Topical 11-Ketotestosterone from Iron Legion?

[Grayson]

Is this a natural supplement or prohormone? From the stuff I've found, it's what 11-OXO converts to?

Is this safe? Would it require PCT?

 

[JD261985]

Its a hormone I just picked up 6 bottles

 

[Mission1]

Some say yes to a pct and some say yes to a pct. OTC pct like Testforce 2 and erase will do the job. I ran it at full dose in capsules for 8 weeks. My pct was 6 oxo. No problem.

 

[3clipseGT]

Definitely run at the very least some Testforce 2. If it were me id run what mission stated. Testforce 2 with erase or erase pro and you would be all set.

 

[xhrr]

I've seen Patrick state that PCT is not necessary with 11 keto. He said even TF2 is not necessary unless you want to give him money.

 

[BBB]

Pat's 11 keto requires 30 pumps twice a day to be effective how much does IL recommend?

 

[SPLocal]

Its a hormone I just picked up 6 bottles

Well that escalated quickly

 

[JD261985]

Well that escalated quickly

LMAO

 

[JD261985]

Pat's 11 keto requires 30 pumps twice a day to be effective how much does IL recommend?

No you want to only spray in the morning with that. Roughly 80 sprays equals 240 mg 11 ketotestosterone. You do not want to use 11 ketotest at night time. I forget the reasoning but I emailed prototype and they told me this specifically

 

[uubiduu]

How long does it take for topical 11-kt to clear the body?btw its not explicitly mentioned on the wada list but 7-kt is.thats somewhat strange as 7-kt has no perfotmance enhancing properties.can 11-kt be considered as natty because it is taken with food by eating fish?and thetefore its not possible to ban it like creatine?

 

[3clipseGT]

How long does it take for topical 11-kt to clear the body?btw its not explicitly mentioned on the wada list but 7-kt is.thats somewhat strange as 7-kt has no perfotmance enhancing properties.can 11-kt be considered as natty because it is taken with food by eating fish?and thetefore its not possible to ban it like creatine?

If dealing with WADA i would not chance it. Is there anyway you can email someone from wada to check? Im assuming that if they have banned 7-keto, 11-keto would be in there as well.

 

[uubiduu]

If dealing with WADA i would not chance it. Is there anyway you can email someone from wada to check? Im assuming that if they have banned 7-keto, 11-keto would be in there as well.

I decided not to take it this time but give x-gels another chance.but out of interest is it possible to naturally ingest 11-kt by eating lots of fish?

 

[henryv]

How long does it take for topical 11-kt to clear the body?

I don't know, but topical administration probably lengthens detection times.

btw its not explicitly mentioned on the wada list but 7-kt is.thats somewhat strange as 7-kt has no performance enhancing properties.can 11-kt be considered as natty because it is taken with food by eating fish?and thetefore its not possible to ban it like creatine?

All natural anabolic hormones are banned by WADA when administered exogenously, which by extension includes 11-ketotestosterone despite it not being named specifically. Athletes subject to WADA rules should avoid this and other hormones.

 

[johnnybeegood]

i am glad i am not subject to any rules or governing bodies or any of that crap. :: bathes in 11-kt::

 

[SwolenONE]

Pat's 11 keto requires 30 pumps twice a day to be effective how much does IL recommend?

Unsure if Pat's still making this but if so I would recommend buying from him. Always support innovators to keep this industry moving forward.

 

[Jiigzz]

I decided not to take it this time but give x-gels another chance.but out of interest is it possible to naturally ingest 11-kt by eating lots of fish?

You'd have to eat ALOT of fish.

 

[harbonah]

No you want to only spray in the morning with that. Roughly 80 sprays equals 240 mg 11 ketotestosterone. You do not want to use 11 ketotest at night time. I forget the reasoning but I emailed prototype and they told me this specifically

11kt has an odd stimulant effect and if taken to late==nasty insomnia! But its amazing pre workout!

 

[harbonah]

Is this a natural supplement or prohormone? From the stuff I've found, it's what 11-OXO converts to?

Is this safe? Would it require PCT?

How long does it take for topical 11-kt to clear the body?btw its not explicitly mentioned on the wada list but 7-kt is.thats somewhat strange as 7-kt has no perfotmance enhancing properties.can 11-kt be considered as natty because it is taken with food by eating fish?and thetefore its not possible to ban it like creatine?

If its not on the wada banned list it is an oversight, nothing is natty to them. But it is 100% DSHEA compliant. I love the stuff!

 

[mr.cooper69]

I will be running it solo shortly. I'll keep you posted on the results

 

[mr.cooper69]

Unsure if Pat's still making this but if so I would recommend buying from him. Always support innovators to keep this industry moving forward.

Iron legion is one of the most innovative brands in existence. They deserve just as much support as PA.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

I will be running it solo shortly. I'll keep you posted on the results

What dose?

 

[mr.cooper69]

What dose?

As recommended: 1-1.5 mL a day

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Its liquid. Did not know.

 

[henryv]

Its liquid. Did not know.

It's a topical product (for external use only).

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

It's a topical product (for external use only).

Thx mate.

