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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    It's pretty easy to figure out if something is DSHEA compliant or not TBH. The main things are: 1) has it been used safely as a dietary supplement prior to the 1994 DSHEA act? 2) if no to the first criteria, then is the ingredient widely consumed through our food supply 3) if it's no to (1) and (2) then is there any safety studies done on the ingredient which can validate the ingredient to be safe to use as an ingredient for a dietary supplement.
    I see, thanks for posting that as I actually didn't know the specifics. What does that mean for the 7-OH cortisol compound used in ABE, Reduce XT etc.? I enjoy that compound quite a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    I see, thanks for posting that as I actually didn't know the specifics. What does that mean for the 7-OH cortisol compound used in ABE, Reduce XT etc.? I enjoy that compound quite a lot.
    Don't know, haven't looked it up :P Someone more familiar with supplement adhering or not adhering to DSHEA should have this information or a good idea of it, most probably people more deeply ingrained in the industry :P I recall it being a metabolite of DHEA but I don't know if it's DSHEA compliant or not but I know that the Anacyclus pyrethrum should be compliant and so should the forskolin. So them pulling AB/ABE could simply be a matter that they've just found something superior to what they had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Don't know, haven't looked it up :P Someone more familiar with supplement adhering or not adhering to DSHEA should have this information or a good idea of it, most probably people more deeply ingrained in the industry :P I recall it being a metabolite of DHEA but I don't know if it's DSHEA compliant or not but I know that the Anacyclus pyrethrum should be compliant and so should the forskolin. So them pulling AB/ABE could simply be a matter that they've just found something superior to what they had.
    Yeah I think they are refining their anacyclus extract
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    Yeah I think they are refining their anacyclus extract
    Or maybe even using a new compound, I'm excited to see what the new AB/ABE is going to look and feel like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by touchless21 View Post
    The PES site needs to be fixed because on the "Product Description" of EP, it says "New Formula Coming 11/20/2014", I'm surprised people haven't gone frantic, thinking the new EP is 5 days late when the person who changed the page meant "1/1/2014"
    Now the Erase Pro part of the PES website says, "New Formula 12/10/2013". Will there be any information presented by this date or is it just a goal that may or may not be met? Just curious.
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    Info on that AI ingredient? I'm googling now and all I can find is references to killing cancer cells and anti-bacterial biofilm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaikara View Post
    Info on that AI ingredient? I'm googling now and all I can find is references to killing cancer cells and anti-bacterial biofilm.
    I'm sure Coop is doing the write up on it and will fill us in.
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    All I could find:

    Planta Med., 2009 vol. 75(4) pp. 351-5
    Isolation and biological activities of neomyrrhaol and other terpenes from the resin of Commiphora myrrha

    Su, SL; Duan, JA; Tang, YP; Zhang, X; Yu, L; Jiang, FR; Zhou, W; Luo, D; Ding, AW

    A new cycloartane-type triterpene named cycloartane-1alpha,2alpha,3beta,25-tetraol (neomyrrhaol) (1), along with four known terpenes, sandaracopimaric acid (2), abietic acid (3), 2-methoxy-5-acetoxyfruranogermacr-1(10)-en-6-one (4), and dehydroabietic acid (5) have been isolated from the resin of COMMIPHORA MYRRHA. Their structures were elucidated by means of 1D, 2 D NMR and HR-mass spectroscopy. Compounds 2-5 are known compounds but not previously isolated from the resin of C. MYRRHA. Compounds 4 and 5 exhibited significant aromatase inhibiting activity with IC50 values at 0.2 microM and 0.3 microM, respectively. As shown in the MTT assay, 2, 3, 4, and 5 had inhibitory effects on HUVEC growth with IC50 values of 0.122 microM (2), 0.125 microM (3), 0.069 microM (5). Compounds 1-5 did not inhibit contraction of the isolated uterine and did not protect HUVEC from damage induced by H2O2 at the tested concentration.

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    So is this going to lower cortisol like the original pro did? I personally couldn't take epro for that reason and stuck with regular erase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Would love to see some studies or some reason why this has replaced arimistane. Is this also herbal as well?
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    Coop will do a write up some soon. Then all of your questions will be answered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    Would love to see some studies or some reason why this has replaced arimistane. Is this also herbal as well?
    It had to replace arimistane. It was not DSHEA compliant.
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    What do you guys think about this article?
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/suicide_inhibitors.aspx
    I'm a fan of Ai's, but this kind of freaked me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xam2991 View Post
    What do you guys think about this article?
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/suicide_inhibitors.aspx
    I'm a fan of Ai's, but this kind of freaked me out.
    Well, it makes a good point about the suicide inhibitors vs something that is more transient. But again, you would expect some recycling to occur of the enzymes that have been bound permanently. That said, that was initially what kept me away from any suicide AIs and why I'm not sure why more people don't look into AIs that aren't suicide inhibitors. Because you don't necessarily need or want to crush your estrogen levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 808shredded View Post
    Coop will do a write up some soon. Then all of your questions will be answered.
    I looked into my crystal ball and saw a Coop's Corner over the ingredients. Alas, the ball did not say when.
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    Lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    So is this going to lower cortisol like the original pro did? I personally couldn't take epro for that reason and stuck with regular erase.
    Well the dhea metabolite or arimistane was the compound theorized to lower cortisol which is the lone ingredient in erase and main ingredient in EP so that wouldn't make much sense. It was most likely the additional estrogen lowering properties of EP that made you feel the way it did not cortisol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xhrr View Post

