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    Quote Originally Posted by amarula View Post
    Interested. Do you guys think that it's important to split dosages when using this? Or one can have 2500mg in one sip?
    I've used it one bolus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    I've used it one bolus.
    Same here...though knowing Synapsin splits his dose up, kinda tempted to do that our at least try it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Same here...though knowing Synapsin splits his dose up, kinda tempted to do that our at least try it...
    I'm just following what the study stated, not to mention I don't want to possibly get diarrhea from taking it all at once My preworkout mix usually contains a high dose of Agmatine as well.
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    Ive been using 3g pre workout and haven't experienced ANY diarrhea/GI issues. Im usually sensitive to these type of things but not with betaine

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Ive been using 3g pre workout and haven't experienced ANY diarrhea/GI issues. Im usually sensitive to these type of things but not with betaine
    Yeah, appears to vary from user to user.
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    Yeah, no issues here for me either....
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    I dosed it mixed with my pre and had no problems. I swear I could not lose weight while on the stuff. I was leaning out and I swear I was losing fat but the scale read the same for 6 weeks straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swolljaboi View Post
    I dosed it mixed with my pre and had no problems. I swear I could not lose weight while on the stuff. I was leaning out and I swear I was losing fat but the scale read the same for 6 weeks straight.
    This is similar to what we observed in our study: reductions in body fat and increases in lean mass in the betaine group but not the placebo group. My speculation is that the biggest contributor to lean mass increases are the effects of betaine on cellular swelling. Our review was accepted for publication in the journal Amino Acids. The DOI is DOI: 10.1007/s00726-014-1748-5. Keep a lookout.
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    I'm going to run it again ad part of my pct for my Stano/epi cycle. Between the lean mass increases and cortisol control properties I've read about it should be a killer addition to pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swolljaboi View Post
    I dosed it mixed with my pre and had no problems. I swear I could not lose weight while on the stuff. I was leaning out and I swear I was losing fat but the scale read the same for 6 weeks straight.
    Sounds amazing.
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    It's TMG. Names seem to keep changing to keep relevancy. I do like it but not over 1g per dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    It's TMG. Names seem to keep changing to keep relevancy. I do like it but not over 1g per dose.
    Why only 1g per dose? Just curious, I regularly take 2g doses.
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    I noticed the exact same thing. It's honestly a little disheartening on a cut because the weight on the scale never changes. But, I guess it is for the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Sounds amazing.
    lol, I was going to say, that sounds like a great thing.

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    I'm going to add it onto my pct after my current epi run. Hopefully it will help me keep more gains.
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    Been using jarrow tmg at about 3 grams pre workout. My workouts have improved greatly, i wonder if thats the cause
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    Been using jarrow tmg at about 3 grams pre workout. My workouts have improved greatly, i wonder if thats the cause
    There's a great chance it has contributed in that regard; improvements in power, arm size and body composition were mostly noted.

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    I've been using tmg around 750mg pre and the past few weeks my strength has been almost the same as being on cycle. A little drop off but not much.
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    I couldn't agree more with the weight retention. I've leaned up quite a bit, but even eating down to 2000 calories a day I haven't seen the scale go down. Interesting.
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    This is that stuff that SNS was supposed to come out with a bulk powder of right? But only they never ever did
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    This is that stuff that SNS was supposed to come out with a bulk powder of right? But only they never ever did
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    im using the tmg by now and i can say stuff works!one of the few natty ingredients that actually have an effect that cannot be attributed to placebo (unlike anabeta e.g.)
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    It's done..just waiting for manufacturer to get labs before they ship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
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    Edit: good things take time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Quoted so I can see Edit: good things take time
    And are essentially done now. We'll all be reaping the benefits soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    It's done..just waiting for manufacturer to get labs before they ship
    Sns quality plus pricing is always top notch so I'll be getting it regardless, but will there be any benefits to buying it during the release? Only ask cause I have green mag I gotta use up but I am always persuaded to buy for future with sales.

    Also, is there anything to consider when taking choline with tmg? Is it redundant to take both, or does dosing need to change, or just stack at normal doses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtguns89 View Post

    Sns quality plus pricing is always top notch so I'll be getting it regardless, but will there be any benefits to buying it during the release? Only ask cause I have green mag I gotta use up but I am always persuaded to buy for future with sales.

    Also, is there anything to consider when taking choline with tmg? Is it redundant to take both, or does dosing need to change, or just stack at normal doses?
    It's usually up to retailers as far as intro pricing...but for me getting something on sale > no sale
    And just stick to normal dosing of each TMG and choline...
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtguns89 View Post

    Sns quality plus pricing is always top notch so I'll be getting it regardless, but will there be any benefits to buying it during the release? Only ask cause I have green mag I gotta use up but I am always persuaded to buy for future with sales.

