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  1. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    I never said it wasn't a fantastic alternative. I did say that it would not yield the same gains as something that would require a PCT. You seem to be just grabbing the facts what you want to hear and disregarding my whole point and that they're not the same as a mild ph.


    And seriously, you're going to take one look at my avatar and decide that I don't know anything. Or maybe you went into my threads and saw that I ran a cycle once. Either way I think you would have been better off sticking to your argument with logic instead of insulting me. For your information I actually went through a very traumatic event after getting to 225 all natural and I lost close to 30 pounds. I happen to be very happy with how I look right now considering I have still gained 40 pounds of LBM in the 4 years including the entire year where I was almost bedridden. So cut on me all you want all I'm ever going to do is compare my results to my results
    I'd challenge someone to a friendly little wager of me on X-Gels vs them on Halo. From start to finish, finish being a month or so post PCT, the outcomes would be very similar. My results might be a little better
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  2. Btw I never insulted you. I remained professional while you insulted me calling me a prick etc. I was commenting merely on your experience level. You've ran two from what I've counted (hdrol and the other thread you referred to which I had no idea about) cycles and have relatively little to show for it. You're recommending someone follow in your footsteps with a mild PH including the risks, while they could get the same results with a more sustainable and healthier alternative. My logic is off?

    You may not like what I have to say but I'd prefer to sway someone in a more beneficial direction when first starting out, than making the same mistakes you made with your cycle. The trend on these forums is people jump head first into steroids without knowing their heads from their assess, feel and look awesome for the length of the cycle and then.... back to square one, which means time for SD lol, it's asinine.

    I'm sorry to hear about your personal problems. I sincerely hope everything is on the up and up now.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    I'd challenge someone to a friendly little wager of me on X-Gels vs them on Halo. From start to finish, finish being a month or so post PCT, the outcomes would be very similar. My results might be a little better
    This sounds like a lot of fun.

    You vs 6andahalf lol WAR!!
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  4. I'm still trying to figure out of Xgels are the way to roll. Everyone just started to measure how big their peckers were and sorta got off target.

  5. I would love to log xgels with dermacrine one day
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  6. I have been told Xgels have a nice synergistic effect with AAS/PH been thinking about logging them with a nice stack. I think Spaniard does have a point when it comes to a lot of users as they do not have pct figured out and loose a lot of their gains from cycle. But a veteran should not be loosing those gains other then glycogen and water.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I have been told Xgels have a nice synergistic effect with AAS/PH been thinking about logging them with a nice stack. I think Spaniard does have a point when it comes to a lot of users as they do not have pct figured out and loose a lot of their gains from cycle. But a veteran should not be loosing those gains other then glycogen and water.
    Having been with CEL and SNS for many years I cant tell you how many times ive seen people lose their gains by slackibg on diet and training in pct- its probably the number 1 mistake

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Having been with CEL and SNS for many years I cant tell you how many times ive seen people lose their gains by slackibg on diet and training in pct- its probably the number 1 mistake
    Oh I get your point and I am sure of it! that is why I qualified my statement with "should not" because there will always be some even with the ones that should know better.


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  9. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    Im at 5 years training and I can say 6 to 10 is decent for me aswell. I miss the doms I got from my first atg squat haha! Still get doms but not that 4 days bow legged walk kinda doms.
    Haha I hear you! A good 20 rep finisher atg will still having me pulling myself out of my car with the help of both arms 3 days later.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Yea, your avatar and stats indicate that even with all those hormones you ran/run, that you know exuberant amounts of what you're preaching here.
    Um yea about not immediately insulting me after my post...

    I mean how can you think attacking my results in a picture via assumption is not insulting. I started at 168 lbs 4 years ago. I was also immobilized for 10 months in that time frame. In my eyes, if you hadn't assumed you would know for a 6'6" ecto that's probably not all that bad. I am 208 @ -10% and have been 225 all natty at one point before the immobilization. I've done one cycle before my current DMZ cycle and it didn't go as well as it could have. Not a failure... but a "first time" like many guys have.

    And now there is a wager you created? Haha that is actually kind of a cool idea. Why don't you send me some Xgels instead when I'm recovered and we can duke it out in a way your company would love you for haha. Two dude bragging about how much better they gain on xgels. Or I can just run DMZ again and well all see what happens haha. Hope you can gain 20lbs on those things! Jk I'm done with with the arguing though, man. And I would really do the xgels thing if you wanted... only good things can come of it for you. Its not like you are going to be able to accurately gauge progress between our extremely dif body types, though.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post

    Um yea about not immediately insulting me after my post...