    Well the dhea metabolite or arimistane was the compound theorized to lower cortisol which is the lone ingredient in erase and main ingredient in EP so that wouldn't make much sense. It was most likely the additional estrogen lowering properties of EP that made you feel the way it did not cortisol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I looked into my crystal ball and saw a Coop's Corner over the ingredients. Alas, the ball did not say when.
    What a tease. No bueno.
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    Original formula Erase on sale for $19 today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaikara View Post
    Original formula Erase on sale for $19 today.
    Darn. That's like $1 cheaper than what I bought mine for :P
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    Just in case anyone in here missed these (Coop dropping some info):

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    Erase is one of the few supps of this type that worked only in a positve way. Nothing extreme, but subtle noticeable effects in strength, hardening and libido.
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    So I looked on the nutra website and it says the new version of erase is on target to drop on December 23...
    You PES guys know that day is my birthday right? I'm not even lying either lol that's pretty awesome I think I deserve a gift??
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosemont83 View Post
    So I looked on the nutra website and it says the new version of erase is on target to drop on December 23...
    You PES guys know that day is my birthday right? I'm not even lying either lol that's pretty awesome I think I deserve a gift??
    That's like.. Soon
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    I'm expecting a NP New Year's sale or PES Insider sale for the new EP and ABE.

    I hope to not be disappointed.
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    I shall discuss details of products launches and drop back here is there is any news I can hint at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I shall discuss details of products launches and drop back here is there is any news I can hint at.
    The PES way,

    Whisper a new formulation is in the works,
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    So much teasing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosemont83 View Post
    So I looked on the nutra website and it says the new version of erase is on target to drop on December 23... You PES guys know that day is my birthday right? I'm not even lying either lol that's pretty awesome I think I deserve a gift??
    Same here man...(honestly lol). In for PES bday gifts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    The PES way, Whisper a new formulation is in the works, Drop hints, Coop explains an ingredient or 2, Picture of bottle/tub that gives nothing away, Release date given, Few days before release the ingredients are shown, Coop write up, Insider finally drops So much teasing! There is a such thing as too much foreplay :P Always worth it in the end though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post

    The PES way,

    Whisper a new formulation is in the works,
    Drop hints,
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    Release date given,
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    Coop write up,
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    So much teasing!
    There is a such thing as too much foreplay :P

    Always worth it in the end though!
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    I am definitely interested in whether or not there will be an insider deal for new Erase/Epro/ABE. I am pretty well-stocked on the old versions from some of the crazy sales that have hit the shelves, but who could pass up a great insider deal and a chance to compare formulas???
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrub42 View Post
    I am definitely interested in whether or not there will be an insider deal for new Erase/Epro/ABE. I am pretty well-stocked on the old versions from some of the crazy sales that have hit the shelves, but who could pass up a great insider deal and a chance to compare formulas???
    My guess and hope is yes
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    The funny thing about the PES way is we don't hype products much ourselves.

    A lot of new releases and reformulations get posted by shrewd customers rather than us trying to hype the crap out of our own products.

    It is better when customers do the talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    The funny thing about the PES way is we don't hype products much ourselves.

    A lot of new releases and reformulations get posted by shrewd customers rather than us trying to hype the crap out of our own products.

    It is better when customers do the talking.
    PES definitely had a loyal and dedicated following
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    PES definitely has a loyal and dedicated following
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    Can't wait! New Epro will definitely be a new game changer! The literature on it looks extremely promising!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    The funny thing about the PES way is we don't hype products much ourselves.

    A lot of new releases and reformulations get posted by shrewd customers rather than us trying to hype the crap out of our own products.

    It is better when customers do the talking.
    That's one of the things I love about you guys. This is also reflected in the packaging. So many companies use containers that are far too large for the amount of supplement content, often twice the size if what is needed to give the illusion of there being more product. But this isn't the case with you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post

    That's one of the things I love about you guys. This is also reflected in the packaging. So many companies use containers that are far too large for the amount of supplement content, often twice the size if what is needed to give the illusion of there being more product. But this isn't the case with you guys.
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