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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Changed my Avi too.
    I did too. Although, it was purely coincidental.
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    Btw, I've seen you talking about running the gels, I have a lot. I've always wanted to run derma, see where I'm going with this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    The 17+ lbs you're holding now is from DMZ.

    This is very black and white and not hard to understand. I'm saying that X-Gels in a 50 day cycle can net someone the same results as a PH that will elicit gains of 10lbs. People see what 8-12 on halo right? Then lose a few in PCT. The gains made with X-Gels aren't lost during a recovery period and there's no negative hormone effects.
    Okay you 2 just go inject those perma myosatin inhibitors and circle jerk while you both explode to over 270 lbs,pull a ronnie coleman and get several back surgerys and continue to overgrow till your tendons and ligaments just give out.


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    Seriously though. Apples to oranges. Although...xgels ,ursolic acid transdermal and anabeta is the best 7+lb natural stack you can get given diet is on point.

    Yes ara is a natural anabolic this is proven.

    No you wont get the same gains on steroids*30+keepable gains off of testE with a dbol kicker* but you will gain additional mass of maybe 7 lbs in 8 or 10 weeks additional to your natural gains of maybe 1 to 3 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    nice
    I applaud the intelligent course, as it is really THAT simple
    if you have not mastered the natty realm & diet, then venture not into steroid-land
    easier said than done? well probably, since noobs jump off into methylated orals ~21 yrs of age (or younger!) every day..
    is why I applaud you friend, for taking the intelligent road
    cheers
    Thank you. Appreciate it!
    It is very hard work but thank god my body works faster than most others I've witnessed. Just gotta figure out this stim tolerant crap and figure out why most things don't affect me. It's not only the supps that my body doesn't respond to correctly. I used to have to drink crap loads of alcohol to get f***** up. Penicillin and Amoxicillin have literally no effect on me. Weird stuff! I'm not even a big guy..

    I wonder if PH's would really even do much haha <------------(not srs)

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Okay you 2 just go inject those perma myosatin inhibitors and circle jerk while you both explode to over 270 lbs,pull a ronnie coleman and get several back surgerys and continue to overgrow till your tendons and ligaments just give out.


    Jks!
    Seriously though. Apples to oranges. Although...xgels ,ursolic acid transdermal and anabeta is the best 7+lb natural stack you can get given diet is on point.

    Yes ara is a natural anabolic this is proven.

    No you wont get the same gains on steroids*30+keepable gains off of testE with a dbol kicker* but you will gain additional mass of maybe 7 lbs in 8 or 10 weeks additional to your natural gains of maybe 1 to 3 lbs.

    What ever you choose, results will depend on diet and training.
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    Are the DOMS from ARA really that bad? I've read like 3 reviews of people whining about it. Boo-hoo
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Are the DOMS from ARA really that bad? I've read like 3 reviews of people whining about it. Boo-hoo
    I remember people saying not to take NSAIDS on ARA or it somewhat defeats the purpose, however fish-oil may help with the soreness. Either way, it's not pleasant.
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    I personally like DOMS, with the exception of when I come back after a long lay off. Then it can inhibit normal movement lol. Thank God for the handicap bars in the restroom or post leg day toilet use poses a challenge lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    I personally like DOMS, with the exception of when I come back after a long lay off. Then it can inhibit normal movement lol. Thank God for the handicap bars in the restroom or post leg day toilet use poses a challenge lol.
    I enjoy some soreness as well, however when it becomes debilitating is when it's not fun anymore. What's the point of being in shape if you can't even walk around and do normal day to day functions because you feel like a giant sac of lactic acid and free radicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I remember people saying not to take NSAIDS on ARA or it somewhat defeats the purpose, however fish-oil may help with the soreness. Either way, it's not pleasant.
    I am not sure about this, but I seem to remember someone saying to avoid fish oil as well as any anti inflammatory may inhibit ARA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I am not sure about this, but I seem to remember someone saying to avoid fish oil as well as any anti inflammatory may inhibit ARA.
    You're probably right. It was eons ago that I took ARA.
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    I know ibuprofen and NSAIDs are a no no as they are an anti inflammatory and work against one of the pathways.

    See Jiigzz post a few pages back or just wiki ARA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I did too. Although, it was purely coincidental.

    I see how it is, eff you too bro!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Are the DOMS from ARA really that bad? I've read like 3 reviews of people whining about it. Boo-hoo
    I love how it feels! I'm masochistic as **** tho, so it may be a nuisance to you as ArA can and does increase DOMS for a lot of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    I know ibuprofen and NSAIDs are a no no as they are an anti inflammatory and work against one of the pathways.

