Your Best Sleep Aid
- 10-22-2013, 11:57 AM
Again, from your initial post in which I replied to (and now know that it's just basically going round and round in circles with you at this point since the point I was making completely flew right past you), you claimed that melatonin is JUST AS GOOD as other sleep aid supplements which is simply NOT TRUE and you would have understood this if you had ever bothered to actually compare and contrast.
Nobody was arguing if melatonin was ineffective, the point was that melatonin is not very effective in comparison with what is available. As for your assumption that supplement companies are just out to get you, have you even bothered to look at the ingredients some of these contain? They cost $20-$30 because of the ingredients they contain. Melatonin is a bottom of the barrel cheap ingredient. GABA, mucuna/l-dopa, sensoril, , etc. even as bulk ingredients costs considerably more than bulk melatonin. There's a very large cost difference in the raw ingredients here. You're ignoring this very important fact and just making a nonsensical blanket statement that equates to the following as if there is no raw material cost difference: you pay x-amount of money for sleep aids because supplement companies are just trying to rip you off.
As for supplement company's paying millions of dollars on marketing, do you have any idea how pretty darn small Nimbus is? Nimbus barely markets their current products and the reason something like Abyss Unparalleled is so highly regarded is because people actually used the product and genuinely love the product, not because we are sheep following advertisements.
Like seriously, where's all these misguided notions of yours coming from? I mean, I feel bad for you for you having to spend 20-30 thousand dollars over the years on supplements which you probably just bought willy nilly based probably entirely off of marketing bunk but that's on you as an uneducated consumer more than anything.
- 10-22-2013, 12:20 PM
Wow, I remove my compliment. I dont give a **** how small a company is. The smaller, the more profit that needs to be made. I have nothing against them and the ingredient profile is stacked for your info. Is it $30 worth of stuff... thats up to who ever wants to buy it. Don't be such a f*cking assh*le. I worked my ass off to gain 50lbs in 3 years and lost 6% bf. Who are you to tell me that I only pay for marketing... you should gain the opposite from that. Not everyone starts out knowing everything there is in this exponentially confusing market place. Not even you, you pompous assquach.
If you are going to attack my consumer integrity, education and transitively, ability to possess results, then you better not actually be 160 pounds unless you are 4-6% and bench 325. I don't need to prove sh*t to you, I can almost curl a little runt like you.
You are literally the only person that seriously got under my skin in my entire time on this board. I know a Napoleon when I see one.
- 10-22-2013, 12:29 PM
Who was attacking your physique or progress anyway? BWAH HA HA HA HA. You're the one that kept bringing up how supplement companies are out to rip people off and how you've spent 20-30 k on supplements over the years.
I think this is an instance where you've essentially got under your own skin there buddy
10-22-2013, 12:40 PM
10-23-2013, 01:38 PM
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10-23-2013, 01:46 PM
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10-23-2013, 01:51 PM
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10-25-2013, 03:08 PM
Ive been using Abyss Unparalleled with REALLY good results, cant imagine anything else topping it and nothing else that Ive tried has.
Ive been hearing great things about Lights Out from a few buddies at my gym too.
10-26-2013, 02:10 AM
I finished 3rd night on Abyss and maybe this was first night of sleeping 7h instead of usual waking after 4-6h to pee.
Will wait at least a week before getting excited but can say that it has potential.
10-27-2013, 12:39 PM
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10-29-2013, 03:33 AM
Now 6 nights of taking Abyss (1st night 1 cap then 2 caps around 45min-1h before bedtime) and seeing light changes but nothing significant.
Might keep with 2 caps/night until 10 nights then might add 1 or 2mg of melatonin to the mix cause I'm still waking around 4am to pee then not so easy to fall a sleep since I start thinking on lots of stuff.
I might try 2 caps of Abyss and 1mg melatonin or 1 cap Abyss and 2mg melatonin.
What are your experience with Abyss and melatonin stacking together?
10-29-2013, 08:48 AM
I've been getting nothing but AWESOME reviews on our REM 8.0. It's phenibut, ZMA, gaba, and a few other things that will help you fall asleep, stay asleep, and wake up feeling rested and ready to go. Because it has phenibut it is extremely effective, but should only be used for 3-5 days without a 1-2 day break. Used properly, it can be an awesome asset to your supplement routine.
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10-29-2013, 09:28 AM
10-29-2013, 01:40 PM
I've tried a number of sleep aids over the years but I always went back to melatonin+zinc. This combo works pretty well and has a host of health benefits as well. Most recently however, I tried both REM PM by MAN and Lights Out by Iforce Nutrition. Both work well but they have completely different effects. REM PM knocks me out for about 3-4 hours. So much so that I often wonder if it's all natural. I always wake up refershed without a hangover effect. Lights Out, on the other hand, doesn't knock me out at all but helps me sleep deeper when I do fall asleep. Here again, I always wake up refreshed and ready to meet the day. I can take Lights Out and still stay up late but sleep deeper when I do fall asleep. Melatonin+zinc is somewhere in between these two. I have used phenebit but I wake up feeling tired and sometimes a little groogy. If you have trouble falling asleep I would recommend REM PM, however if you fall asleep easily but have trouble waking during the night Lights Out would probably work best.
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