Supps for Heart Health

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  1. Supps for Heart Health


    Title says it all, besides not eating like garbage and training properly, what can someone take to improve heart health?

    And, what dosages would be effective and can be dosed on a daily basis for years on end without adverse side effects?


    Note: I swear to God, any iForce minion that posts in this thread WILL be negged to oblivion, and will be negged on sight anytime afterwards on this forum.


  2. I was taking Ubiquinol for a while, supposedly it is great for your heart health.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I was taking Ubiquinol for a while, supposedly it is great for your heart health.
    At what dose?

    Isn't that similar to CoQ10 as well?

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    Bro, the constant shilling annoys me and literally helps no one on this forum.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    At what dose?

    Isn't that similar to CoQ10 as well?

    I was taking 200mg once a day with a fat containing meal. It's what CoQ10 has to convert to in the body. As you age your body has more trouble converting the CoQ10 into Ubiquinol. That's my limited understanding anyway.
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  7. Ubiquinol, policosanol, EFAs

    BP control (chronic, not acute) is just as important as well.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Ubiquinol, policosanol, EFAs

    BP control (chronic, not acute) is just as important as well.
    BP control is also part of what I'm asking about, anything besides controlling sodium intake and drinking enough fluids? (Hawthorne berry does this I believe, but can that be used non stop?)

    Nitrates maybe? Can that be dosed daily, year round?

  9. Sodium actually has been shown to have zero effect on BP. It sounded good in theory, but didn't pan out. As far as nitrates go, I'm not sure. They'll help with BP, but NO is a pro-oxidant.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Sodium actually has been shown to have zero effect on BP. It sounded good in theory, but didn't pan out. As far as nitrates go, I'm not sure. They'll help with BP, but NO is a pro-oxidant.
    So what would you do to control BP?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    So what would you do to control BP?
    LISS, garlic extract, celery seed extract, hawthorn.
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  12. I believe Agmatine can help with BP also. I'm not sure how significantly though.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    LISS, garlic extract, celery seed extract, hawthorn.
    Hawthorne and celery seed at what dose? 200mg?

  14. I remember a thread or two in the advanced discussion regarding multiple health effects from ubiquinol. Not sure if BP was mentioned or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    BP control is also part of what I'm asking about, anything besides controlling sodium intake and drinking enough fluids? (Hawthorne berry does this I believe, but can that be used non stop?)

    Nitrates maybe? Can that be dosed daily, year round?
    Low dose cialis daily works very well. So does potassium nitrate (consumed daily concurrently with 500mg ascorbic acid).

    So does cardio!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Hawthorne and celery seed at what dose? 200mg?
    The bang for the buck is very overrated IME

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    LISS, garlic extract, celery seed extract, hawthorn.
    Agreed.

    And how come nobody has mentioned cayenne? Right up there with garlic and hawthorn!!!

    Add...turmeric, lecithin, and a quality EPA/DHA blend (like Barlean's)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by methusaleh View Post
    Agreed.

    And how come nobody has mentioned cayenne? Right up there with garlic and hawthorn!!!

    Add...turmeric, lecithin, and a quality EPA/DHA blend (like Barlean's)....
    When you add up all the costs why not just get a heart transplant and bill your insurance. The deductible and co-pays will be cheaper in the long run.

    This phenomenon is so common on the boards - $20 vial of testosterone and $300 of ancillaries.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    When you add up all the costs why not just get a heart transplant and bill your insurance. The deductible and co-pays will be cheaper in the long run.

    This phenomenon is so common on the boards - $20 vial of testosterone and $300 of ancillaries.
    Yeah, I'm not trying to do all that.

    I just want something (a couple different single ingredients maybe) I can take year round for health benefits, and not go broke lol.
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    IMO and IMPE Cialis @5-10mg/d and 1.6g potassium nitrate had me at 117/63 while on some notoriously BP debilitating compounds. I was very happy to discover this. Of course EFA, FO, MCT etc are all healthy staples.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    IMO and IME Cialis @5-10mg/d and 1.6g potassium nitrate had me at 117/63 while on some notoriously BP debilitating compounds. I was very happy to discover this. Of course EFA, FO, MCT etc are all healthy staples.
    Yeah, but isn't cialis a Rx drug?

    I'm not sure I could convince a doctor that I have ED at 21 lol.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Yeah, but isn't cialis a Rx drug? I'm not sure I could convince a doctor that I have ED at 21 lol.
    There are other methods of acquiring it. It's as ubiquitous on RC sites as anything else.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    There are other methods of acquiring it. It's as ubiquitous on RC sites as anything else.
    Is that something thats safe to take for extended periods of time?

    My BP is, and has always been, pretty high. (135/90 is the norm) So I'm definitely interested in ways to keep it lower besides what I already do.

  24. Well, Cialis is approved for daily use by the FDA (whatever that's worth).
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Well, Cialis is approved for daily use by the FDA (whatever that's worth).
    Not a lot lol.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Is that something thats safe to take for extended periods of time?
    Cialis is a doctor prescribed medicine that has been prescribed for daily use for years. There are billions of dollars invested in research. It also gives a good pump in the gym.

