Can x-gels be taken with Epistane?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    ArA is very versatile so there is no right answer. I know of people using it with AAS and getting great results. Others swear it helps them keep gains during PCT.
    I still want to know what everyone expects to get from it on cycle?

    To me it would be like taking a test booster while on TRT, or Fadogia when pinning HCG.

    What am I missing?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    Assuming the epistane cycle is 4 weeks, why not take X gels throughout cycle and pct
    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    Somebody is very wrong here! Some say only pct others say on cycle
    ^^^ Best of both worlds! I really like this idea right here
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  3. I'd probably start the X-Gels two weeks into the EPI that way they are in full effect at the end of the cycle
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    I still want to know what everyone expects to get from it on cycle?

    To me it would be like taking a test booster while on TRT, or Fadogia when pinning HCG.

    What am I missing?
    Muscle growth from ArA and AAS occur through different mechanisms. While both increase protein synthesis ArA promotes growth through additional mechanisms as well.

    I have contacted William about getting you a more detailed answered.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    ArA is very versatile so there is no right answer. I know of people using it with AAS and getting great results. Others swear it helps them keep gains during PCT.
    Having used ArA both on cycle and in PCT for me anyway it was more effective on cycle. My PCT wasn't as effective as I had hoped. I used OG X-Factor on cycle and ran X-Gels for PCT. Keep in mind this was like 10 years apart from each other. LOL
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  6. I can confirm, ArA either on cycle or during PCT is awesome and well worth the inclusion.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    Muscle growth from ArA and AAS occur through different mechanisms. While both increase protein synthesis ArA promotes growth through additional mechanisms as well.

    I have contacted William about getting you a more detailed answered.
    You can only put on so much muscle at a time; Hormonally enhanced or not. Stacking the two seems to be a matter of deminoshed returns IMO. The Epi is going to do all the muscle building he needs.

    Def in for more answers.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    You can only put on so much muscle at a time; Hormonally enhanced or not. Stacking the two seems to be a matter of deminoshed returns IMO. The Epi is going to do all the muscle building he needs.

    Def in for more answers.
    Um. No.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Um. No.
    Says the SNS rep, but please entertain me why.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Says the SNS rep, but please entertain me why.
    Yup you're right i'm only here to sell product. You know me so well.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I can confirm, ArA either on cycle or during PCT is awesome and well worth the inclusion.
    I havent done it. But I would think it woud be a boost during cycle. Speeding up brake down - recovery?

    I never tried em becuase im not sure how it would effect my psoriasis

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    You can only put on so much muscle at a time; Hormonally enhanced or not. Stacking the two seems to be a matter of deminoshed returns IMO. The Epi is going to do all the muscle building he needs.

    Def in for more answers.
    Increasing the dose of a single anabolic agent often leads to diminished returns, stacking multiple anabolic compounds (or in this case supplements) is generally the preferred route to getting the most out of your cycle.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    Says the SNS rep, but please entertain me why.
    Lol
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Increasing the dose of a single anabolic agent often leads to diminished returns, stacking multiple anabolic compounds (or in this case supplements) is generally the preferred route to getting the most out of your cycle.
    You don't count either, you're a rep
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  15. I would never stack the two. Doesn't make sense to me. Ara is close to a ph. Save it for Pct. Other things to stack Epi wit like stano.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    I would never stack the two. Doesn't make sense to me. Ara is close to a ph. Save it for Pct. Other things to stack Epi wit like stano.
    Ah, ArA is no where near close to a PH. 2 completely different things man.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Ah, ArA is no where near close to a PH. 2 completely different things man.
    Not in terms of it being a ph. I meant in terms of gains. You could gain a good 5lbs on Ara
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Not in terms of it being a ph. I meant in terms of gains. You could gain a good 5lbs on Ara
    While ArA is effective on cycle or during pct, I do agree with the notion that a cycle of X-Factor is as effective as a cycle of the pretty much any of the PH's currently left on the market.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    While ArA is effective on cycle or during pct, I do agree with the notion that a cycle of X-Factor is as effective as a cycle of the pretty much any of the PH's currently left on the market.
    Dafuk?

    No way
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Dafuk?

    No way
    There arent many worthwhile PH's left, and seeing as many people gain 5-8lbs on a cycle of X-Factor (and many, including others in this thread mention ArA working as well for them as PH's) I would certainly say my post is absolutely correct.

    Perhaps you will gain 1-2lbs more on one of the better PH's still around (Halodrol, Epistane)... and then lose a couple lbs in pct, which doesnt happen with X-Factor. PH's, which rarely give better results than a cycle of ArA, also come with a hefty price tag in terms of potential for side effects.

    Your own company is marketing ArA as the true prohormone alternative on this very forum... lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    There arent many worthwhile PH's left, and seeing as many people gain 5-8lbs on a cycle of X-Factor (and many, including others in this thread mention ArA working as well for them as PH's) I would certainly say my post is absolutely correct.

    Perhaps you will gain 1-2lbs more on one of the better PH's still around (Halodrol, Epistane)... and then lose a couple lbs in pct, which doesnt happen with X-Factor. PH's, which rarely give better results than a cycle of ArA, also come with a hefty price tag in terms of potential for side effects.

    Your own company is marketing ArA as the true prohormone alternative on this very forum... lol
    They are similar to weak PHs, yes.

    My own company might market them as an alternative, because they are. Did we say that "X-Gels are as effective as a cycle of the pretty much any of the PH's currently left on the market"?

    No.

    To say that X factor is "as strong as pretty much any PH on the market" is taking it waaaaay too far.

    Let me name a few that will own the **** out of X Factor:
    H drol
    Epi
    DMZ
    Mechabol
    Methylstenbolone
    P mag

    And that is just off the top of my head.

    No one is gaining 5-8 lbs of pure muscle with a cycle of X factor.

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  22. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post

    They are similar to weak PHs, yes.

    My own company might market them as an alternative, because they are. Did we say that "X-Gels are as effective as a cycle of the pretty much any of the PH's currently left on the market"?

    No.

    To say that X factor is "as strong as pretty much any PH on the market" is taking it waaaaay too far.

    Let me name a few that will own the **** out of X Factor:
    H drol
    Epi
    DMZ
    Mechabol
    Methylstenbolone
    P mag

    And that is just off the top of my head.

    No one is gaining 5-8 lbs of pure muscle with a cycle of X factor.
    no marketing bull**** here, props to you..

  23. Whoever says ara or x-factor is as good as a PH is full of s&$t. I do love ara but it defiantly isn't as good as a PH.

  24. Both PHs and ArA are great for muscle gains. There are pros and cons of each. The most I have heard of was 10 lbs gained on a ArA cycle, although that is not the norm. I would say a 5lbs muscle gain is definitely possible during a 50 day cycle of ArA.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    Both PHs and ArA are great for muscle gains. There are pros and cons of each. The most I have heard of was 10 lbs gained on a ArA cycle, although that is not the norm. I would say a 5lbs muscle gain is definitely possible during a 50 day cycle of ArA.
    Ara can be best compared in gains with a moderately dosed cycle of 11-oxo or 1-dhea.And it gives more gains than an ostarine cycle.But every methyl i know is stronger.All personal experience
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