Epic Cutting Stack

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I've decided to begin cutting a bit earlier this year. I'd like some critique on the supplement plan, dose timing, and any other particular tips/ideas. If there is enough interest I may end up logging this so let me hear you. I will be running a 12 week cut (potentially longer if I'm either not where I want to be or am still feeling very motivated). Below is my stack, dosing, diet, and training that I'm planning. The diet and training are pretty untouchable as I have used this exact program in the past and was able to get down from ~12%bf to ~5%bf in 14 weeks. I've added quite a bit of muscle this fall and am excited to see the new look.

    Currently I'm sitting at 5'10" a new record high weight at 204.6lb and 18.2% bf (not exactly correct as I'm just using the scale's value but it will give some reference if I decide to log this, I estimate I'm actually closer to 15%) as of this morning. Goal is to get to 7-8%bf and bring my abs back out in full force.

    Supplements:
    Staples: Multi, Fish oil, CLA, Creatine Mono (1 pill w/ each meal)

    EBF - Recompadrol (1 pill 20-30min before first 3 meals for the first few days, then 2pills after); Metabolic Powder (2sc w/ meal 1, 1 sc with meal 2,3,4); Adipose Annihilation V2 (2 pills upon waking)

    Analyzed Supplements - Forskolin 95, 50-75mg/day (25mg upon waking + 25mg pre-workout for first few days, then 50mg AM +25mg Pre)

    PES - OG Alphamine (1 sc upon waking + 1 sc pre-workout for first few days, then 2 sc AM + 1 sc Pre); Amino IV (2 sc post fasted cardio once meal 1 has been dropped)

    USP Labs - Compound 20 (start once I'm under 10%bf to maximize effect, dosing as directed on bottle); AP (whenever I run out of Recompadrol, 1 cap with meals 1-3)

    Others in the cabinet: misc pre-workouts (have Jack3d Advanced, Fitmax, Build N.O, FlashOver, Prodigy); iForce Dexaprine XR/TT-33 (if I run out of alphamine); Lecheek Hyper T2/OxyECA Black; Finaflex PX-Black; USP Labs Prime/Versa 1; SNS Glycophase; Genomyx Slin Sane V2

    Typical weekday layout:
    4:45a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    5a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    6:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP) - late in the cut I may eliminate this meal and use PES Amino IV and fast til 9am
    9a - Meal 2: 3/4c oats, 1sc protein, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    12p - Meal 3: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95, Pre-workout as needed
    3p - Cardio + Abs (tue/thu) or Lifting (mon/wed/fri)
    4p - Post Workout Shake (20-30g protein, 5g creatine mono)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein
    9-10p - Go to bed (fri nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Typical weekend layout:
    9a (wake up) - 1-2sc Alphamine, 25-50mg F95, 2 AAV2
    9:20a - Fasted LISS cardio (20-30min, increasing throughout cut)
    10:15a - Meal 1: 1c oats, 5 egg whites, 1c spinach (Recompadrol, MP)
    1p - Meal 2: 1 med sweet potato, 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    2:45p - 1sc Alphamine, 25mg F95
    3:15p - Cardio + Abs
    4p - Meal 3: 8oz chicken, 1c salad w/ salsa (Recompadrol, MP)
    6p - Meal 4: 8oz Chicken, 1c broccoli
    8p - Meal 5: 8oz Chicken, 1c brussels sprouts (sat only)
    10p - Pre-Bed Meal: 1 sc casein (sat only, will replace meal 5/8pm on sunday)
    Go to bed (Sat nights may be 11p-12a or so)

    Training split is Mon/Wed/Fri, Back+Biceps/Chest+Triceps/Legs+Shoulders
    Looks good brother keep us posted! Use that DexaprineXR


  2. Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    Looks good brother keep us posted! Use that DexaprineXR
    That's the plan. Towards the end I'll be using it and the tt-33. I'm excited to try it as I've heard it's quite strong and by the time I'm ready my stim tolerance should be pretty high
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I assume this is somewhat body weight dependent as well?
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
    Oops, total brain fart on that one. For some reason I read that like it was .4 of your daily calories... That's what I get for reading while on the treadmill ha.

    Quick question for those in the know:

    Would it be more beneficial to dose my third scoop of alphamine and additional 25mg F95 with my morning fasted cardio or pre workout (this is not really fasted but will most likely be ~2hr after my last meal)?

