I'm looking to bump this weds/thurs.

    Any other thoughts on where to add my additional scoop of alphamine and additonal 25mg F95 (pre fasted morn cardio or pre workout)?
    Not sure if it matters too much. Would you rather have more stim in the morning or pre-workout? I usually opt for the larger dose before my lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Not sure if it matters too much. Would you rather have more stim in the morning or pre-workout? I usually opt for the larger dose before my lift.
    The way I figure, if I take the additional doses in the morning (when I'm fasted for roughly 8hrs) that will give me the max impact/benefit since my body will already be primed to burn up some extra fat. The stim timing isn't all that important to me so much as max fat burning since I can always add in a stimmed preworkout in the afternoon before my lifting sessions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    The way I figure, if I take the additional doses in the morning (when I'm fasted for roughly 8hrs) that will give me the max impact/benefit since my body will already be primed to burn up some extra fat. The stim timing isn't all that important to me so much as max fat burning since I can always add in a stimmed preworkout in the afternoon before my lifting sessions.
    I think that would be a very solid way of looking at it. Makes sense and should be a great dosing scheme.
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    No additional gi issues with the extra recompadrol caps yesterday but I did notice I was hungry a lot faster after my first and second meals then I have been thus far. This is good and bad: Good because it means the recompadrol is helping with the large carb meals, but bad because I'm going to be very hungry here in the near future ha. I'm really starting to enjoy adding the metabolic powder to my meals. It adds a nice flavor as long as you don't get a big clump or something ha.

    The last few days I decided to change up when I'm taking my fish oil (was taking it with my wake-up supps: AAv2,F95,Alphamine) but figured that it could potentially take me out of my fasted state so I've moved it to dosing with meal 1. Since then I've had some mild-moderate heartburn within the first 20min or so after taking these which i believe is the AAv2 as I've seen this commented on before. Not really a big deal but just a note.

    Will be bumping up my wake-up dose of F95 to 50mg tomorrow, as well as adding an additional 1/2 scoop of alphamine to test the waters before bumping to 2 full scoops.
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    officially bumped F95 to 50mg upon waking, as well as alphamine to 1.5scoops. So far everything is "solid"

    Anyone had better luck with 100mg Forskolin vs 75? I've seen it recommended at 50-150mg but usually I see 75 as the sweet spot. Just curious on some others experiences
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    officially bumped F95 to 50mg upon waking, as well as alphamine to 1.5scoops. So far everything is "solid"

    Anyone had better luck with 100mg Forskolin vs 75? I've seen it recommended at 50-150mg but usually I see 75 as the sweet spot. Just curious on some others experiences
    I like 100mg personally, but I'll just bump this so you can get more input from others.

    This thread links to a study which supports the 100mg dose for more reading if you'd like: New Forskolin Study
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I like 100mg personally, but I'll just bump this so you can get more input from others.

    This thread links to a study which supports the 100mg dose for more reading if you'd like: New Forskolin Study
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    So everything went really well yesterday with the added dosing and such. Only thing of not was that I had some serious gas cramps in the evening that had me a bit uncomfortable for a couple hours... Not sure what from as nothing has changed in my diet so I'll be interested to see if it continues or maybe just a passing thing.
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    I'm guessing it's from the bump up in forsk. Hopefully that'll clear up soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksox15 View Post
    I'm guessing it's from the bump up in forsk. Hopefully that'll clear up soon!
    I figure that paired with the excessive amount of cabbage I've had ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    I figure that paired with the excessive amount of cabbage I've had ha.
    That's enough to cramp most ppl up
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    That's enough to cramp most ppl up
    Yep for sure. I absolutely love cabbage, Brussels sprouts, and broccoli so naturally I'm a bit "cramp prone"
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    Day:12

    Morning Weight: 195.1lb, 16.1%bf(scale)

    Solid weekend of cardio and a few misc rear delt exercises and pullups. I played hockey sat night for the first time in a few months and man can I feel that extra weight I put on during the holidays. Overall stack is feeling great. I'm not losing weight as fast as I did last time I dieted like this, but I think that's a good thing and that I'll keep more muscle because of the recompadrol as it will better feed my muscles and not just make me lose weight, but fat.

