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    The new Dymatize Xpand 2x is formulated by Shawn Wells and has a very positive clinical trial on it, gets my vote. Focus XT is great too, many have sworn by it for like a decade now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    There is a difference. I see a common trend of some newer reps who only recommend their companies products, literally go into every "Pre-workout" thread and push theirs, every test booster thread, push theirs, it's getting a bit much.

    That being said I had another amazing workout with Athletix High Volume again today.....big fan
    I can't help that SNS sells bulk powders at better prices than other companies making us the obvious choice

    Or that our ARA formula is the best deal on the market

    Or that our GDA is outstanding and at a great price point



    But I'm still a fan of many companies products
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    The new Dymatize Xpand 2x is formulated by Shawn Wells and has a very positive clinical trial on it, gets my vote. Focus XT is great too, many have sworn by it for like a decade now.
    Wow, really, Wells had a hand in the reformulated xpand? I didn't know that! That's cool...he helping them out with any of their other products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liftallday123 View Post
    I found a source for detonate as well and my local supp store has some also. Btw I received 5 bottles of craze the other day
    I am jealous. I am down to a 1/4 of a tub of craze and I am going to miss it. I need to find that source for Detonate. : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post

    I can't help that SNS sells bulk powders at better prices than other companies making us the obvious choice

    Or that our ARA formula is the best deal on the market

    Or that our GDA is outstanding and at a great price point



    But I'm still a fan of many companies products
    Love SNS products

    I wasn't talking about SNS reps though (=
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    Obviously I highly recommend our Prodigy but I must admit I am really enjoying Redefine Stimul8 right now. Great energy, focus and seems to have a nice thermogenic effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    The new Dymatize Xpand 2x is formulated by Shawn Wells and has a very positive clinical trial on it, gets my vote. Focus XT is great too, many have sworn by it for like a decade now.
    Tried a Xpand 2x sample once. Very impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post
    Obviously I highly recommend our Prodigy but I must admit I am really enjoying Redefine Stimul8 right now. Great energy, focus and seems to have a nice thermogenic effect.
    Yeah, that is a pretty good pre-workout and may be my go to one once my Craze runs out. If the Stimul8 did not have synephrine in it I would try that also. That ingredient I am not a fan of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Wow, really, Wells had a hand in the reformulated xpand? I didn't know that! That's cool...he helping them out with any of their other products?
    Shawn Wells is the Director of Research and Development at Dymatize. He has been for going on two years now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post

    Shawn Wells is the Director of Research and Development at Dymatize. He has been for going on two years now.
    Totally missed that announcement...nice!
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    I'm going to be using Evol soon. I'm a Craze guy. I still have 4 or 5 unopened tubs. But I also have used Enhanced and Uncut. Good alternatives. I'm interested in Evol w/ the new stim I've never used. So here's to hoping for a winner. I've tried a few others that were supposedly "like craze" in terms of focus and stuff, and they all pretty much sucked a big fat one.

    I guess the planet is going to have a big intro sale on it soon.
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    Nice, I got to beta test Craze when it first came out. Can't say the grape was the best flavor. But, my god the focus from it was insane. I had some decent pumps from it as well. I then ordered the limited edition Apple Pie flavor. You may also like Ctdlabs Noxipro Chrome for focus as well Flex. I also like PEA Enhanced which is very close to the mental clarity you get similar to Craze. I agree with you man, I'm more so into the focus & energy than the supplements which are high stim. You may want to give Bitrate Ten.1 a try in the future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    Nice, I got to beta test Craze when it first came out. Can't say the grape was the best flavor. But, my god the focus from it was insane. I had some decent pumps from it as well. I then ordered the limited edition Apple Pie flavor. You may also like Ctdlabs Noxipro Chrome for focus as well Flex. I also like PEA Enhanced which is very close to the mental clarity you get similar to Craze. I agree with you man, I'm more so into the focus & energy than the supplements which are high stim. You may want to give Bitrate Ten.1 a try in the future?
    but will it blow out my adrenals????

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbirdfan1 View Post
    I'm going to be using Evol soon. I'm a Craze guy. I still have 4 or 5 unopened tubs. But I also have used Enhanced and Uncut. Good alternatives. I'm interested in Evol w/ the new stim I've never used. So here's to hoping for a winner. I've tried a few others that were supposedly "like craze" in terms of focus and stuff, and they all pretty much sucked a big fat one.

    I guess the planet is going to have a big intro sale on it soon.
    Yep, me and you have had some of the same experiences with other PW's.