    Also, is there anything to consider when taking choline with tmg? Is it redundant to take both, or does dosing need to change, or just stack at normal doses?
    Choline does metabolize into TMG but betaine is far more effective at doing it than choline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Choline does metabolize into TMG but betaine is far more effective at doing it than choline.
    Deciding on sns choline citrate to take with alcar, or cdp choline alone for pre workout focus. So choline wouldn't be taken for a tmg substitute which is why I was interested in taking both and how that works. Just dose tmg at the lower recommended scale I'm guessing would be optimal? I don't think there's a recommended upper limit for sides on tmg if I recall correctly, I just like to be as meticulous about this stuff as I can.
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    White Pump is a good deal for those high doses of agmatine and betaine. I might have to grab some SNS Betaine if the price is right (which Im sure it will be).
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtguns89 View Post

    Deciding on sns choline citrate to take with alcar, or cdp choline alone for pre workout focus. So choline wouldn't be taken for a tmg substitute which is why I was interested in taking both and how that works. Just dose tmg at the lower recommended scale I'm guessing would be optimal? I don't think there's a recommended upper limit for sides on tmg if I recall correctly, I just like to be as meticulous about this stuff as I can.
    You'd be fine stacking both for sure. I wouldnt even take into account the TMG that choline produces and just use betaine for your TMG needs
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    TMG preserves choline if you are deficient in folate and/or betaine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    TMG preserves choline if you are deficient in folate and/or betaine.
    So how does it effect choline when supplementing both tmg and choline if it preserves it? Would that cause an imbalance or an over beneficial amount in your system? Or does your body just adapt and use it as needed and tmg just helps regulate it when needed?

    I realize I'm probably splitting hairs with some of this, but the goal of creating my own stacks with bulk supplies is to get an efficacious amounts of product while still spending the same or saving money, not to throw in everything I could ever want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtguns89 View Post
    So how does it effect choline when supplementing both tmg and choline if it preserves it? Would that cause an imbalance or an over beneficial amount in your system? Or does your body just adapt and use it as needed and tmg just helps regulate it when needed?

    I realize I'm probably splitting hairs with some of this, but the goal of creating my own stacks with bulk supplies is to get an efficacious amounts of product while still spending the same or saving money, not to throw in everything I could ever want.
    It comes down to methylation metabolism: the consumption of methyl groups to produce creatine and (eventually) lipoproteins, as well as transmethylate (detoxify...as a laymans term) homocysteine. Betaine and folate are both major methyl donors. They donate their methyl groups in these reactions. If methyl availability is low (if you are not getting enough folate or betaine in your diet) than choline will be oxidized to form betaine in order to provide the necessary methyl groups. If, on the otherhand, you are already getting folate and betaine in your diet (which you likely are), then the extra betaine will not cause an increase in choline, nor will it likely play a role in choline preservation (since there is little need for choline as part of mythl metabolism).

    So, to answer your question, the likelyhood of excess choline due to betaine + [moderate] chol supplementation small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    It comes down to methylation metabolism: the consumption of methyl groups to produce creatine and (eventually) lipoproteins, as well as transmethylate (detoxify...as a laymans term) homocysteine. Betaine and folate are both major methyl donors. They donate their methyl groups in these reactions. If methyl availability is low (if you are not getting enough folate or betaine in your diet) than choline will be oxidized to form betaine in order to provide the necessary methyl groups. If, on the otherhand, you are already getting folate and betaine in your diet (which you likely are), then the extra betaine will not cause an increase in choline, nor will it likely play a role in choline preservation (since there is little need for choline as part of mythl metabolism). So, to answer your question, the likelyhood of excess choline due to betaine + [moderate] chol supplementation small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    It comes down to methylation metabolism: the consumption of methyl groups to produce creatine and (eventually) lipoproteins, as well as transmethylate (detoxify...as a laymans term) homocysteine. Betaine and folate are both major methyl donors. They donate their methyl groups in these reactions. If methyl availability is low (if you are not getting enough folate or betaine in your diet) than choline will be oxidized to form betaine in order to provide the necessary methyl groups. If, on the otherhand, you are already getting folate and betaine in your diet (which you likely are), then the extra betaine will not cause an increase in choline, nor will it likely play a role in choline preservation (since there is little need for choline as part of mythl metabolism).

    So, to answer your question, the likelyhood of excess choline due to betaine + [moderate] chol supplementation small.
    Going to read that a few times and add these notes to my tmg cheat sheet , great stuff Thanks a lot.
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