    Potassium Nitrate - the issue to be concerned about is the conversion to the potential carcinogenic nitrosamine. This is why the concurrent consumption of the antioxidants ascorbic acid and NAC.

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  27. I prefer celery seed extract of CO Q10 over the long term due to the cost/benefits but then again I would go with a $4 rx for long term use

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    IMO and IMPE Cialis @5-10mg/d and 1.6g potassium nitrate had me at 117/63 while on some notoriously BP debilitating compounds. I was very happy to discover this. Of course EFA, FO, MCT etc are all healthy staples.
    most people fail to realize that viagra was initially used to lower blood pressure and treat angina....and cialis is just a better version of viagra. Of course the "side effect" of raging hard-ons was way more marketable and profitable....so now they are ED meds

  29. CoQ10 (ubiquinone, not ubiquinol)
    Garlic
    Berberine
    EPA/DHA
    Betaine anhydrous
    Green Tea Extract
    Niacin
    COP
    PLCAR
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  30. IForce Heart Help is the way to go!! I kid I kid.

    I like Coops list but I would include Nitrates in there somewhere. And after having discussed Niacin with Benson on another board, I wouldn't touch the stuff lol.
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  31. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    IForce Heart Help is the way to go!! I kid I kid.

    I like Coops list but I would include Nitrates in there somewhere. And after having discussed Niacin with Benson on another board, I wouldn't touch the stuff lol.
    Use discretion between mega-dosing niacin vs daily use . Most real nasty sides (liver/flush) are a product of clinical megadosing protocols, as niacin is the most effective overall cholesterol aid we have.
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  32. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Use discretion between mega-dosing niacin vs daily use . Most real nasty sides (liver/flush) are a product of clinical megadosing protocols, as niacin is the most effective overall cholesterol aid we have.
    True, but I lend more toward the notion that total cholesterol being high isn't bad if your total triglycerides are low (inverse relationship between high trigs and LDL particle size).

    Plus I hear a common side effect is feeling like crap; is this common at daily use or more-so in mega-dosing?
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  33. Celery seed extract, Hawthorne extract both work very well for me. Cardio too, bro. It's often underrated or forgotten in our pill popping world

  34. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    True, but I lend more toward the notion that total cholesterol being high isn't bad if your total triglycerides are low (inverse relationship between high trigs and LDL particle size).

    Plus I hear a common side effect is feeling like crap; is this common at daily use or more-so in mega-dosing?
    Megadosing. They are referencing the intolerability of the flush.

    As for the inverse relationship, it can be fickle
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Megadosing. They are referencing the intolerability of the flush.

    As for the inverse relationship, it can be fickle
    Interesting. Always appreciate the knowledge impartment.

    Fickle yes, but I like the data on higher fat intakes improving lipid profiles
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  36. When I ran dymethazine which is dimethylated I took 1g of Hawthorne berry extract and 500mg of celery seed extract along with omegavia fishoil, which is like one of the most concentrated fishoil pills in the market, and I kept my bp at bay. Wasn't very pricey either, I wanna say like $75 for all of them.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by infraredline View Post
    When I ran dymethazine which is dimethylated I took 1g of Hawthorne berry extract and 500mg of celery seed extract along with omegavia fishoil, which is like one of the most concentrated fishoil pills in the market, and I kept my bp at bay. Wasn't very pricey either, I wanna say like $75 for all of them.
    6-10 legit hawthorn extract pills (depending on what PH/DS it is) get me right about where 2 5mg lisinopril do. no BS either. When I take the hawthorn with 1 5mg lisinopril, I get really low...as in what your doctor would like. What I have been doing is just using an extra lisinopril on any PH/DS cycle since the rx is free on my insurance and I use one a day anyways just to keep me in "normal" range as opposed to high normal, and the hawthorn is not necessarily pricey, but it "costs money" so.....

  38. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Yeah, but isn't cialis a Rx drug?

    I'm not sure I could convince a doctor that I have ED at 21 lol.
    Readily available at most research sights one if which kept accudently sending me it instead of letro got bottles of liquid c lying around no need to use it though since I'm blasting 700mg of prop a week. As for blood pressure supps, fish oil coq10, Hawthorne, agmatine, nitrates the list goes on
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  39. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Use discretion between mega-dosing niacin vs daily use . Most real nasty sides (liver/flush) are a product of clinical megadosing protocols, as niacin is the most effective overall cholesterol aid we have.
    Mr.Cooper will you tell my friend mega dosing niacin will not clean his pee he doesn't post but he does follow the forum and will probably listen to you
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  40. Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Mr.Cooper will you tell my friend mega dosing niacin will not clean his pee he doesn't post but he does follow the forum and will probably listen to you
    If he mega dosed niacin for real, he would get the nastiest case of flushing that would be EXTREMELY uncomfortable and he would never do it again. Let him try it if he hasn't already and it will take care of itself w/o intervention. I did this by accident when I mixed up my B-vitamins that were all in blue labels thinking it was b-12 and I took too many.......
  

  
 

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