  5. That seems like a lot of supps... Maybe I am just not used to seeing that many.. damn... LOL

    Good luck tho! Ill be following!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    That seems like a lot of supps... Maybe I am just not used to seeing that many.. damn... LOL Good luck tho! Ill be following!
    It's really not that much when you break it down... Take out the staples that everyone takes (multi/fish oil/etc) and all I have are:
    Stimmed fat burner
    Non stim fat burner
    GDA
    Metabolic powder (whatever you could categorize that as ha)
    Possibly a pre-workout or bcaas when needed.

    So, really only 4 main supps. The list is just big cuz I have a variety of brands of similar supps. Glad to have you aboard!
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  7. Day 5 Update:
    197.1lb, 16.5%bf (digital scale)

    Today will start my first full week of cutting and I can't wait. Motivation is growing each day and usually by about week 3 I'm totally in the zone. Appetite has been steadily increasing since starting my 2-3hr meals (first day or so was rough with the combo of supplements and transition). By the end of this week I'm pretty sure I'll be back to my normal, ravenous-all-the-time self that's often hungry 15min after a meal.

    Still experiencing some gi discomfort. Not sure if it's still adjustment to the diet or the supps (specifically the forskolin I'd think). The difference between currently and days 1-3 is that the first few days I was having gi issues almost on the clock 30-45min after am/pm doses. Now its more inconsistent and often randomly in the evening or middle of the day. I'm going to keep an eye on things for a few more days then see if I can bump up the doses. I'm also feeling a lot better with the alphamine as it was pretty strong the first 3 days after my stim break and had me not really wanting to eat at all.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Oops, total brain fart on that one. For some reason I read that like it was .4 of your daily calories... That's what I get for reading while on the treadmill ha.

    Quick question for those in the know:

    Would it be more beneficial to dose my third scoop of alphamine and additional 25mg F95 with my morning fasted cardio or pre workout (this is not really fasted but will most likely be ~2hr after my last meal)?
    For my third alphamine scoop I take it preworkout, and F95 when I get my second dose of alphamax around 5pm. And on your most recent post, it's probably the F95 for the GI issues. Should clear up within a few days though!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    It's really not that much when you break it down... Take out the staples that everyone takes (multi/fish oil/etc) and all I have are:
    Stimmed fat burner
    Non stim fat burner
    GDA
    Metabolic powder (whatever you could categorize that as ha)
    Possibly a pre-workout or bcaas when needed.

    So, really only 4 main supps. The list is just big cuz I have a variety of brands of similar supps. Glad to have you aboard!
    No Problem man... I guess it is not that many, I am just used to taking my main supps which are currently, DMZ 3.0, Cycle Armor, and whey... LOL

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    No Problem man... I guess it is not that many, I am just used to taking my main supps which are currently, DMZ 3.0, Cycle Armor, and whey... LOL
    Haha a bit more kick to your supps there I can't wait to cycle again sometime later this spring
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Haha a bit more kick to your supps there I can't wait to cycle again sometime later this spring
    The DMZ3.0 is some potent ****! I have not had any sides, but has given me MAD hunger issues... I am hungry ALL of the time... I am drinking about 2+ gallons of water per day just to combat the hunger, and at times it still doesnt work!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Huh? That's what it is...0.4g/lb BW
    I read that Layne Norton recommends .28 of total daily calories, which would be a little less than 40% of one's bw.

    What's the max? And does the 40% apply to women as well?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    The DMZ3.0 is some potent ****! I have not had any sides, but has given me MAD hunger issues... I am hungry ALL of the time... I am drinking about 2+ gallons of water per day just to combat the hunger, and at times it still doesnt work!
    Ya I've seen a thread or two pop up in the last couple days with some noob type guys wanting to use it on their first ph cycle... Sounds like some harsh stuff being 3 methyl's. Death by liver dysfunction ha.

    I can't even imagine the hunger. By like week 2 of a natty cut I'm ravenous all the time and drink the same 2-3gal of water just to try to feel like I'm not dying.

  14. Bumped up my recompadrol doses today to 2 caps each meal 1/2/3. Still having some gi randomness but seems to be subsiding so I'm looking to bump this weds/thurs.

    Any other thoughts on where to add my additional scoop of alphamine and additonal 25mg F95 (pre fasted morn cardio or pre workout)?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Ya I've seen a thread or two pop up in the last couple days with some noob type guys wanting to use it on their first ph cycle... Sounds like some harsh stuff being 3 methyl's. Death by liver dysfunction ha. I can't even imagine the hunger. By like week 2 of a natty cut I'm ravenous all the time and drink the same 2-3gal of water just to try to feel like I'm not dying.
    This is my 3rd ph cycle, plus I am logging it for IML, and it is potent, but if you "know" what your doing, it's not bad, but if you have no idea, like these newbs... Then they could be in for a bad experience..
    Beast Mode.... All Day... Every Day...