    Today will be back/bi's and I think I'm gonna add deadlifts back in to the beginning of my workout (taken a few weeks off and they're not "technically" part of the program I'm using but I love/miss them and just think the program was designed more for beginners even though it worked last time). Probably gonna sub in squats for leg presses too on Fridays from now on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Bit late bro but I'm in. Will have to catch up later
    Good to have you along.

    All GI issues have seemingly subsided so everything is smooth sailing now. Current layout for diet and supplementation (I eat almost exactly the same thing every weekday so this is a Mon-Fri schedule):

    4:36a - x2 AAV2, 50mg F-95, 1.5sc Alphamine - Back to sleep til 4:56a

    5:05a - 20min LISS cardio (treadmill @ 3.5-4mph - my treadmill is a pos and will randomly take off and shoot to 8mph for a min at times so that's always a treat)

    5:25-5:50a Cook meal 1, x2 Recompadrol - Off to work

    6:20a Meal 1: 1c Oats, 2tbsp hot sauce, 5 egg whites, 1.5c spinach, x1 CLA, x1 Fish Oil, 2sc Metabolic Powder (420kcal, 27p/57c/6f)

    9a x2 Recompadrol

    9:30a Meal 2: 3/4c oats, 2sc No Whey! Pumpkin Pie (1srvg), 1c salad, 1tbsp salsa, x1 CLA, 1sc Metabolic Powder (444kcal, 41p/60c/5f)

    12p x2 Recompadrol

    12:30p Meal 3: 8oz chicken (or venison), 1c salad, 1tbsp salsa, 2 slices whole wheat toast (or 1 med sweet potato), x1 CLA, 1sc Metabolic Powder (venison and toast: 519kcal, 77p/35c/7f)

    2:10p 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F-95

    2:50p Training (MWF - 45-65min, 3-4 sets, 10-15reps, 3-4 exercises per body part; TRSSu - 20min LISS cardio + 3x3x20 abs + rear delt work)

    4p 1sc whey isolate, 5g creatine monohydrate (166kcal, 30p/2c + creatine cals)

    6p 4oz chicken, 4oz venison, 2c broccoli, 1tbsp wasabi, 1tbsp soy sauce, x1 CLA, 1sc Metabolic Powder (350kcal, 56p/13c/5f)

    9p 1sc Phase 8 protein, 1sc Metabolic Powder, x1 CLA (150kcal, 26p/7c/2f)

    Daily macros: 2049kcal, 257P/174c/25f

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    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    My daily goal is ~1800-2000kcal
    Hey bro! Wouldn't these many calories be too low for you to preserve muscle? On another note, have you tried a only fat and protein diet (ketogenic diet)?
    I will start my cutting program two weeks down the line and your inputs on the various supplements will be very enlightening.. I will peruse through what you're using and come back for reviews/ guidance..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyRambo View Post
    Hey bro! Wouldn't these many calories be too low for you to preserve muscle? On another note, have you tried a only fat and protein diet (ketogenic diet)?
    I will start my cutting program two weeks down the line and your inputs on the various supplements will be very enlightening.. I will peruse through what you're using and come back for reviews/ guidance..
    As with any cut, a small amount of muscle loss is going to be inevitable but to answer your question I've calculated my TDEE and then dropped slightly below that to get my 1800-2000 area. The last time I ran this diet and exercise program I saw only minimal muscle loss so I'm confident in it. I'll be tweaking things as I go along as well to better accommodate my current state at that time.

    As for the keto diet, I actually ran that this summer for awhile and liked it but felt like there was so much that I couldn't eat. Most protein bars (which are just easy for a quick snack when you're on the go) and stuff like that become an issue. The weight loss was on par with what I'm doing now so I found that I prefer it this way just more for sanity's sake.

    Feel free to post up any questions or whatnot. There's some good bros in here already and hopefully more to come!
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