[Buffspartan]

I'm starting a new workout routine since I'm completely plateauing right now. I'm doing the Arnold 6 day split and I need a very strong preworkout to keep me going with this. Also, I'm doing this routine all natty with not even a test booster so that makes it even more difficult since it was a routine made for people on gear. Anyway, I'm using White Flood Reborn right now, and I don't think it's gonna cut it anymore. I need something really strong, with little to no creatine. Help me out guys. There's just so many I don't really know where to start. Also, I'm quite stim tolerant.

[mr.cooper69]

No creatine and super strong? PES Enhanced all the way brotha

[SwolenONE]

No creatine and super strong? PES Enhanced all the way brotha

X2, our rep Patuba loves this stuff as do many other friends of mine in the industry who I really trust the opinions of.

[The Solution]

Well if your starting a new routine and plateauing.

What is your diet like? Are you eating enough to recover?
are you doing too much cardio which would hamper recovery?
Are you getting enough sleep?
are you foam rolling/rumble rolling or stretching which will aid recovery?

WFR is a great pre-workout and gives over 200mg per scoop of caffeine which should get most people going. but you have to consider all the other factors, your diet, and recovery to aid your training. Being stim tolerant you should maybe consider PES Enhanced, San fierce domination, Mesomorph, or XF Vengence, or Acute FX/High Volume stack.

Overall get your diet in check , training 6x a week is taxing, make sure your getting plenty of rest/recovery.

[Cordeen]

Stimul8
Alphamine
Craze

[mtinsideout]

Well if your starting a new routine and plateauing.

What is your diet like? Are you eating enough to recover?
are you doing too much cardio which would hamper recovery?
Are you getting enough sleep?
are you foam rolling/rumble rolling or stretching which will aid recovery?

WFR is a great pre-workout and gives over 200mg per scoop of caffeine which should get most people going. but you have to consider all the other factors, your diet, and recovery to aid your training. Being stim tolerant you should maybe consider PES Enhanced, San fierce domination, Mesomorph, or XF Vengence, or Acute FX/High Volume stack.

Overall get your diet in check , training 6x a week is taxing, make sure your getting plenty of rest/recovery.

^^^ This!! Training six days a week is much less practical than I thought, especially if you have any sort of a life lol. I recently switched to a program that has a 6 day split and I'm finding it difficult to make all six days just because of things going on like work, gf, friend got married etc...

[Pop A Molly]

GameDay has thereat me well

[USPlabsRep]

I'm starting a new workout routine since I'm completely plateauing right now. I'm doing the Arnold 6 day split and I need a very strong preworkout to keep me going with this. Also, I'm doing this routine all natty with not even a test booster so that makes it even more difficult since it was a routine made for people on gear. Anyway, I'm using White Flood Reborn right now, and I don't think it's gonna cut it anymore. I need something really strong, with little to no creatine. Help me out guys. There's just so many I don't really know where to start. Also, I'm quite stim tolerant.

Makes it more difficult or nonsensical?

[Jiigzz]

Good advice in here. 6 days is a tad excessive. If you're to hit everything twice then an upper/ lower split twice would be better.

For a pre, enhanced is a good place to start. Or build your own with SNS caffeine + yohimbe + beta alanine and cit mal for energy, endurance and pumps

[Buffspartan]

I'm gonna try it just for the hell of it anyway, just to see what happens. I've also been looking at Neurocore 2.0 and Animal rage. Idk how strong those are.

[Jiigzz]

I'm gonna try it just for the hell of it anyway, just to see what happens. I've also been looking at Neurocore 2.0 and Animal rage. Idk how strong those are.

6 day splits imo should be reserved either for very low volume workouts or for those on gear. If volume is high then 1 day rest will not be adequete for full neural recovery. Expect to feel lethargic and moody constantly

[The Solution]

6 day splits imo should be reserved either for very low volume workouts or for those on gear. If volume is high then 1 day rest will not be adequete for full neural recovery. Expect to feel lethargic and moody constantly

This
Working out more does not = Better
if you want to workout 6x a week the volume has to be lower due to an increase in frequency or having some sort of performance enhacning drugs to aid recovery from the amount of muscle breakdown over the course of the week.

Just for the hell of it does not always = Optimal.

i agree with J, an upper/lower 4x a week, 5/3/1, or a westside variation will bring results given dedication, consistency, and hard work. Sometimes keeping it basic = better results (KISS Principle of keep it simple stupid) Focus on progressive overload, focus on good range of motion/form and just put in work.