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    This is my 3rd ph cycle, plus I am logging it for IML, and it is potent, but if you "know" what your doing, it's not bad, but if you have no idea, like these newbs... Then they could be in for a bad experience..
    That's what all the comments I saw basically said... I have't run a ph before so I can't comment from experience per say but I know there was some serious feeling out for me on my first cycle and I had been researching for well over a year and had what I thought was a good hold on everything ha. Amazing how different things can be between even two very similar people.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    That's what all the comments I saw basically said... I have't run a ph before so I can't comment from experience per say but I know there was some serious feeling out for me on my first cycle and I had been researching for well over a year and had what I thought was a good hold on everything ha. Amazing how different things can be between even two very similar people.
    Exactly.. Starting mild is the best way... Then working up to the stronger sh!t...
    Beast Mode.... All Day... Every Day...

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240363-deak007s-training-log.html#post4306457

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Deak007 View Post
    Exactly.. Starting mild is the best way... Then working up to the stronger sh!t...
    Agreed. Patience is something that seems to get lost too often in this world. Its all now now now, more more more. That's only good with women and money ha

  19. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    Bumped up my recompadrol doses today to 2 caps each meal 1/2/3. Still having some gi randomness but seems to be subsiding so I'm looking to bump this weds/thurs.

    Any other thoughts on where to add my additional scoop of alphamine and additonal 25mg F95 (pre fasted morn cardio or pre workout)?
    Not sure if it matters too much. Would you rather have more stim in the morning or pre-workout? I usually opt for the larger dose before my lift.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Not sure if it matters too much. Would you rather have more stim in the morning or pre-workout? I usually opt for the larger dose before my lift.
    The way I figure, if I take the additional doses in the morning (when I'm fasted for roughly 8hrs) that will give me the max impact/benefit since my body will already be primed to burn up some extra fat. The stim timing isn't all that important to me so much as max fat burning since I can always add in a stimmed preworkout in the afternoon before my lifting sessions.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    The way I figure, if I take the additional doses in the morning (when I'm fasted for roughly 8hrs) that will give me the max impact/benefit since my body will already be primed to burn up some extra fat. The stim timing isn't all that important to me so much as max fat burning since I can always add in a stimmed preworkout in the afternoon before my lifting sessions.
    I think that would be a very solid way of looking at it. Makes sense and should be a great dosing scheme.
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  22. No additional gi issues with the extra recompadrol caps yesterday but I did notice I was hungry a lot faster after my first and second meals then I have been thus far. This is good and bad: Good because it means the recompadrol is helping with the large carb meals, but bad because I'm going to be very hungry here in the near future ha. I'm really starting to enjoy adding the metabolic powder to my meals. It adds a nice flavor as long as you don't get a big clump or something ha.

    The last few days I decided to change up when I'm taking my fish oil (was taking it with my wake-up supps: AAv2,F95,Alphamine) but figured that it could potentially take me out of my fasted state so I've moved it to dosing with meal 1. Since then I've had some mild-moderate heartburn within the first 20min or so after taking these which i believe is the AAv2 as I've seen this commented on before. Not really a big deal but just a note.

    Will be bumping up my wake-up dose of F95 to 50mg tomorrow, as well as adding an additional 1/2 scoop of alphamine to test the waters before bumping to 2 full scoops.

  23. officially bumped F95 to 50mg upon waking, as well as alphamine to 1.5scoops. So far everything is "solid"

    Anyone had better luck with 100mg Forskolin vs 75? I've seen it recommended at 50-150mg but usually I see 75 as the sweet spot. Just curious on some others experiences

  24. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    officially bumped F95 to 50mg upon waking, as well as alphamine to 1.5scoops. So far everything is "solid"

    Anyone had better luck with 100mg Forskolin vs 75? I've seen it recommended at 50-150mg but usually I see 75 as the sweet spot. Just curious on some others experiences
    I like 100mg personally, but I'll just bump this so you can get more input from others.

    This thread links to a study which supports the 100mg dose for more reading if you'd like: New Forskolin Study
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I like 100mg personally, but I'll just bump this so you can get more input from others.

    This thread links to a study which supports the 100mg dose for more reading if you'd like: New Forskolin Study
    Awesome much appreciated man! I'll rep you as soon as I can again ha...
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