    I mean how can you think attacking my results in a picture via assumption is not insulting. I started at 168 lbs 4 years ago. I was also immobilized for 10 months in that time frame. In my eyes, if you hadn't assumed you would know for a 6'6" ecto that's probably not all that bad. I am 208 @ -10% and have been 225 at one point before the immobilization. I've done one cycle before my current DMZ cycle and it didn't go well haha

    And now there is a wager you created? Haha that is actually kind of a cool idea. Why don't you send me some Xgels instead when I'm recovered and we can duke it out in a way your company would love you for haha. Two dude bragging about how much better they gain on xgels. Or I can just run DMZ again and well all see what happens haha. Hope you can gain 20lbs on those things! Jk I'm done with with the arguing though, man. And I would really do the xgels thing if you wanted... only good things can come of it for you. Its not like you are going to be able to accurately gauge progress between our extremely dif body types, though.
    Hey I called dibs on logging first!!!
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post

    Hey I called dibs on logging first!!!
    Haha no sweat man. But company reps should really start hosting competition oriented logs. What a PR dream...

  13. Was gonna stay out, considering i'm an SNS rep, but without actually trying X-gels your assumptions are little more than guesses. When run properly, (including LCLT/ baby aspirin and GMS (baby aspirin to inhibit the COX1 pathway; but not COX2) leads to increases in PGF 2 alpha and PGE2 which increase protein synthesis. The PGF 2 alpha pathway is increased with a COX1 inhibitor (hence why one is suggested on cycle) and in the presence of exercise.

    Also important is that you avoid COX2 inhibitors like ibuprofen because that inhibits COX2 which is one of the pathways it is reliant on. As an aside, because it works by increasing PGE2, it may promote hair growth in balding males.

    I'm confident that if you ran it in this way that you would absolutely see results.
    Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Was gonna stay out, considering i'm an SNS rep, but without actually trying X-gels your assumptions are little more than guesses. When run properly, (including LCLT/ baby aspirin and GMS (baby aspirin to inhibit the COX1 pathway; but not COX2) leads to increases in PGF 2 alpha and PGE2 which increase protein synthesis. The PGF 2 alpha pathway is increased with a COX1 inhibitor (hence why one is suggested on cycle) and in the presence of exercise.

    Also important is that you avoid COX2 inhibitors like ibuprofen because that inhibits COX2 which is one of the pathways it is reliant on. As an aside, because it works by increasing PGE2, it may promote hair growth in balding males.

    I'm confident that if you ran it in this way that you would absolutely see results.
    How do you think it would stack with Dermacrine then? I'm planning on either doing derm or anabeta
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Was gonna stay out, considering i'm an SNS rep, but without actually trying X-gels your assumptions are little more than guesses. When run properly, (including LCLT/ baby aspirin and GMS (baby aspirin to inhibit the COX1 pathway; but not COX2) leads to increases in PGF 2 alpha and PGE2 which increase protein synthesis. The PGF 2 alpha pathway is increased with a COX1 inhibitor (hence why one is suggested on cycle) and in the presence of exercise.

    Also important is that you avoid COX2 inhibitors like ibuprofen because that inhibits COX2 which is one of the pathways it is reliant on. As an aside, because it works by increasing PGE2, it may promote hair growth in balding males.

    I'm confident that if you ran it in this way that you would absolutely see results.
    Interesting. Sounds good to me but I don't think anyone in this thread ever said anything about not seeing results.

    Sounds like a great natty product and possibly the best way to get your feet wet with cycling. Its the comparison to mild, methylated PHs that seems like a bold statement. Can you vouch for that, personally?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post

    Interesting. Sounds good to me but I don't think anyone in this thread ever said anything about not seeing results.

    Sounds like a great natty product and possibly the best way to get your feet wet with cycling. Its the comparison to mild, methylated PHs that seems like a bold statement. Can you vouch for that, personally?
    As you said, it depends on what you consider mild. I would consider a 1-dhea as an entry PH so I would compare my results with that. But once you start going to stronger milder PH's then the comparison starts to end, but of course then you are entering into a realm where hormones are affected, and competing with that impossible
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    As you said, it depends on what you consider mild. I would consider a 1-dhea as an entry PH so I would compare my results with that. But once you start going to stronger milder PH's then the comparison starts to end, but of course then you are entering into a realm where hormones are affected, and competing with that impossible
    That's my exact point. I think you are spot on man. Anything that would require a SERM is just not comparable... and there's no shame in that, its not supposed to be. I got completely lit up in here for speaking that point earlier. You seem to be far more level headed about it.

