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    good OTC chill pill / relaxation?


    Any recommendations on a good OTC supplement to help with relaxation?

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    How relaxed are you trying to go? are you going along the lines of a natural herbal sup or something a little more psychonaut
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    Any recommendations on a good OTC supplement to help with relaxation?
    Kava kava, 5-htp, L-theanine, and valerian root to name a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    natural.
    for an every once in a while thing I like Kratom
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    Any recommendations on a good OTC supplement to help with relaxation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    for an every once in a while thing I like Kratom


    researching now.
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    Is it possible to feel "really good" on kratom and if so what's the dosage? Has sparked my curiosity lately.
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    Uhmm...it can be a pretty dangerous substance . I would not recommend

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    Check out Phenibut. PEA is also good for a temporary high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    Is it possible to feel "really good" on kratom and if so what's the dosage? Has sparked my curiosity lately.
    There are some that claim dependency issues with it I for one have never had a problem with it but I do not have an addictive personality. Tolerance builds really fast but if used sparingly yes one can feel "really good". Its not going to be on the same level as pharmaceuticals but it triggers a similar chemical response in the brain as opiates but in a much milder since its just a leaf that you make a tea out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    Is it possible to feel "really good" on kratom and if so what's the dosage? Has sparked my curiosity lately.
    A good strain works really well but be super cautious.

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    I've been using SNS Phenibut for a bit now. I used 1 cap before my interview today since it relaxes me pretty nicely. I took 3 caps last Friday and partied since I don't drink anymore. It was pretty fun, extremely relaxed and social. Kind of a tipsy feeling with coherent thoughts and clear speaking. It's easy to get dependent on so I try to limit how much I take it. Once a week mostly, twice tops
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    Quote Originally Posted by joh408 View Post
    I've been using SNS Phenibut for a bit now. I used 1 cap before my interview today since it relaxes me pretty nicely. I took 3 caps last Friday and partied since I don't drink anymore. It was pretty fun, extremely relaxed and social. Kind of a tipsy feeling with coherent thoughts and clear speaking. It's easy to get dependent on so I try to limit how much I take it. Once a week mostly, twice tops
    Agreed. 2-3 times per week was my limits.
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    Kratom can be awesome. 2-3 grams of regular leaf (not extract!) works great.

    Also real kava kava prepared the traditional way is nicely intoxicating. I use it during the week instead of drinking. Tastes like putrefied ass, though.
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    Kratom (HAS to be the right strain and good source. I have some if you want to PM) can provide great feelings. Can be a bit hard on the stomach and may constipate you. I highly suggest sticking to plain leaf, as you can get into issues with extracts and even with plain leaf for that matter. Tolerance can become an issue and withdrawal also an issue with longer term use. It would have to be used daily for weeks to get here though (and with a decent dosage at that).

    Phenibut is another good one, but again, 2-3 times per week maximum. Tolerance here is even worse than Kratom and Withdrawal is MUCH worse and sets in 5-10x as quickly. Tread lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Uhmm...it can be a pretty dangerous substance . I would not recommend
    Where'd you get this from? If anything there's more danger of dependency from phenibut. In fact the phenibut dependency is factual whereas kratom isn't actually proven. Either way, moderation is key for either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Where'd you get this from? If anything there's more danger of dependency from phenibut. In fact the phenibut dependency is factual whereas kratom isn't actually proven. Either way, moderation is key for either.
    I agree Phenibut dependency is so very much worse. Kratom dependency does also exist though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post
    I agree Phenibut dependency is so very much worse. Kratom dependency does also exist though.
    I didn't think it was proven just hypothesized. I don't doubt it. I only tried it 2 times
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    Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post

    I agree Phenibut dependency is so very much worse. Kratom dependency does also exist though.
    You have got to be out of your mind
    Besides dependency issues Kratom 8s some bad stuff. I doubt its goibg to be available much longer

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    I didn't think it was proven just hypothesized. I don't doubt it. I only tried it 2 times
    I can only speak for myself and a number of others I know, but I'd say it exists. Doesn't ***** some stronger things of that nature (Rx's and what not), but will give you cold sweats and make give you that lovely restless leg syndrome/fatigue/malaise. Of course that isn't a RCT, but if one was undertaken for a decent amount of time with a consistent dosage it would show it. That clearly won't be done though.

