High prolactin

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by daAMx View Post

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18485464 (Flowering Quince aka Mu Gua, effect on DA reuptake)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17467918 (Rhodiola in COMT polymorphisism)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12413724 (Turmeric on MAO-A)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20036304 (Syrian Rue on MAO-A/B)

    http://www.biolreprod.org/content/33/3/637 (Prolactin involvement in 5-alpha-reductase)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2943108 (*Hyperprolactinaemia and 5-AR)
    http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/...-baldness.html

    (Article on Prolactin and MPB)
    Thanks I only care about the 5ar an prolactin relationship.
    So it seems one study on rats suggest lowering prolactin will decrease 5ar activity.
    And another done on humans shows increased prolactin lowers 5ar activity.

  6. I wouldn't want to do anything that lowered DHT.

  7. this thread just got better...daAMX you have been repped
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  8. Maybe I am just being dumb about this, but I am confused. So are we saying that low prolactin can cause issues with DHT and libido? I always thought it was high prolactin that was the problem.

    Sorry if I am missing it, but I am missing it.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Maybe I am just being dumb about this, but I am confused. So are we saying that low prolactin can cause issues with DHT and libido? I always thought it was high prolactin that was the problem.

    Sorry if I am missing it, but I am missing it.
    If you are confused on this, well you have company. I, too, have understood high prolactin was bad, bad, bad for libido.

  10. It really is ridiculous because a quick Google search now shows an equal amount of articles saying high prolactin causes low libido, low energy, and depression and the others equate this to low prolactin. Does anyone really have any idea?

    edit- called into my doc about this because it is annoying. I asked his take and he told me just what we are finding. "Well, the information is starting to contradict itself through further studies. We can't just try to lower or raise prolactin without addressing everything around it. So, each situation is unique and that is why I don't want you just trying to mess with this stuff because it has a trickle down effect."

    Almost verbatim.

  11. So maybe the answer is too keep it not to low and not to high....Just like with estrogen?. Seems people get the wrong idea with both of these. A supplement comes out that lowers estrogen and people go nuts thinking that you have to keep estrogen extremely low, because that's good right?(joke). Same thing with prolactin....So then people get all confused thinking that they must keep prolactin and estrogen extremely low....Just like the crazy people that see that their canned tuna has a little bit of soy in it and automatically think they are gonna grow boobies!. It's a bit ridiculous.

  12. I'd agree, but all the studies are using people with normal ranges, just higher or lower in that range. So that kind of blows that idea- though I like where you were going with it.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I'd agree, but all the studies are using people with normal ranges, just higher or lower in that range. So that kind of blows that idea- though I like where you were going with it.
    Contrary to popular belief studies aren't the be all end all of authority or truth.

  14. We all know that, but there has to be a point that they are taken into account.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    We all know that, but there has to be a point that they are taken into account.
    I agree they need to be taken into account. All this craziness with trying to lower certain hormones is like I said caused by peoples confusion with certain hormone lowering supplements that people take for a brief period of time(if they're smart). Really, just eat and train correctly, your hormones will take care of themselves. No one should obsess over their hormone levels and try to solve the problem themselves with OTC supplements. If something is truly wrong with you, than go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. Don't just automatically think it's something hormonal because the internet and supplements told you that your hormones are out of whack.

    **I'm not saying specifically you or anyone else. I was talking generally.

  16. OK - that was very helpful.

    Thank you!

  17. Was it? I just wish someone would say if the idea of higher or lower is better for libido. Or is this essentially telling us that it could or could not be an issue depending on other factors, therefore not really saying much.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Was it? I just wish someone would say if the idea of higher or lower is better for libido.
    neither...at least that is what i am getting from the info. just like estrogen, too much can kill libido, but so can too little.

    i think it is best to keep prolactin AND estrogen in range....if prolactin is normally within range occasssional recreational usage of prolactin lowering products will heighten libido in the short term, long term usage will after awhile start to have the opposite effect.

    at least this is my take on the subject....
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  19. Ok, that I get. That is kind of what I was taking away, but was hoping there was more that I wasn't reading correctly. In essence, this is one thing that is better to keep in mid range.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by daAMx View Post
    I've looked around enough forums to see
    people going on a happy spree with these drugs to see some different sides.
    Based on the way people put all these OTC in their systems (myself included in my 20's) trying to look for something, I suspect we will be seeing a curve going even more vertical for TRT use. When I started years ago, I got a lecture from the endo and my doc about what all the OTCs are doing to hormones that people don't realize.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Ok, that I get. That is kind of what I was taking away, but was hoping there was more that I wasn't reading correctly. In essence, this is one thing that is better to keep in mid range.
    Yes, that is how I take it as well.

    Extremes one way or the other = no bueno; or so it now seems.

    I am interested in reading more regarding the belief that nervous system overexcitation might cause P.E and, possibly, full blown impotence.

    I am in a very stressful professional environment lately (actually, the last 3 years, its been non-stop) and I feel burned out - overexcitement gone mad and for too long. Yes, I have noticed a quicker trigger, not to my liking.

  22. Could be adrenal fatigue. I suspect that was what happened to me after being in my career for so long. I basically ride a fight or flight mode throughout 10-12 hours of my day.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Could be adrenal fatigue. I suspect that was what happened to me after being in my career for so long. I basically ride a fight or flight mode throughout 10-12 hours of my day.
    Adrenal fatigue does not exist.
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  24. I don't doubt that you are correct, but all of the endos I saw always mentioned it. They also mentioned that it is a general term that could involve other factors, so my takeaway was that it may not yet be proven.

    Anyway, it was just a thought.
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