    Xgels have def caught my attention. Not having to go through PCT even after lower end PHs gains is priceless for an avid lifter... and maybe even better for a noob. I'd still like to hear from someone who has ran xgels and a mild, non methyl PH, though.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    I'd still like to hear from someone who has ran xgels and a mild, non methyl PH, though.
    I have
    well, ArA anyway, when the compound first came out under MN..
    I hesitate to respond in my rep capacity (which is an unfortunate thing too as a sidenote - just because someone is with xyz company does not necessarily make everything they say biased, it just happens quite a bit is all )..but honestly, I never got anything much out of original formula

    and I make note, I was natty trainer at that point, able to squeeze anything out of almost ANY sup thru my accompanying peripheral regimens..

    conversely, when I first ran 2-step dhea analogs and whatnot with PP, I was able to tell definitive differences, and very rapidly..
    of course, harsher things (methylated and whatnot) followed, and were even more notable ....

    just sharing my own anecdotal experiences, no hate or denigration to anyone or any product

  19. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    That's my exact point. I think you are spot on man. Anything that would require a SERM is just not comparable... and there's no shame in that, its not supposed to be. I got completely lit up in here for speaking that point earlier. You seem to be far more level headed about it.

    Xgels have def caught my attention. Not having to go through PCT even after lower end PHs gains is priceless for an avid lifter... and maybe even better for a noob. I'd still like to hear from someone who has ran xgels and a mild, non methyl PH, though.
    I like Ara and I feel it complements any natty stack but, like R1balla said, if you want PH gains, then take a PH
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    I have
    well, ArA anyway, when the compound first came out under MN..
    I hesitate to respond in my rep capacity (which is an unfortunate thing too as a sidenote - just because someone is with xyz company does not necessarily make everything they say biased, it just happens quite a bit is all )..but honestly, I never got anything much out of original formula

    and I make note, I was natty trainer at that point, able to squeeze anything out of almost ANY sup thru my accompanying peripheral regimens..

    conversely, when I first ran 2-step dhea analogs and whatnot with PP, I was able to tell definitive differences, and very rapidly..
    of course, harsher things (methylated and whatnot) followed, and were even more notable ....

    just sharing my own anecdotal experiences, no hate or denigration to anyone or any product
    None taken snags

    All anecdotal (whether they're a rep or not) is valuable to anyone looking to experience a product and seeking differing view points
    Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative
    X-gels for strength, Focus XT for mental performance & Joint Support XT for pain free mobility

  21. Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    That's my exact point. I think you are spot on man. Anything that would require a SERM is just not comparable... and there's no shame in that, its not supposed to be. I got completely lit up in here for speaking that point earlier. You seem to be far more level headed about it.

    Xgels have def caught my attention. Not having to go through PCT even after lower end PHs gains is priceless for an avid lifter... and maybe even better for a noob. I'd still like to hear from someone who has ran xgels and a mild, non methyl PH, though.
    No one lit you up, you're being a sensitive Sally
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    As you said, it depends on what you consider mild. I would consider a 1-dhea as an entry PH so I would compare my results with that. But once you start going to stronger milder PH's then the comparison starts to end, but of course then you are entering into a realm where hormones are affected, and competing with that impossible
    Nothing is impossible
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    No one lit you up, you're being a sensitive Sally
    "Sensitive Sally" would be reverting to attacks rather than a civil debate. Its called a defense mechanism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Yea, your avatar and stats indicate that even with all those hormones you ran/run, that you know exuberant amounts of what you're preaching here.
    Nothing constructive here at all. Just a rep being sensitive, making accusations and then finding out his accusations were wrong.

    And Jiigzz is right dude, it is pretty much impossible. You take 2 identical twin bodybuilders, give one Xgels and the other a methylated steroid and it will be a land slide. If you still disagree then you need to swallow some pride. We all believe in ourselves and the products we support but be logical about it. Aim high but don't spew stuff like that.

    I changed my avi for you. I hope I can participate in this topic, now. Sorry I have no genetics and am 1,000 ft tall haha. I am happy though for 3 years of training. I'm not here to impress you, anyhow.

    And no I'm not angry dude. I have no problem with you at all. Wish you all the best. I just don't like people that don't know me passing judgement. Do you? I doubt it....

  24. Changed my Avi too.
    Remember why you started.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Changed my Avi too.
    Oooo la la (slight homo)

    Nice sig BTW, too. Makes me want to lift.
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