good OTC chill pill / relaxation?
- 11-21-2013, 01:43 AM
Phenibut withdrawal was worse than anything I have experience with any other substance. No sleep for nearly 7 days. Panic attacks. Anxiety. Major BP issues.
Kratom made me feel like **** for a week or two, but I'd take it any day or Phenibut.NSCA-CSCS and CPT - Doctor of Physical Therapy
- 11-21-2013, 01:45 AM
I'd take whole leaf kratom over phenibut any day. That's my personal opinion after use of each.
My general recommendation would be to not use either though.NSCA-CSCS and CPT - Doctor of Physical Therapy
11-21-2013, 02:55 AM
No issues with phenibut here but picamilon works well as well.
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11-21-2013, 09:52 AM
Since kratom gets your dopamine going there are going to be some dependency issues in people who are predisposed to being an addict but much like pot the amount that you would need to take for it to become dangerous is off the charts. Extracts are the same way. But since your body builds up its tolerance levels so quickly if you do become a daily user you are only taking it to take it, you dont get the "high" from it. And as far as withdrawals from kratom much like cigs after the first couple of days its all in your head I have never seen or heard about anyone having opiate like withdrawal sickness from it.
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11-21-2013, 09:56 AM
give lights out a look...should help with relaxation and with the 5htp should put you in a calm and happy mood
also no dependency
11-21-2013, 10:01 AM
I gotta mention this again... Good quality kava, in the right dose, feels like alcohol without the mental impairment or hangover.
11-21-2013, 10:35 AM
11-21-2013, 10:44 AM
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11-21-2013, 03:41 PM
MRM Relax-All is good, Phenibut is good although can be habit forming. I really like Relora, the new Nimbus line uses it in a couple of their formulas.
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11-21-2013, 03:42 PM
Hit me up with any questions any time.
11-21-2013, 06:47 PM
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11-22-2013, 08:04 AM
Kratom is a mu receptor drug and contains a morphine akaloid that is stronger than morphine. This is why opiate addicts use it and it is used to curb withdrawals during periods of cessation.
Kratom is a bad recommendation, particularly if you have a propensity for addiction. Better off on the natural non synthetic prescribed opiates and save your teeth, liver and skin.
i always thought it pretty sad these desperate opiate addicts in SE Asia had to resort to such a dirty substance because they were poor.
Mitragynine, the major alkaloid identified from Kratom, has been reported as a partial opioid agonist producing similar effects to morphine. An interesting minor alkaloid of Kratom, 7-hydroxymitragynine, has been reported to be more potent than morphine. Both Kratom alkaloids are reported to activate supraspinal mu- and delta- opioid receptors, explaining their use by chronic narcotics users to ameliorate opioid withdrawal symptoms.
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11-22-2013, 11:13 AM
I am curious if anyone complaining about withdrawal effects from Phenibut were taking larger than recommended doses. I spoke to a very knowledgeable doctor regarding phenibut and rebound hypertension at 500 mg to 1,500 mgs seems doubtful. Phenibut in the recommended dosage range should have very little impact on bp. My guess is someone having 7 days of withdrawal and severe rebound hypertension where taking some pretty hefty doses. I have read reports of people using as high as 12 grams at a single usage. The problem with phenibut again is that people with propensities to abuse drugs or alcohol should shy away from because those are the type that may start taking this daily at levels that could potentially result in withdrawal or rebound hypertension.
11-22-2013, 11:47 AM
Okay, a fantastic combo that I used last night was 4 tablespoons of a high quality Fiji kava powder extracted into water with coconut oil. And I took a half teaspoon of phenibut. Excellent. Could not be bothered by anything.
I DO have addictive tendencies. I'm fortunate, though, that I don't get physical withdrawal symptoms from anything. Your mileage may vary.
11-22-2013, 09:40 PM
Diphenhydramine (active ingredient in Benadryl)
Very cheap and works. Just get the knock-off brand stuff. Non-habit forming, and good to have on hand when you're sick.
Can't remember if I've taken Phenibut, but I probably have. I tend to have an addictive personality so I'd be leery to try again.
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