I wouldn't say useless. Personally I don't know why 20 somethings would ever need a boost in testosterone, maybe during PCT. I think people in that age group have plenty of natural testosterone and don't need AAS anyway. Study doesn't prove anything not already blatantly obvious. If you already have plenty of natural testosterone surging through your body, OTC test boosters won't do much of anything.
Still won't increase it enough to have any real physical appearance changes IMO
I don't think anyone ever said it would.
That's true
Some people just have ugly kids.
It is generally in the over 35, forums for those seeking TRT, and the >30 folks that are seeing that it really doesn't work all that well. In fact, many of us have found that it lowers test and increases e2. I think everyone needs to determine what works best for them when it comes to non script supplements, but in my opinion, DAA is worthless.
How much more would you guess?
All I know is the authors' conclusions are awful. They think DAA oxidase was elevated in response to prolonged supplementation, hence the lack of DAA effects at the 1-month mark. But there is a 3-month study showing T elevation, and there is no reason to believe that DAA-oxidase is downregulated in infertile men
the italian study was three months but they only tested testosterone for 12 days
one of the reasons they concluded that was the blood levels of DAA not being very elevated at 30 days
i'm not a huge fan of DAA as a standalone but it does increase libido a bit and could give a sense of well being....but nothing really that translates into the gym
People like it because of the mood lift and mild energy boost it gives
I like it because when I use it I progress quicker. Normally I use during a 5x5 training cycle and I add weight more often
My dad says there is a night and day difference in the month of two that he takes off. Mr. Arnold may have an answer to this would it be ok to stay on DAA and erase year round for a guy in his 50s or would there be adverse effects?
Placebo...
Shouldn't have too much to do with body building then?
Might be suitable for long use for older people?
Ok horizons we get it you hate DAA lol
Caffeine must be placebo too then right? I get a boost from that.
Wow, I am 46 and love DAA - it allows me to lift like I was 25 - I would not have 1/2 the muscle I have right now without it. I seem to get lasting gains (small, but still gains) each cycle. Just MOP.
Well it's ingrained in bodybuilding because it raises test, and laymen like to think that fluctuations within normal ranges will have have "steroid" like results. Might be useful to older males and is cheap enough to test out, in fact I bought a tub for my dad to test out. I used it a couple times, felt enough difference in mood to justify the cost every now and then. If younger people see gains from it I'd chalk it up to placebo, but if using it makes them feel they can add a little more weight to their lifts more power to them.
Do You use it with an AI?
Its possible
Have your results varied much by product, or all the all "about the same"?
I've been cycling it on and off since it first hit the market so it's hard to compare. It's one of the few products I consistently purchase. I really like Test Powder though because of all the extras that come with it. With the single ingredient products, I have not noticed much of difference though.
Not answer on T-bones behalf, but I am 46 and 3 weeks into DAA and not using an AI yet. My strength is over the top and very similar to about 5 caps ARA (not 8 caps, but 5). I will be adding erase OG starting week 5 through 8 and don't expect any further strength gains (as I have never got any gains in the past using this method), but a nice drying out effect. I guess DAA is just not effective until your an old guy, cause it and ARA is the fountain of youth for us old guys...
This is how I feel about DAA and why I'm staying away.
I'm a fan personally. The two I've had success with were Synthetic Supplements version before they discontinued it and D-Pol from Purus Labs. I tend to notice more of the physiological changes associated with it than I do with NMDA. I've used Paragon and Intimidate and not noticed the same. Could be pure placebo but that's my anecdote. I would run it with an AI and L-dopa, IE Erase and Dopadex and you have a great stack.
Paragon actually killed my libido. That's the only thing I noticed from it over an 8 week cycle. I have a hard time believing in the products that claim, "100 times stronger than DAA". There is even one company claiming, "1000 times stronger than DAA". It just reminds me of all the "newer" forms of creatine, when monohydrate is the proven leader with years of research proving its effectiveness IN HUMANS.
DAA persists in the system for 1-2 weeks after ceasing use, so you should actually note no change when you stop using it, at least at the beginning
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