The diet is the key point here.

cannot stress that enough

[bakerwil]

I like 1 scoop of enhanced with a scoop of super freak (among other things, it add's 400mg caffeine). Great combination. I find it works better than 2 scoops enhanced.

[Montego1]

Stimul8
Alphamine
Craze

Yessir. Stimul8.

[Jiigzz]

This
Working out more does not = Better
if you want to workout 6x a week the volume has to be lower due to an increase in frequency or having some sort of performance enhacning drugs to aid recovery from the amount of muscle breakdown over the course of the week.

Just for the hell of it does not always = Optimal.

i agree with J, an upper/lower 4x a week, 5/3/1, or a westside variation will bring results given dedication, consistency, and hard work. Sometimes keeping it basic = better results (KISS Principle of keep it simple stupid) Focus on progressive overload, focus on good range of motion/form and just put in work.

The diet is the key point here.

cannot stress that enough

This x10000

[R1balla]

no creatine...would have to give it to enhanced. you can also add Cit Mal to that (at least i do)

[DJBeanPole]

Enhanced
SpeedX3
AcuteFX

Add High Volume to any of the above and have fun!

[flightposite]

Stimul8
Gameday
Stimulant X

[Young Gotti]

what about something like hemavol and condense stacked.....no creatine and even though it only has 200mg's of caffeine, you may not miss the stimulants because of the bump in endurance and other benefits

[tjbruno]

I think the 6 day discussion is pretty interesting. I started a split like this a month ago and have been consistently increasing weights. Before this I was doing the standard 3 or 4 day routine. By the end of the week, I feel tired, but not burnt out or anything. I'm curious to see how long this will last...

[Geoforce]

Fierce Domination and Flashover are my two favorite pres.

[nattydisaster]

I like 1 scoop of enhanced with a scoop of super freak (among other things, it add's 400mg caffeine). Great combination. I find it works better than 2 scoops enhanced.

Damn!!

I would not recommend jumping into this guys combo^^ haha

[Vince5693]

I think the 6 day discussion is pretty interesting. I started a split like this a month ago and have been consistently increasing weights. Before this I was doing the standard 3 or 4 day routine. By the end of the week, I feel tired, but not burnt out or anything. I'm curious to see how long this will last...

I've done multiple 6-day splits and had great success also. It depends a lot on your nutrition and just overall how well your body recovers

[R1balla]

my favorite pre workout stack has been Lit Up + SuperMAX.

[dkgreene88]

My favorite stack between two brands is Hemavol (lemon) and Condense (apple). Crazy energy, focus and pump

[kissdadookie]

No creatine and super strong? PES Enhanced all the way brotha

I must go with this. Enhanced is the way to go, don't let the listed caffeine content fool you OP.

[JudgementDay]

Well if your starting a new routine and plateauing.

What is your diet like? Are you eating enough to recover?
are you doing too much cardio which would hamper recovery?
Are you getting enough sleep?
are you foam rolling/rumble rolling or stretching which will aid recovery?

WFR is a great pre-workout and gives over 200mg per scoop of caffeine which should get most people going. but you have to consider all the other factors, your diet, and recovery to aid your training. Being stim tolerant you should maybe consider PES Enhanced, San fierce domination, Mesomorph, or XF Vengence, or Acute FX/High Volume stack.

Overall get your diet in check , training 6x a week is taxing, make sure your getting plenty of rest/recovery.

Enhanced
SpeedX3
AcuteFX

Add High Volume to any of the above and have fun!

Acute FX all the way for being a very strong pre-workout, only $16.61 right now, hard to beat for that price.

Acute FX+High Volume is unstoppable when it comes to pre-workout stacks....

[SwolenONE]

Fierce Domination and Flashover are my two favorite pres.

Loving the Fierce Domination formula even more with the addition of MCC in the newest production runs.

Edit: Just saw Poison's post that its the blue razz flavor w MCC, either way, awesome formula and the blue razz will be the next pre on my to buy list.

[mr.cooper69]

Loving the Fierce Domination formula even more with the addition of MCC in the newest production runs.

Edit: Just saw Poison's post that its the blue razz flavor w MCC, either way, awesome formula and the blue razz will be the next pre on my to buy list.

Reading skills bro. Fierce domination label has 8mg of magnesium. That's 100mg of MCC...aka not worth it.

[veaderko]

Have to go against the gain on the 6 day split part. I have done it many times and find that depending on nutrition it works well. Of course everyone is different, but for me doing a 6 day split for roughly 8 months had me adding a lot of size and strength with no performance enhancment stuff.

As far as a preWO my vote goes to Hemavol and Condense.