    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    Nice, I got to beta test Craze when it first came out. Can't say the grape was the best flavor. But, my god the focus from it was insane. I had some decent pumps from it as well. I then ordered the limited edition Apple Pie flavor. You may also like Ctdlabs Noxipro Chrome for focus as well Flex. I also like PEA Enhanced which is very close to the mental clarity you get similar to Craze. I agree with you man, I'm more so into the focus & energy than the supplements which are high stim. You may want to give Bitrate Ten.1 a try in the future?
    I am the same way, I love the mental focus not the overly stimmed out, make my heart beat out of my chest PW(thats why I loved Craze). I tolerate stim fine, just don't like to overdo it in the PW.
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    I'm also a craze maniac. I have 4 unopened tubs sitting on my frig right now. I've tried all the newer pre's including enhanced, volatile, conquer & others & nothing came close to craze. I recently came across JBT Labs anabolic FX from their site. I have to say, its pretty damn good. Not a fan of the tingles from beta alanine, but this stuff kicks ass. Great energy, great focus without that heart pounding nonsense.
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    Core Fury looks like a good replacement option as both have creatine, tmg and citruline plus multiple forms of PEA's.
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    I just can't believe how many of you guys continued to use Craze on a regular basis after the majority of the bodybuilding world was concerned it contained illegal and questionable substances.

    You look like junkies lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I just can't believe how many of you guys continued to use Craze on a regular basis after the majority of the bodybuilding world was concerned it contained illegal and questionable substances.

    You look like junkies lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I just can't believe how many of you guys continued to use Craze on a regular basis after the majority of the bodybuilding world was concerned it contained illegal and questionable substances. You look like junkies lol.
    Surprised nobody's asked if they can keep using cocaine while using Craze. Those posts always make me laugh.
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    So, does noxipro chrome based on many PEA's it contains in it as well. Gotta love Phenylanine
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    Also, look into PES Enhanced, ANS Ritual is fine as well. Bitrate Ten.1, Ultima V3 from omega sports and of course SNS Focus XT
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    Couldn't agree with you anymore than what you've mentioned. Try kicking it up a notch with a racetam sometime such as noopept or piracetam
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    True, but you can still find a few ones with Dmaa here and there. Another alternative is denrobium which is slightly altered like geranium. Gives a nice lil focus while working out. I like the fact that PES has leucine nitrate in it for enhanced vascodialation and choline bitartrate for memory formation as well as cytidine and only 125mg caffeine not really high dose 1 scoop only.2 scoops i've.taken, great keep mental clarity going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    True, but you can still find a few ones with Dmaa here and there. Another alternative is denrobium which is slightly altered like geranium. Gives a nice lil focus while working out. I like the fact that PES has leucine nitrate in it for enhanced vascodialation and choline bitartrate for memory formation as well as cytidine and only 125mg caffeine not really high dose 1 scoop only.2 scoops i've.taken, great keep mental clarity going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    True, but you can still find a few ones with Dmaa here and there. Another alternative is denrobium which is slightly altered like geranium. Gives a nice lil focus while working out. I like the fact that PES has leucine nitrate in it for enhanced vascodialation and choline bitartrate for memory formation as well as cytidine and only 125mg caffeine not really high dose 1 scoop only.2 scoops i've.taken, great keep mental clarity going.
    I've mentioned this before but if you get a stim buzz from dendrobium, chances are it's not actually dendro or its spiked.
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    SNS Focus XT is another one, also Noxipro Chrome has many different forms of Phenylanine (PEA's) contained in it as well.
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    Hey Blackjackcat I couldn't agree with you anymore than what you've just stated. You may want to boost the focus up by trying out some Noopept or Piracetam
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    Phenylalanine is an amino acid. It is not PEA aka PHENYLETHYLAMINE
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    Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.
    Haha i just read this on another forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by john A. View Post
    Yes, its an amino acid. Yes, it is PEA its the abbreviation of Phenylanine. Phenylalanine is involed with the release of PEA, phenylethylamine, which is just a neurotransmitter related to norepinephrine. Also, two forms of it being L-phenylalanine the natural form and DL Phenylalanine which is synthetic form of it. Think about it for a second, why does chocolate contain Phenylalanine? Because it enhances serotonin and dopamine levels for an increase in mood enhancement.


    Phenylalanine is a precursor to dopamine only, and obviously noreph, ep. Not serotonin. If anything it would inhibit serotonin secretion. The fact that it "enhances serotonin and dopamine levels" does not justify WHY chocolate contains PEA. It would be correct to say "Why do you think chocolate enhances your mood?" And the answer would be because it contains PEA which has upstream effects on dopamine production. Also, the Theophylline in it mimicks caffeine's effects, further elevating the sense of well being.
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    Your right mcc23 I was in such a hurry trying to post before going off to work. Thanks, for catching the mistype I made.
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    But you're both wrong, which makes you wrong twice lol
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