    It does make a nice step-down from stronger things and can absolutely help people get off of more dangerous substances. In that respect I am a fan. If used responsibly it can be wonderful - as with everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post

    In what respect?
    That phenibut is worse than Kratom in any aspect

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    Just cause phf is selling it doesn't make it ok- its dangerous stuff. I dont rec anyone taking it

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    You have got to be out of your mind
    Besides dependency issues Kratom 8s some bad stuff. I doubt its goibg to be available much longer
    I can only speak from my experience. As a younger, more brazen, and idiotic person, I have had the displeasure of taking both (and much worse unfortunately), to the limit.

    Phenibut withdrawal was worse than anything I have experience with any other substance. No sleep for nearly 7 days. Panic attacks. Anxiety. Major BP issues.

    Kratom made me feel like **** for a week or two, but I'd take it any day or Phenibut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Just cause phf is selling it doesn't make it ok- its dangerous stuff. I dont rec any taking it
    You will note in my first post I advocated that if one were going to use, to only use the whole leaf. Extracts are where things go VERY wrong and I absolutely don't recommend their use. I believe they are dangerous.

    I'd take whole leaf kratom over phenibut any day. That's my personal opinion after use of each.

    My general recommendation would be to not use either though.
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    No issues with phenibut here but picamilon works well as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
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    Since kratom gets your dopamine going there are going to be some dependency issues in people who are predisposed to being an addict but much like pot the amount that you would need to take for it to become dangerous is off the charts. Extracts are the same way. But since your body builds up its tolerance levels so quickly if you do become a daily user you are only taking it to take it, you dont get the "high" from it. And as far as withdrawals from kratom much like cigs after the first couple of days its all in your head I have never seen or heard about anyone having opiate like withdrawal sickness from it.
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    give lights out a look...should help with relaxation and with the 5htp should put you in a calm and happy mood

    also no dependency
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    I gotta mention this again... Good quality kava, in the right dose, feels like alcohol without the mental impairment or hangover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcc80 View Post
    I gotta mention this again... Good quality kava, in the right dose, feels like alcohol without the mental impairment or hangover.
    I do enjoy Kava, but you are spot on about the exact right strain and the right dose. It is difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Since kratom gets your dopamine going there are going to be some dependency issues in people who are predisposed to being an addict but much like pot the amount that you would need to take for it to become dangerous is off the charts. Extracts are the same way. But since your body builds up its tolerance levels so quickly if you do become a daily user you are only taking it to take it, you dont get the "high" from it. And as far as withdrawals from kratom much like cigs after the first couple of days its all in your head I have never seen or heard about anyone having opiate like withdrawal sickness from it.
    You haven't looked into it very hard then. The ER visits from Kratom have risen dramatically with the method of treatment being the exact same as for opiate withdrawals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    You haven't looked into it very hard then. The ER visits from Kratom have risen dramatically with the method of treatment being the exact same as for opiate withdrawals.
    Method of treatment yes because they both go after dopamine but the severity is much less. I'm not saying it is harmless because at the end if the day it is a drug and any drug has the risk of abuse but kratom can provide a relaxation element when needed with about the same negative effects as its cousin the coffee plant. PS sorry if there are spelling errors this is coming from my phone
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    Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post
    I do enjoy Kava, but you are spot on about the exact right strain and the right dose. It is difficult.
    There is a Kava bar in town that I've wanted to hit.
    Might swing by this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    There is a Kava bar in town that I've wanted to hit.
    Might swing by this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    You have got to be out of your mind
    Besides dependency issues Kratom 8s some bad stuff. I doubt its goibg to be available much longer
    No doubt. Kratom is very dangerous on both a dependency and health level. I have spent a lot of time in SE Asia where Kratom is used heavily. These guys are not looking so well and are easy to spot due teeth issues and discoloring of skin and eyes. May cause liver toxicity and blood sugar issues also.

    Kratom is a mu receptor drug and contains a morphine akaloid that is stronger than morphine. This is why opiate addicts use it and it is used to curb withdrawals during periods of cessation.

    Kratom is a bad recommendation, particularly if you have a propensity for addiction. Better off on the natural non synthetic prescribed opiates and save your teeth, liver and skin.

    i always thought it pretty sad these desperate opiate addicts in SE Asia had to resort to such a dirty substance because they were poor.

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