Want a LEGAL pro hormone...
- 10-31-2013, 12:38 PM
- 10-31-2013, 08:20 PM
Besides, not all PHs are banned or illegal.
The fact that you wouldn't even consider a SERM leaves you in a category to yield minimal gains in a cycle, though.
If you expecting some kind of transformation or 20-30lbs lift increases from one cycle of anything you don't even need a SERM for than you sir, are going to be disappointed. It really is that simple. There is so much out there that is not banned or illegal that can make noticeable leaps in LBM but sorry to say that 2 step conversion DHEA metabolites are not one of them. Its the best you are going to get with no SERM though... unless you flirt with a 5 week mild methyl run and build a serious OTC.
- 10-31-2013, 09:41 PM
10-31-2013, 09:42 PM
11-01-2013, 10:13 AM
I would like to try, too. Its just a big turnoff for me when 10 reps all jump on some guy asking about PH's with things like "Screw Prohormones, get X-gels". makes me not want to buy them. Just being honest.
Not to mention the 1,000 natural products that were brought out to compare with PH gains... how many of them made you gain like a PH? I think I counted none, hence why PHs are still (and probably always will be) popular to the experienced lifters looking for above natural gains.
Not trying to flame here, just calling it like I see it. Its still an educated assumption but natural products claiming to give you PH like gains are a dime a dozen. These products get compared to PHs because PHs are the standard for things that actually work in the world of body building.
That being said, yes, I am still going to try them to see if its worth it one day unless I start reading bad reviews by then.
11-01-2013, 05:39 PM
Also the data on X-gels (human studies) show increases in 1RM strength over the course of the cycle and adding further that the attributes of ArA promote muscle anabolism literally puts it on par with a DHEA cycle.
They are non methylated and cause zero shutdown which makes me favour them even more.
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11-01-2013, 08:15 PM
Ill give them a shot one day.
I did a Triazole/ Activate Xtreme that gave me more strength than a DHEA run so you aren't really creating miracles for me.
I place 2 step conversion DHEA at the extreme bottom of the pile of "phs". So to say they are comparable to PHs in general is inaccurate.
11-01-2013, 08:49 PM
11-01-2013, 10:02 PM
If you want ph gains then take a ph. Don't expect to take a supplement and get ph gains. End of story.
11-01-2013, 10:18 PM
Also on a side note I personally think 1andro has some direct activity which would only be a 1 step conversion to an active.
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11-01-2013, 10:25 PM
11-01-2013, 10:31 PM
11-01-2013, 10:36 PM
11-01-2013, 10:59 PM
11-02-2013, 06:41 AM
11-04-2013, 08:38 AM
11-04-2013, 08:59 AM
11-04-2013, 10:00 AM
If you want PH gains you have to take a PH.
That being said you may gain something from them. But once you take an actual proven PH, any product that does not require PCT will seem like bringing a squirt gun to fire hose fight.
11-04-2013, 11:48 AM
How about talking about your goals - mass, cutting or strength?
Legal prohormones on the market now are:
1-Andro - lean bulking, strength
4-Andro - bulking
19-NorAndro - mild but almost no sides
Epiandro - cutting, strength and aggression
5aOHP - cutting, strength and no aggression
11-OXO - cutting, little strength and size but very mild
That's most of them...I may have missed one or two, but that's the majority. What are your goals?
Also, I am looking for a tester for our 6-Mass tablets. I can send some to you to log if you are interested and will do a detailed log.
11-04-2013, 10:27 PM
11-04-2013, 10:30 PM
11-04-2013, 11:16 PM
Doing a real PH (mild-methylated) cycle is not going to put you close to that LBM wise. Maybe strength wise with the right compound like Epi or even heavier but usually you won't stay that strong after youre off again.
There's no secret to big mass and strength. It takes a long goddamn time and a sh*t ton of delicious animals.
11-05-2013, 01:08 AM
11-05-2013, 09:22 AM
So X-Gels give much the same results as the less effective versions of 1-andro and 4-ad? Maybe you can preach that and people will buy it. I would not use the word "mild", though. I'd use "weaker PH" (which still give results, though). Sorry, just being honest.
Hell, I can gain 6 lbs taking nothing in a 6 week cycle's length (.75 lbs a week is what I generally bulk at naturally, anyway. I used to do a whole pound). Would it be the same amount of muscle as if I did a true PH? Hell no. Sorry, but I will never believe you that a natural product with "NO PCT NEEDED" will give you anywhere close to the results of something that pumps synthetic hormones through your body.
That's just common sense to me. Not trying to bash on X-gels, unless you tell me they do something that they won't.
11-05-2013, 11:41 AM
11-05-2013, 12:40 PM
11-05-2013, 12:58 PM
X-Gels = Hot Dog
Mild PH = Quarter Pounder
Designer Steroid = Double Quarter Pounder w/ Potatoes
Injectable = New York strip with loaded baked potato
Remember why you started.
11-05-2013, 01:07 PM
My suggestion for a mild PH stack that will add that would be:
1-Andro AMS, LG, Forerunner or Finiflex - choose sublingual tablets, sublingual liquid, liquid capsules, capsules
Epiandro - LG - EPIANDRO liquid
PCT - take your choice with anything that has 3,5-diene-dione in it. Form-XT is ours (tabs or liquid), Reboot, PCT, Erase etc...
These two promote a lot of strength and decent mass. Obviously you need to eat well and lift heavy.
Also, you have to realize that every person is different, so what one responds to is not what everyone responds to...
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