    See Jiigzz post a few pages back or just wiki ARA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I enjoy some soreness as well, however when it becomes debilitating is when it's not fun anymore. What's the point of being in shape if you can't even walk around and do normal day to day functions because you feel like a giant sac of lactic acid and free radicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Awe Jimmy poo don't be like that to me... the offer stands for you too did you get the BPS rep spot? On my phone I see no sigs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Yep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Congrats man! It's about time you applied somewhere
    Yeah, I just had to wait for the right company to start looking lol!
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    As others have said, X-Factor/arachidonic acid can be a great, safe alternative to prohormones that can offer a similar amount of gains to anything currently legal.
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    What about endosurge, X gels, anabeta...mmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    What about endosurge, X gels, anabeta...mmmm
    I've been wanting to try Anabeta but to be honest, the apple cider vinegar seems to do a great job with digestion and glucose management already, and it's cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    What about endosurge, X gels, anabeta...mmmm
    Drool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I've been wanting to try Anabeta but to be honest, the apple cider vinegar seems to do a great job with digestion and glucose management already, and it's cheap.
    whoa whoa whoa hold up. you have NEVER used Anabeta before? oh man, somebody send this man a bottle to log.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post

    whoa whoa whoa hold up. you have NEVER used Anabeta before? oh man, somebody send this man a bottle to log.
    I'd never used it until this run I just started last week lol
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    Never using anabeta is something that you should keep to yourself lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I'd never used it until this run I just started last week lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I've been wanting to try Anabeta but to be honest, the apple cider vinegar seems to do a great job with digestion and glucose management already, and it's cheap.
    Not sure what you're trying to say here?
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    Gotta say I didn't really experience Anabeta the same way as everyone seems to preach. Ran back to back bottles but when all was said a done, I just didn't see the value at $70 for both.

    Everyone is different I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Gotta say I didn't really experience Anabeta the same way as everyone seems to preach. Ran back to back bottles but when all was said a done, I just didn't see the value at $70 for both.

    Everyone is different I guess...
    No there are a few of you around. Yourself, mission and a few others didn't really respond to it. At least you tried it tho. I'd have to give OG another shot but I don't remember being all that impressed by it. I did however like Elite for the recomp effects but I credit the forskolin and included cortisol control for that.
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    That's the point. Each person is different. You can't really compare one set of genetics to another for many things.

    Typically a skinny guy will respond better to a very hardcore PH and keep their gains because muscle fascia stretching is an important limiting factor to them. Still it's not 20lbs of muscle in 3 weeks, since that is pretty tough for the body to do I bet 90 percent of the people who clam that could add up their protein intake and it wouldn't come close to 20lbs. lol

    Thus the allure of the methyl PH is the water gain. There are basically two types, intra-cellular and extra-cellular. Harsh PH's work on intra-cellular water retention which is why you get painful back spasms.

    Natural PH's for the most part don't have those effects, but the mass gain is there, just slower and higher quality. The issue with methylated compounds is that they hang around the body for a very long time. This isn't a good thing since that is what often causes the liver issues past people ingesting them.

    Most experienced people will tell you that methyl compounds are just not worth the negatives. I personally love how I feel on androgens, thus I take them all the time but I won't do anything methylated at all these days because I just don't want the side effects.
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    Good insight, right there. ^^

    I've ran 2 methyls to date and can see how my perception has completely changed. I did gain 20lbs this last run but that's my first truly successful run and obviously not all of it is pure muscle. +17 now 2 weeks into PCT but weight is going up again finally. I actually want to go back to straight natty products for a while and gain for a few more years before my next venture. I got plenty in the natty tank
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Not sure what you're trying to say here?
    Isn't Anabeta basically just a GDA?? I may be way off base here because I haven't paid much attention to it before. Apple Cider Vinegar also works like a GDA and I can always tell a difference when I take it and when I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Isn't Anabeta basically just a GDA?? I may be way off base here because I haven't paid much attention to it before. Apple Cider Vinegar also works like a GDA and I can always tell a difference when I take it and when I don't.
    It's a natural anabolic and yes has some GDA properties but one cannot compare ACV to Anabeta as they are totally different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    It's a natural anabolic and yes has some GDA properties but one cannot compare ACV to Anabeta as they are totally different.
    I might have to step out of the stone ages and try some of this here Anabeta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I might have to step out of the stone ages and try some of this here Anabeta.
    Everyone should try it at least once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Thoughts?
    I'm only a week or so in (maybe 2), the increased appetite is noticeable at this point.

    If I see a noticeable enough increase in my total at the meet in Dec then I'll comfortably say that prime and AB have a noticeable strength boost.

    I'm also running them for 12 weeks, FWIW.
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    See, I didn't see any effects with anabeta elite like I did with og anabeta. When I cut, I like to use anabeta + forskolin so I get the full dose of forskolin
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    See, I didn't see any effects with anabeta elite like I did with og anabeta. When I cut, I like to use anabeta + forskolin so I get the full dose of forskolin
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    After reading a ton of Anabeta logs, most are reporting Anabeta OG is best for bulking and Anabeta Elite is best for recomp/cut. I used Anabeta Elite for 8 weeks during a PCT and agree with the other loggers. Good product experience for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosemont83 View Post
    Bulking right now with og Anabeta and forskolin..
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile

    looks like we have a nut specialist in here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    I'd challenge someone to a friendly little wager of me on X-Gels vs them on Halo. From start to finish, finish being a month or so post PCT, the outcomes would be very similar. My results might be a little better
    How about you send me 2 bottles of X-Gels and ill run them, then I'll compare that to a run of a mild PH, shortly after the X-Gels.. If X-Gels lives up, I'll send you $ for the X-Gels. Same diet, same routine.
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    well since this thread got bumped, please allow me to share the latest, in response to OG thread title:

    FINAFLEX presents....

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    well since this thread got bumped, please allow me to share the latest, in response to OG thread title:

    FINAFLEX presents....

    cheers
    So, this will be nothing like your previous 550 XD product which had numerous side effects?
  

  
 

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