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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    They say it's not Angeline that's being recalled. Email this morning

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    They dont have to do an actual recall for using a non dshea compliant ingred

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Aegeline is not being pulled because people are getting sick and is not the cause, has not been confirmed that it is the cause. The FDA is pulling it because it doesn't comply with DSHEA.
    yeah, i was referring to this:"Hawaii officials are investigating 36 illnesses associated with OxyElite Pro, Sarah Park, M.D., State Epidemiologist with the Hawaii State Department of Health, said yesterday in an interview with Natural Products INSIDER. At least two illnesses required liver transplants and officials have reported one death.Although other cases have been reported linking supplements to hepatitis, Park said the decision was made this week not to investigate those other products because officials could not find commonalities. She said 36 cases, or 82 percent of the total illnesses, WERE linked to OxyElite Pro. Park did not name the other supplements that have been linked to hepatitis. " "the FDA is taking the lead role in identifying the relationship between OxyElite Pro and the reported illnesses." "A spokesperson for FDA said the "investigation is ongoing" "Health officials urged consumers to discontinue use of the product."
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  3. i saw this interview about a woman who grew sprouts and she was accused. they tested five times and couldnt find contamination, which i guess is insanely difficult to pull off for a little operation like hers. anyway, she was pressured to do a recall anyway (which didnt make sense to her, i guess some bigger corporations wanted her to be the one to go down instead). she cracked under the pressure. later, she said giving in was her biggest regret, as the recall is PUBLICALLY VIEWED as an admission of guilt

  4. 36 people contracted non-viral hepatitis with Oxyelite Pro as the common factor and you're saying the country is at fault? Tourists get sick because they arn't used to the water.

    The comparison makes zero sense.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    36 people contracted non-viral hepatitis with Oxyelite Pro as the common factor and you're saying the country is at fault? Tourists get sick because they arn't used to the water. The comparison makes zero sense.
    38 isnt alot of people for an entire area that has filthy, disease-contaminated water. my sister went there and got really sick; oxy elite wasnt involved. conversely, i can drink water anywhere on the globe, as long as it isnt disease-ridden. none of that makes sense to you? areas that have crappy water that tourists arent used to are areas that have disease problems
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    38 isnt alot of people for an entire area that has filthy, disease-contaminated water. my sister went there and got really sick; oxy elite wasnt involved. conversely, i can drink water anywhere on the globe, as long as it isnt disease-ridden. none of that makes sense to you?
    What the heck?

    Locals don't get sick most likely due to a form of immunity to it, you get sick because you don't; I have no idea where you are going with this? 36 is alot of people to contract non-viral hepatitis (I think you need to google what this is), especially when all of them consumed Oxyelite pro.

    I dont deny your sister got sick, but what has that got to do with non-viral hepatitis?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    What the heck? Locals don't get sick most likely due to a form of immunity to it, you get sick because you don't; I have no idea where you are going with this? 36 is alot of people to contract non-viral hepatitis (I think you need to google what this is), especially when all of them consumed Oxyelite pro. I dont deny your sister got sick, but what has that got to do with non-viral hepatitis?
    areas with poor hygeine are areas with poor hygeine. they dump toilet water/ drugs all that crap into their water. god knows whats in there. this hasnt been determined, so you could give me more credit than "zero sense" considering the FDA spokesperson said "Meanwhile, Park acknowledged she would like to determine what actually caused the illnesses in Hawaii, but such conclusive findings may be elusive."Sometimes, the best I can do is find the strongest association,"

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    areas with poor hygeine are areas with poor hygeine. they dump toilet water, drugs all that crap into their water. god knows whats in there
    I understand that.

    But where are the people who also contracted the same illness who did not consume Oxyelite pro? Surely not all of tourists in Hawaii use Oxyelite pro? if it was the water, then more cases would have occured.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    I understand that.

    But where are the people who also contracted the same illness who did not consume Oxyelite pro? Surely not all of tourists in Hawaii use Oxyelite pro? if it was the water, then more cases would have occured.
    There were cases of it without OEP in Hawaii.

    They've said that in almost all the articles, it's just that the majority used OEP (80% or so), they've left the other supps used unnamed for those who didn't use OEP.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    There were cases of it without OEP in Hawaii.

    They've said that in almost all the articles, it's just that the majority used OEP (80% or so), they've left the other supps used unnamed for those who didn't use OEP.
    Really?

