- 12-16-2013, 09:55 AM
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12-17-2013, 05:46 AM
I'm ordering mine in next few days... Gaia or Eclectic? Or are they both decent. In all honesty, I just don't wasn't product which is a bunk extract etc
12-17-2013, 06:03 AM
12-17-2013, 09:23 AM
12-17-2013, 09:32 AM
12-17-2013, 10:27 AM
12-17-2013, 12:38 PM
12-17-2013, 12:42 PM
12-17-2013, 12:48 PM
Sorry, I didn't realize the price disparity that you see over there. I pay around $18 for it and I've come to terms in the supplement game that anything <$25 is worth trying even if it doesn't end up working. If you are paying nearly $40, I can see the hesitation.
Understand that all I am trying to say is that many times with , you don't get it right the first time. If you go and read reviews on different brands, you can see that some people swear by one brand and not by others. What works for me, may not be the best for you and you may need a higher mg per serving, or a different ratio. It is trial and error. My personal experience has me preferring, in order: Gaia, Solger, ECI. Many people love the Swedish Herbal Institute brand, which I think may be cheaper in Europe based on reviews I have read.
12-17-2013, 01:14 PM
Agreed.is one of the tougher herbs to pin down in terms of dose, extract ratio and your own brain chemistry. When you do get it right, the effects are awesome but until then it can be interesting ride.
12-17-2013, 01:23 PM
12-17-2013, 01:46 PM
12-17-2013, 02:17 PM
If I recall correctly, adaptogens also work mainly on the adrenal gland (adrenal medulla to be specific I believe) with possible effects at the cellular level. So I don't think brain chemistry really has much to do with it unless we are talking about effects on the brain due to adrenal gland activity. I suppose certain issues with the hypothalamus and/or pituitary gland could also have an effect on your adrenal gland, but nonetheless, I'm pretty sure one of the main criteria for something to be categorized as an adaptogen is that it needs to mainly affect the adrenal gland.
12-17-2013, 02:44 PM
I somewhat disagree. "Adaptogen" is a term and concept that is not universally accepted in either alternative or mainstream medicine and it technically applies to all systems of the body adapting to stressors/harmful effects. Adrenals tend to the be target of many adaptogens, such as Ginseng, but the concept applies to whole body health. In any case the research behind Rhodiola does indicate very specific serotonin, epi, nor-epi and dopamine enhancing effects outside of the plethora of other effects that are chalked up to "adaptogenisis". Studies have shown small doses of RR increase serotonin and epi whereas large doses somehow work on the GABA system leading to sedation. As much as I would love to believe that RR, at any old dose, will go to work on me and do exactly what my body needs it to do..that has not been my experience at all and I have experimented with this herb, as well as reviewed the literature, for a decent number of years.
12-17-2013, 02:58 PM
Just to briefly break down the history of the definition of adaptogens:
non-specific remedies "that increase resistance to a broad spectrum of harmful factors (stressors) of different physical, chemical and biological natures
That definition was originally termed and intended to be used to categorize dibazol 12-benzyl benzimidazol which was an arterial dilator. The definition has actually since been updated to:
new class of metabolic regulators (of a natural origin) which increase the ability of an organism to adapt to environmental factors and to avoid damage from such factors.
By then, in which I mean the 1980s, there had been extensive amounts of research which demonstrated that adaptogens operated on the sympathetic nervous system. The problem these days however is that people have just stuck with the original definition of adaptogens (which by the way, was never really intended to define what we now know and consider to be adaptogens, it was merely a way for N.V. Lazarev to categorize and describe the effects of dibazol 12-benzyl benzimidazol). It is currently well known and accepted in the herbal community that adaptogens do in actuality have to essentially operate on your adrenal gland for it to be considered a true adaptogen (amongst some other criterias, but the main MOA is that it mainly affects your adrenal gland).
12-17-2013, 03:05 PM
I feel great on Rhodiola, but alas after a few days I too can't sleep; surprisingly I don't feel tired the following day. It can't be healthy, not sleeping for more than a couple of days, despite not feeling tired.
12-17-2013, 03:19 PM
12-17-2013, 04:58 PM
12-17-2013, 05:01 PM
For anyone taking bacopa...what's your preferred brand? I've tried Swanson's Bacozine (250 mg) and Himalaya Pure Herbs twice each day and both have caused sedation (taking it with rhodiola). Also, if you've found something that stacks well with it that negates the sedative aspect, I'd appreciate that information too. I'd really like to keep bacopa because it seems to work well for focus.
12-17-2013, 07:35 PM
The Himilaya version I have are tablets..perhaps splitting the dose in half would help? I only dose it once per day as 2x per day definitely leaves me feeling spacey.
12-17-2013, 08:29 PM
12-18-2013, 05:05 PM
12-18-2013, 05:07 PM
Look at the Solger brand. Very similar to Gaia in terms of potency, if not slightly higher. See if that is a bit cheaper.
12-18-2013, 07:52 PM
12-18-2013, 07:54 PM
02-12-2014, 08:48 AM
Has anyone noticed a pretty big increase in irritability/anger when taking bacopa? I've noticed that I become very short tempered when taking it but nothing has worked better for me with regard to focus and "brain fog". So, I'm trying to figure out why it might be causing the anger issues.
02-19-2014, 08:45 AM
This thread seems to be where all the herbal experts reside. So I'm hoping someone in here can help me with a question I've been trying to answer. I'm having trouble finding/understanding bacopa's interaction with acetylcholine. All I've been able to determine so far from sources online is that is modulates levels of acetylcholine. So, my question is, how does this compare to choline precursors and ache inhibitors? In other words, would bacopa's modulation of acetylcholine make it possible to take it with a racetam and no other choline source? Also, since bacopa impacts levels of dopamine and serotonin, would it interfer with something like aniracetam?
02-19-2014, 09:14 AM
I had to stop taking Aniracetam once I added Bacopa back in. I love Ani, but I took it to combat anxiety and Bacopa is 10x better for that. I was getting very tired mentally having both of them in the mix and once I dropped the Ani, mental energy peaked.
As far as interactions with cholines, I take Alpha GPC with it and it works like a charm.
02-19-2014, 10:33 AM
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