 

[BBB]

No you want to only spray in the morning with that. Roughly 80 sprays equals 240 mg 11 ketotestosterone. You do not want to use 11 ketotest at night time. I forget the reasoning but I emailed prototype and they told me this specifically

You don't have enough skin for 80 sprays at one time unless you put it on heavy and waste product.

 

[AndroRage]

What the amount/dosage of the hormone that is used for muscle building and anabolic purposes for oral ingestion & for topical?

 

[BigGame84]

Any advantage to stacking 11-KT spray with the oral version, 11-OXO? Probably a dumb question but figured I'd just ask..

 

[BigGame84]

I will be running it solo shortly. I'll keep you posted on the results

What's your PCT look like? To my knowledge, this doesn't need a SERM.

 

[mr.cooper69]

What's your PCT look like? To my knowledge, this doesn't need a SERM.

I don't do illegal stuff anyway. Just gonna be using Erase Pro

 

[drinkyboy]

Starting mine tomorrow also but not logging.

 

[mw1]

Starting mine tomorrow also but not logging.

Post some feedback if you can

 

[nabil38]

hello coop and everyone i'm not familliar with this product I have ordered one bottle of this stuff ,for my cut but i fear because i don't know anithing in mild ph or dosage schem
i need cycle support?
serm and pct?
1bottle for 4week?
sorry for this question thank's again for a french cross'lifter

 

[AndroRage]

hello coop and everyone i'm not familliar with this product I have ordered one bottle of this stuff ,for my cut but i fear because i don't know anithing in mild ph or dosage schem
i need cycle support?
serm and pct?
1bottle for 4week?
sorry for this question thank's again for a french cross'lifter

Maybe you should have planned a little prior to ordering the product? Would have been the logical thing to do... It worries me when you say "I don't know anything in mild ph" LOL

However you could get on cycle ancillaries, although it does appear to be pretty mild but better to be safe than sorry. Maybe look at fish oils, something for potential bp issues (something like AI cycle support, pretty basic) and I'm not sure of how suppressive this is but have a pct in place prior to starting hormonal products. Might be good with OTC pct. Fail to prepare and prepare to fail.

 

[nabil38]

lool i'm little educated but i'have use several natty product (xfa,ABE,ERASE,E.pro) but never use 11-KT i have exagered situation but i know a little in the PH but 11-KT is natural occuring compound...PA says the 11-KT spray don't need anything in pct and cycle support

 

[xhrr]

lool i'm little educated but i'have use several natty product (xfa,ABE,ERASE,E.pro) but never use 11-KT i have exagered situation but i know a little in the PH but 11-KT is natural occuring compound...PA says the 11-KT spray don't need anything in pct and cycle support

You may run a half dose of a cycle support type product while on 11kt it wouldn't hurt and could have some positive effect on general health assuming your purchase a decent product. PCT although PA who I trust when it comes to this compound says you don't once again a natural booster wouldn't hurt and you can use it as an excuse to run a product you like or want to try. I recommend Bioforge.

 

[amarula]

I will be running it solo shortly. I'll keep you posted on the results

Interested to see if you can compare it against Ara

 

[drinkyboy]

Post some feedback if you can

Will do. I'm running it solo to get a feel for it and what it does.

 

[johnnybeegood]

agreed on Iron Legion. they make awesome products imho!

 

[Grayson]

I don't do illegal stuff anyway. Just gonna be using Erase Pro

Hey coop, how are you liking this?

 

[Geoforce]

I may give this stuff a go around March. Excellent for cutting I would assume.

 

[Monte Brogan]

Unsure if Pat's still making this but if so I would recommend buying from him. Always support innovators to keep this industry moving forward.

I asked PA recently about this. He said its not coming back.

I'm researching the side effect profile right now. I'm interested I'm trying this.

Monte

 

[Geoforce]

I asked PA recently about this. He said its not coming back.

I'm researching the side effect profile right now. I'm interested I'm trying this.

Monte

Share what you find

 

[mr.cooper69]

I had zero sides honestly. And didn't feel anything besides improved vascularity. But it's not about feel...it's about the mirror

 

[Geoforce]

I had zero sides honestly. And didn't feel anything besides improved vascularity. But it's not about feel...it's about the mirror

How would it work on a cut coop"

 

[mr.cooper69]

How would it work on a cut coop"

It seems to preserve strength on a cut and allow you to eat more while losing bodyfat. I actually did not lose any weight on my 11-kt run but all my pants became loose on me to the point that I could no longer wear them and had to buy new ones. It seems very effective for removing midsection fat

 

[AnabolicHolic]

7 and 11 are both effective at burning midsection fat. I've even stacked 7/11 topicals with great results. Or add ur spray to 7 or 11 as a stack...all good stuff.

 

[amarula]

I had zero sides honestly. And didn't feel anything besides improved vascularity. But it's not about feel...it's about the mirror

Is it possible to have some impact in blood pressure?

 

[drinkyboy]

Ur and 11 sounds like fun. May have to run it in the near future.

 

[rosemont83]

So between the 11-kt solo and IL triumphalis and dienazone together..
Also looks like people run the 11-kt with triumphalis..
Which would be the better route as far as efficacy and safety?
Don't really want to go hardcore PH's and NEED a PCT..