- 11-14-2013, 06:52 AM
I have been doing some reading on this and I get a lot of mixed reviews. I have read back a few years and noticed Coop has been hot and cold. I understand that has a lot to do with what was available and when, data wise. I bought a bunch of Amino IV's as the price was too good, and I have some alpamine I have not started. Do I get a sufficient dose running these products? and do we know of any advantages over Leucine? as that seems to be the question going back and fourth.
- 11-14-2013, 07:03 AM
Superior for retaining muscle while dieting. Proven effective in clinical trials unlike its less reliable cousin HMB. This is the metabolite of leucine that will give you the most bang for your buck, without the insulin spike you would get from an equivalent (5g + recommended) dose of leucine.
Most effective in a caloric deficit or while fasted.
I retain muscle better using Alphamine over other fat burners I have tried, which is quite a few, so I am a responder/believer in the effects of HICA.
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- 11-14-2013, 10:23 AM
11-14-2013, 10:32 AM
Is HICA available in bulk powder? I have not been able to locate it.
11-14-2013, 10:43 AM
Hica is an metabolite of leucine. When leucine is ingested - leucine -> KIC -> HICA
The idea of why leucine is more effective is because when leucine is ingested you get KIC and KIC increased BCAA oxidation via BCKDH enzyme. It is believed that by supplementing with just HICA you can circumvent the interaction with BCKDH and thus result in more available BCAA for more anabolism.
We need a study that investigates the interaction between the BCKDH enzyme and HICA in order to have a better understanding of what's going on. Or a study that compared HICA supplementation vs leucine supplementation in resistance trained athletes in order to determine superiority.
Did I butcher that @mr.cooper69?
11-14-2013, 10:57 AM
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11-14-2013, 11:52 AM
So leucine spikes insulin, even in a fasted state?. If that was true, wouldn't I have a huge drop in blood glucose while training, causing significant problems?...
11-14-2013, 11:54 AM
Get the Coopster in here!
11-14-2013, 12:04 PM
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11-14-2013, 12:43 PM
Seems like a non-issue to me.
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11-14-2013, 06:11 PM
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11-14-2013, 06:12 PM
So it is best to stay with Leucine at this point, correct?.
11-14-2013, 06:34 PM
No thats not what he says. What he says is we really dont have enough information currently in order to determine superiority. HICA may be superior or it may not be.
11-14-2013, 06:49 PM
11-14-2013, 07:05 PM
I'll continue to dose 5g leucine when necessary. Dr. Layne Norton agrees with me.
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11-14-2013, 08:45 PM
Or just get Amino IV and get both at once
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