- 12-11-2013, 10:09 AM
- 12-11-2013, 05:33 PM
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- 12-12-2013, 09:28 AM
Oddly enough, I started ZMA about a year ago, and it really helped me sleep better. I am someone who will fall asleep quick but wake up 2 hrs later and want to get up. With ZMA it seemed I would sleep nearly all night.
I ve always taken melotonin, but the addition if ZMA was great for me. I ve heard others say it did nothing for them in the sleep category, but everyone is different.Formutech Nutrition Rep --------------Team IronClad Physiques!!!
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12-12-2013, 09:05 PM
I have always been a big ZMA user to help with the ZZZ. Recently I started using REM-8.0 and find I have great sleep. Another one I used with great benefits was Humanopro by Labrada. Some of the best sleep I've gotten.
12-14-2013, 10:43 PM
12-15-2013, 05:03 AM
The way you are talking, it doesn't seem that sleep onset is the issue - more of just overall quality. Sorry if you mentioned it earlier, but have you given L-Dopa a chance by itself? How about magnesium?
This could all just be an acute thing as well since you mentioned stress and such.
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12-15-2013, 11:32 AM
Best sleep aid for me has been this cost effective stack:
ZMAs, Passion flower. (700mg) & agmatine (500mg).
It relaxes me then knocks me out.
Not everyone responds to ZMAs, but I'm glad it works for me. Oh and yes I have tried multiple sleep aid products from reliable brands and this little stack still works the best at half of the price.
12-15-2013, 11:35 AM
12-16-2013, 06:24 AM
Yep, ordered ldopa last week, on it as soon as it arrives.bi got it initially as an alternative to usp powerfull, its only 15% however noone van give me clear info on dosage so im going 1-2 before bed.
The valerian complex us a good knock out but you cant take it daily due to the mini hangover.
12-16-2013, 07:06 AM
Just got a bunch of free phenibut from my neighbors(they tried it on my recommendation but didn't like it) been taking it with melatonin and nature's way zinc magnesium calcium only thing keeping me up now is my son little **** wakes up every 2 hours wanting a bottle. 21 months 28" 32lb little bundle of muscle lol
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12-16-2013, 07:07 AM
12-17-2013, 03:38 AM
12-17-2013, 05:10 AM
12-17-2013, 05:40 AM
I believe the most highly-reviewed sleep aid is Abyss, but I haven't tried it and probably won't bother since my current stack is working so perfectly. Good luck dude; it is definitely no fun not being able to sleep!
12-17-2013, 05:46 AM
For me, Ldopa only really works on an empty stomach. Since I usually eat within an hour or two of sleep, it wasn't great. Also, don't eat any carbs at night when using Ldopa. I don't know why, but that reduces or eliminates its effects on sleep.
12-17-2013, 03:47 PM
Or you can go with Abyss Unparalleled and add some GABA or phenibut to it if you need some extra help falling asleep. The Abyss Unparalleled will knock your sleep cycle back in check on it's own though, takes a week or so but it will undoubtedly do that.
12-18-2013, 12:16 AM
Try to keep your sleeping environment cool and as dark as possible.
Make sure your environment is ideal - sheets you're comfortable with, the right level of firmness for your mattress, all that subjective **** that makes you feel right at home - and try to follow circadian rhythms (from the research I've seen, your body goes through energy peaks and troughs every 1.5 hours, very similar to sleep patterns). One of my professors was quite prominent in the field and was giving some anecdotal recommendations before finals.
LiGHts Out really does work wonders - I understand it's not cheap, so watch out for holiday sales. Abyss Unparalleled is awesome (have been stacking it with LO).
L-Dopa can work and help with sleep depth, not drowsing off as far as I've noticed. It gives me some crazy dreams if I read Stephen King books before bed.
Phenibut will help you relax but can have dependency issues.
Just try and relax, be happy, and leave your work at the office. As someone that works in a family business, I know this can be hard but discipline here will make you quite a bit happier in general. There's nothing you can't overcome, and the system shouldn't ever fail you.
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12-18-2013, 06:14 AM
12-18-2013, 02:11 PM
Ambien works like a charm! haha
But in all honesty I prefer a cocktail of the following: L-Dopa, Valerian, 5HTP, Melatonin
That combo provides a nice calm feeling before bed and ensures higher quality sleep, without the massive hangovers you would receive from popular night time sleep aids like; diphenhydramine(Benadryl), Zomplidem Tartrate(ambien), etc..
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12-18-2013, 07:59 PM
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12-19-2013, 07:04 AM
Sleeping bette ralready - the valerian was a knock out but theres no way i could use it daily (or want to, i want a long term solution).
5htp was ok, but kept getting flashing lights in the night and some heart palputations (rare sides).
I got a salt lamp - its got a lovely warm glow and for the last two nights has knocked me and the missus right out with its negative ions, so thats helped a lot.
Light wise i got a blackout blind - unfortunately the walls are so crap here i had to mount it on the outside of the frame so it lets some light in but generally it keeps 90% of it out (And my stupid nightbours flood light that was pissing us right off with his evening chores late at night!)
L-dopa is still in the post somewhere, i got impatient and ordered usp powerfull from a uk supplier, hope it arrives tomorrow. I havent used it for a couple of years but i do remember that it gave lots of benefits, especially sleep, aswell as other bonuses
Feeling better, but not quite there yet - these long winter nights are a killer, 4pm-7am its still pitch black and freezing! Trying to cut the alcohol too as i know it interfers with sleep (just one glass of wine does) and although its easy to keep work at work, im also on call, so for example i was called out at 6am this morning, didnt quite get my full nights kip. Powerfull used to give me 8 hours worth in 4, so heres hoping i benefit if i do get a callout.
Felt really 'down' since taking the tropinol xr, so ive stopped that, libido has jumped already - unsure why it didnt work for me, hopefully it wasnt causing the sleep issues, i used to take it early morning.
I need to get back into training, all this lack of sleep has made me exhausted, too much so to get to the gym for over a week :/
12-19-2013, 04:26 PM
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12-20-2013, 05:41 PM
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12-27-2013, 04:01 AM
Just like to add, 4 days in to USP Powerfull and im sleeping really well - its not a drowsey, sleeping pill style ,its just a nice waking up refreshed feeling after the nights kip. Had some odd dreams but theyr eliterally like blockbuster movies - I should write them down!
feels a very natural cure for the sleep issues... the rest feel like a quick plaster
12-27-2013, 07:36 PM
I hear ya mayne! I took Powerfull in June and had some crazy dreams. Felt rested every morning, and my girlfriend didn't mind the increased morning shenanigans too!
12-27-2013, 07:55 PM
01-01-2014, 10:36 AM
01-01-2014, 11:10 PM
I use Phenibut for those nights where I want to make sure I'll get sleep. Products like iForce Lights Out and in general some testbosters like Intimidate help you get better sleep every night.
I'll usually take around 2g of the SNS Phenibut when I do use it. Just make sure you have the ability to sleep well.. don't take it if you're only gonna have like 4 hours of sleep. At least for me, it makes me feel groggy and just out of it.
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