    This is news to me. Because the same illness was contracted in NZ by someone who was also using Oxyelite pro. Seems far too coincidental.
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  11. From the article
    Hawaii officials are investigating 36 illnesses associated with OxyElite Pro, Sarah Park, M.D., State Epidemiologist with the Hawaii State Department of Health, said yesterday in an interview with Natural Products INSIDER. At least two illnesses required liver transplants and officials have reported one death.

    Although other cases have been reported linking supplements to hepatitis, Park said the decision was made this week not to investigate those other products because officials could not find commonalities. She said 36 cases, or 82 percent of the total illnesses, were linked to OxyElite Pro. Park did not name the other supplements that have been linked to hepatitis.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I understand that. But where are the people who also contracted the same illness who did not consume Oxyelite pro? Surely not all of tourists in Hawaii use Oxyelite pro? if it was the water, then more cases would have occured.
    yeah, there's 18% who just plum got it. but then i dont know what to make of this: "USPlabs believes counterfeit versions of OxyElite Pro are being marketed in the United States

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    From the article
    Thanks Jim. Interesting they wouldn't follow up on it.. But all cases were using supplements? Seems more like contamination on Hawaii's end if thats the case..
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    From the article
    But there have been several confirmed cases in a few states in the US now....I cant remember off hand how many states

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  15. Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    yeah, there's 18% who just plum got it. but then i dont know what to make of this: "USPlabs believes counterfeit versions of OxyElite Pro are being marketed in the United States
    Well that seems plauisble to me now.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    But there have been several confirmed cases in a few states in the US now....I cant remember off hand how many states
    I've only seen an article on the one in Connecticut.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I've only seen an article on the one in Connecticut.
    I only care so much because a friend on mine is sitting on four tubs of the stuff; I don't want them consuming something that has the potential to make them very sick.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I've only seen an article on the one in Connecticut.
    connecticut? no s**t

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I've only seen an article on the one in Connecticut.
    It was like 5+.. it may have been on the CDC report but I cant remember at the moment. I think consumers should be happy that the CDC is investigating cause they will do a MUCH more thorough job investigating that the FDA ever could

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    I only care so much because a friend on mine is sitting on four tubs of the stuff; I don't want them consuming something that has the potential to make them very sick.
    I, personally, have been skeptical of this whole situation since the start. Hell, the original news article clearly stated that there were cases of the same illness, in the same area, that were not related to OEP.

    I don't pretend to know why other possibilities aren't being examined, but I also wouldn't advise people to use the products in question until there's more information available.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    It was like 5+.. it may have been on the CDC report but I cant remember at the moment. I think consumers should be happy that the CDC is investigating cause they will do a MUCH more thorough job investigating that the FDA ever could
    Jeez.

    I tried to get him to toss them but he paid a fortune for them lol
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  22. Possibly mixing the OEP with the dirty water amplified the effects of both?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Wilsy7 View Post
    Possibly mixing the OEP with the dirty water amplified the effects of both?
    Wait, what?


    Did you read that before posting it? Or any of this thread for that matter?

    Cliffs:

    Not all of the cases involve OEP.
    Not all of the cases were isolated to Hawaii.
    Not all of the cases are even in the US.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    38 isnt alot of people for an entire area that has filthy, disease-contaminated water. my sister went there and got really sick; oxy elite wasnt involved. conversely, i can drink water anywhere on the globe, as long as it isnt disease-ridden. none of that makes sense to you? areas that have crappy water that tourists arent used to are areas that have disease problems
    You do realize that this was non-viral non-contagious acute hepatitis we are talking about here right? It's the kind of hepatitis that is brought on usually from heavy alcohol use or drugs uses.

    So this theory of yours about the environmental contamination in the water and such doesn't make sense because 1) there would probably need to be actual toxicity in the water 2) water apart from well water is tested and treated for toxicity and carcinogens (since Hawaii is part if the US, I'm guessing EPA does regulate their drinking water systems) 3) contamination of the water supply will lead to far more than 30 something cases of illness.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I've only seen an article on the one in Connecticut.
    Why do you keep mis-citing facts and statistics to downplay these issues. I am sure your Google still works so it would be easy to see that as of the end of October they tied 56 cases to OEP and there have been recent reported cases in Ohio, California,Connecticut and someone on here reported New Zealand which I know you saw in another thread. You can be skeptical, blame the FDA and etc. all you want, but at least use accurate data and information when trying assure others everything is a okay or just a misunderstanding by the mean ole FDA.
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