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  1. good OTC chill pill / relaxation?


    Any recommendations on a good OTC supplement to help with relaxation?


  2. How relaxed are you trying to go? are you going along the lines of a natural herbal sup or something a little more psychonaut
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    Any recommendations on a good OTC supplement to help with relaxation?
    Kava kava, 5-htp, L-theanine, and valerian root to name a few.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    natural.
    for an every once in a while thing I like Kratom
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by thegameoflife View Post
    Any recommendations on a good OTC supplement to help with relaxation?
    SNS Phenibut XT or Picamillon 150

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    for an every once in a while thing I like Kratom


    researching now.
    thanks!

  7. Is it possible to feel "really good" on kratom and if so what's the dosage? Has sparked my curiosity lately.

  8. Uhmm...it can be a pretty dangerous substance . I would not recommend

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  9. Check out Phenibut. PEA is also good for a temporary high.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    Is it possible to feel "really good" on kratom and if so what's the dosage? Has sparked my curiosity lately.
    There are some that claim dependency issues with it I for one have never had a problem with it but I do not have an addictive personality. Tolerance builds really fast but if used sparingly yes one can feel "really good". Its not going to be on the same level as pharmaceuticals but it triggers a similar chemical response in the brain as opiates but in a much milder since its just a leaf that you make a tea out of.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    Is it possible to feel "really good" on kratom and if so what's the dosage? Has sparked my curiosity lately.
    A good strain works really well but be super cautious.

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  12. I've been using SNS Phenibut for a bit now. I used 1 cap before my interview today since it relaxes me pretty nicely. I took 3 caps last Friday and partied since I don't drink anymore. It was pretty fun, extremely relaxed and social. Kind of a tipsy feeling with coherent thoughts and clear speaking. It's easy to get dependent on so I try to limit how much I take it. Once a week mostly, twice tops
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by joh408 View Post
    I've been using SNS Phenibut for a bit now. I used 1 cap before my interview today since it relaxes me pretty nicely. I took 3 caps last Friday and partied since I don't drink anymore. It was pretty fun, extremely relaxed and social. Kind of a tipsy feeling with coherent thoughts and clear speaking. It's easy to get dependent on so I try to limit how much I take it. Once a week mostly, twice tops
    Agreed. 2-3 times per week was my limits.

  14. Kratom can be awesome. 2-3 grams of regular leaf (not extract!) works great.

    Also real kava kava prepared the traditional way is nicely intoxicating. I use it during the week instead of drinking. Tastes like putrefied ass, though.

  15. Kratom (HAS to be the right strain and good source. I have some if you want to PM) can provide great feelings. Can be a bit hard on the stomach and may constipate you. I highly suggest sticking to plain leaf, as you can get into issues with extracts and even with plain leaf for that matter. Tolerance can become an issue and withdrawal also an issue with longer term use. It would have to be used daily for weeks to get here though (and with a decent dosage at that).

    Phenibut is another good one, but again, 2-3 times per week maximum. Tolerance here is even worse than Kratom and Withdrawal is MUCH worse and sets in 5-10x as quickly. Tread lightly.

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Uhmm...it can be a pretty dangerous substance . I would not recommend
    Where'd you get this from? If anything there's more danger of dependency from phenibut. In fact the phenibut dependency is factual whereas kratom isn't actually proven. Either way, moderation is key for either.

  17. Go with good old herb mj. Will relax you very nice if your anxious.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Where'd you get this from? If anything there's more danger of dependency from phenibut. In fact the phenibut dependency is factual whereas kratom isn't actually proven. Either way, moderation is key for either.
    I agree Phenibut dependency is so very much worse. Kratom dependency does also exist though.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post
    I agree Phenibut dependency is so very much worse. Kratom dependency does also exist though.
    I didn't think it was proven just hypothesized. I don't doubt it. I only tried it 2 times

  20. Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post

    I agree Phenibut dependency is so very much worse. Kratom dependency does also exist though.
    You have got to be out of your mind
    Besides dependency issues Kratom 8s some bad stuff. I doubt its goibg to be available much longer

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    I didn't think it was proven just hypothesized. I don't doubt it. I only tried it 2 times
    I can only speak for myself and a number of others I know, but I'd say it exists. Doesn't ***** some stronger things of that nature (Rx's and what not), but will give you cold sweats and make give you that lovely restless leg syndrome/fatigue/malaise. Of course that isn't a RCT, but if one was undertaken for a decent amount of time with a consistent dosage it would show it. That clearly won't be done though.

    It does make a nice step-down from stronger things and can absolutely help people get off of more dangerous substances. In that respect I am a fan. If used responsibly it can be wonderful - as with everything.
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  22. 500mg L-Theanine during the day, 1000mg valarian root at night.

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by haiz69 View Post

    In what respect?
    That phenibut is worse than Kratom in any aspect

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  24. Just cause phf is selling it doesn't make it ok- its dangerous stuff. I dont rec anyone taking it

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  25. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    You have got to be out of your mind
    Besides dependency issues Kratom 8s some bad stuff. I doubt its goibg to be available much longer
    I can only speak from my experience. As a younger, more brazen, and idiotic person, I have had the displeasure of taking both (and much worse unfortunately), to the limit.

    Phenibut withdrawal was worse than anything I have experience with any other substance. No sleep for nearly 7 days. Panic attacks. Anxiety. Major BP issues.

    Kratom made me feel like **** for a week or two, but I'd take it any day or Phenibut.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Just cause phf is selling it doesn't make it ok- its dangerous stuff. I dont rec any taking it
    You will note in my first post I advocated that if one were going to use, to only use the whole leaf. Extracts are where things go VERY wrong and I absolutely don't recommend their use. I believe they are dangerous.

    I'd take whole leaf kratom over phenibut any day. That's my personal opinion after use of each.

    My general recommendation would be to not use either though.
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  27. No issues with phenibut here but picamilon works well as well.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
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  29. Since kratom gets your dopamine going there are going to be some dependency issues in people who are predisposed to being an addict but much like pot the amount that you would need to take for it to become dangerous is off the charts. Extracts are the same way. But since your body builds up its tolerance levels so quickly if you do become a daily user you are only taking it to take it, you dont get the "high" from it. And as far as withdrawals from kratom much like cigs after the first couple of days its all in your head I have never seen or heard about anyone having opiate like withdrawal sickness from it.
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