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  1. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Damn bro.. Well with LH and FSH numbers like that(high) your body is signaling to produce TEST- to maintain balance, your body also produces estrogen.... So there is something keeping your body from producing the amount of test that coincides with that amount of estrogen... Meaning you may have some form of secondary shutdown.. Not completely, but it looks to me like your testes aren't keeping up with your brain and are not capable of producing the amount of test needed for you at the moment. 120 is very high and I'm sorry you're at that level right now. I would stop taking EVERYTHING that could be contributing to increases LH and FSH. You're on overdrive ... Except the test isn't being made. Your doctor would most likely predictive something to lower that estrogen number and get it in line with your total test. If I were you I would not take anything else and seek the help of an endocrinologist or urolgoist with those numbers. In the mean time, look into eating foods that lower estrogen naturally.. Garlic, red onions, and broccoli off the top of my head. And avoid soy at all costs. The get a prescription my man. Clomid will increase estrogen too by the way... You need a straight AI.

    I Am no doctor and not super knowledgable on this... But from what I've learned during my own TRT and restart, this is my opinion if i was you. Someone else can certainly address this much more scientifically for you.
    My Total Test is 660. I'm 44 and my normal rate is 502. So, I believe my Testosterone is normal. I haven't taken anything for the past 5 days except for Prolactrone, DAA, Vitamin D, Vitamin C and Endosurge.


  2. You're still in PCT. Come.off everything then do blood work..
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Just got my estrogen numbers back, they are 120! Why? Ive been off cycle for 8 weeks, of which I was on PCT for 6 and only taking Clomid, Novladex, DAA, Bulbine and Vitamin D. WTF? No wonder Ive been crying like a women thinking about my girl going back to Thailand.
    Can anyone explain this?
    Clomid makes you hormonal. Have you done any research at all?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    You're still in PCT. Come.off everything then do blood work..
    I've been off PCT for 5 days. Besides, why would PCT cause increase in estrogen?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    You're still in PCT. Come.off everything then do blood work..
    Exactly! Wait about 3 weeks after pct to get labs done

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    My Total Test is 660. I'm 44 and my normal rate is 502. So, I believe my Testosterone is normal. I haven't taken anything for the past 5 days except for Prolactrone, DAA, Vitamin D, Vitamin C and Endosurge.
    For 660 your e2 should be no higher than 66... 10:1 ratio.. You need to get your estrogen down

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    You're still in PCT. Come.off everything then do blood work..
    This

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Clomid makes you hormonal. Have you done any research at all?
    Yes, I have. Clomid tricks your body into believing that your estrogen is low so that your body produces more testosterone to turn into estrogen. But the body should only turn test into estrogen if it is at high levels like above 1,000. I'm at 660.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Exactly! Wait about 3 weeks after pct to get labs done
    Again, I've been off for 5 days and what in PCT would cause high estrogen and what do I do now?

  9. [QUOTE=chedapalooza;4249806]For 660 your e2 should be no higher than 66... 10:1 ratio.. You need to get your estrogen down

    Yes I know; but what should I take? Adex? and if so at what dosage and for how long?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Again, I've been off for 5 days and what in PCT would cause high estrogen and what do I do now?
    Were you running AI in PCT?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Yes, I have. Clomid tricks your body into believing that your estrogen is low so that your body produces more testosterone to turn into estrogen. But the body should only turn test into estrogen if it is at high levels like above 1,000. I'm at 660.
    Not true. An increase in T at any level can cause an increase in E. Thats homeostatis
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  12. Idk I'm not a dr

    In response to your questions about what to take to lower and what dose/how long

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Were you running AI in PCT?
    In my initial 4 week PCT yes. I was running 12.5mg of Aromasine everyday for about 1 week and a half, then, I got my bloods back that were taken the day before my last day of my cycle and my estrogen came back at 250. That's when I knew my Aromasine was fake. So I started Adex at .5mg every day for the next 3 1/2 weeks and the day after my PCT I got my bloods done and my estrogen was at 28. Then after almost 2 weeks being off PCT my libido felt a little low, so I went on another 3 weeks of 50mg of Clomid and 40mg of Novla and no AI. Then, a week before the end of this second mini PCT I got bloods again but the ass holes said the vile that was used for estrogen and LH were damaged. So I came back again a week later. By now I was 1 day out of my mini PCT and not taking anything except for DAA, Prolactrone, Vitamin D and C.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Not true. An increase in T at any level can cause an increase in E. Thats homeostatis
    So I should have been on an AI during my second mini PCT? And this was caused by the Clomid and Novla?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    So I should have been on an AI during my second mini PCT? And this was caused by the Clomid and Novla?
    I would have used an AI. Just FYI I wasn't knocking your research, it was literally just a question

    Run an AI.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I would have used an AI. Just FYI I wasn't knocking your research, it was literally just a question Run an AI.
    Adex?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Again, I've been off for 5 days and what in PCT would cause high estrogen and what do I do now?
    You have been altering your hormones for a very long time. You need be a few weeks out before you can accurately tell whats going on..NO ai, test boosters etc

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  18. The only thing blood work in PCT proves is that your SERM isn't bunk. Besides that it's not very helpful.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    You have been altering your hormones for a very long time. You need be a few weeks out before you can accurately tell whats going on..NO ai, test boosters etc
    This. Just next time run an AI in PCT next time
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