Starting 6 day split, need very strong preworkout!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by veaderko View Post
    Have to go against the gain on the 6 day split part. I have done it many times and find that depending on nutrition it works well. Of course everyone is different, but for me doing a 6 day split for roughly 8 months had me adding a lot of size and strength with no performance enhancment stuff.

    As far as a preWO my vote goes to Hemavol and Condense.
    Really? 8 months doing a 6 day split with no performance enhancing stuff? Not even Dexaprine XR? I'm shocked


  2. Take some Conquer and add some Dexaprine XR if you are stim resistant
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No creatine and super strong? PES Enhanced all the way brotha
    Just got a tub.

    Taste awful, took about 50min before I felt anything.

    Crashed hard, bad headache afterwards.

    Condense on the otherhand is tasty, clean, an you feel it in about 10min, 15 on a full stomach

    Focus xt if you just want clean energy an focus.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Just got a tub.

    Taste awful, took about 50min before I felt anything.

    Crashed hard, bad headache afterwards.

    Condense on the otherhand is tasty, clean, an you feel it in about 10min, 15 on a full stomach

    Focus xt if you just want clean energy an focus.
    Sorry you didn't like it. The overwhelming feedback is the exact opposite, but ya can't please everyone

  5. I've done the six day split a few times on Layne Norton's phat training and I stay on aas(self trt) so my recovery is pretty decent but even in blast mode on a gram of test an 600 DECA I can only handle it for a few weeks before burning out.

    Good preworkouts ANS Stim Factor,or Axiom(nutraplanet needs to start stocking this brand solid products all around and still with the dmaa)C4, just picked up a tub of neon volt because it was on sale pretty decent stuff, enhanced is good but yohimbine doesn't set well with everyone
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    I'm starting a new workout routine since I'm completely plateauing right now. I'm doing the Arnold 6 day split and I need a very strong preworkout to keep me going with this. Also, I'm doing this routine all natty with not even a test booster so that makes it even more difficult since it was a routine made for people on gear. Anyway, I'm using White Flood Reborn right now, and I don't think it's gonna cut it anymore. I need something really strong, with little to no creatine. Help me out guys. There's just so many I don't really know where to start. Also, I'm quite stim tolerant.
    One scoop of our new Level 2 plus, 1 scoop of Endurance and some added bulk agmatine would do really well for you, I think! Big energy, great endurance and a good pump with no creatine = exactly what you asked for! Also has NO DMAA, so you know it's something you'll be able to use well into the forseable future.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Sorry you didn't like it. The overwhelming feedback is the exact opposite, but ya can't please everyone
    It isn't as bad as 1,3 dimeth for me.

    Also didn't have to pee a bunch, or experience gastro intestinal distress from it ( didn't make me dookie for those that are like wut?)
    Yesterday was more of a comparison to focus xt for energy an alertness, today I'll work out and compare it with condense, also put up a video review.

    You really don't know how excited I was to try this cy.

    I rarely spend MY money on supps. So when I see feedback like I've seen with enhanced, I hold it to a much higher expectation. Cause I only want to spend dollars on products that bring results.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    It isn't as bad as 1,3 dimeth for me.

    Also didn't have to pee a bunch, or experience gastro intestinal distress from it ( didn't make me dookie for those that are like wut?)
    Yesterday was more of a comparison to focus xt for energy an alertness, today I'll work out and compare it with condense, also put up a video review.

    You really don't know how excited I was to try this cy.

    I rarely spend MY money on supps. So when I see feedback like I've seen with enhanced, I hold it to a much higher expectation. Cause I only want to spend dollars on products that bring results.
    Man, that sucks. Stuff works amazingly well for me, though I do agree, it takes longer for the effects to peak than most preworkouts. I don't crash from it though. Taste is tolerable, it's not disgusting like Craze was :P

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Man, that sucks. Stuff works amazingly well for me, though I do agree, it takes longer for the effects to peak than most preworkouts. I don't crash from it though. Taste is tolerable, it's not disgusting like Craze was :P
    never tried craze. but today took it with my usual additions, agmatine (1g) and and one scoop it cit malate, 3.5g I think, and workout was pretty good. took it 30min before my workout, and it kicked in about 15min into my workout.

    once it did, the added energy an focus was good. about to go hiking so I guess the delayed effect is good in this situation, cause I'll need to extra energy.

    miss the tingles from beta al though, it def needs a few more ingredients. but it's okay. taste better with the cit malate, and it is better than nitro shock an anadraulic state gt (taste wise)

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    It isn't as bad as 1,3 dimeth for me.

    Also didn't have to pee a bunch, or experience gastro intestinal distress from it ( didn't make me dookie for those that are like wut?)
    Yesterday was more of a comparison to focus xt for energy an alertness, today I'll work out and compare it with condense, also put up a video review.

    You really don't know how excited I was to try this cy.

    I rarely spend MY money on supps. So when I see feedback like I've seen with enhanced, I hold it to a much higher expectation. Cause I only want to spend dollars on products that bring results.
    I feel ya man, and as someone who rotates Focus XT and Enhanced regularly, I've personally never noticed odd effects from either. This is where user variability is most relevant: to stimulant complexes. Hence there's no one-size-fits-all

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I feel ya man, and as someone who rotates Focus XT and Enhanced regularly, I've personally never noticed odd effects from either. This is where user variability is most relevant: to stimulant complexes. Hence there's no one-size-fits-all
    I'll run a full log with videos when I finish my condense,

  12. I have seen may different approaches over the years and Each major body part effectively done once every 5 to 7 days gets it done for most, you could possibly do your smaller body parts 2x but why..each person is different and what you belive in your heart and therefore put the effort in to will work until you reach overtraining.
    Mike mentzer was a fan of short and sweet and Arnold was the heavy volume workaholic..both have merit in my opinion and there should be a balance of both according to caloric intake stress and life.
    Just my thoughts

  13. unless you are on supraphysiological dosages steroids, lifting 6-7 days a week is counterproductive.

  14. I'd disagree. A program needs to be properly programmed and it can work just done as a 6/7 day split. I do:

    Monday: Chest, Back
    Tuesday: Legs
    Wednesday: Abs, calfs, forearms
    Thursday: Shoulders
    Friday, dynamic chest, Arms
    Saturday: Dynamic legs, posterior chain work
    Sunday: off

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    I'd disagree. A program needs to be properly programmed and it can work just done as a 6/7 day split. I do:

    Monday: Chest, Back
    Tuesday: Legs
    Wednesday: Abs, calfs, forearms
    Thursday: Shoulders
    Friday, dynamic chest, Arms
    Saturday: Dynamic legs, posterior chain work
    Sunday: off
    What's your volume like? Recovery of muscle groups is one thing, but recovery of the CNS is another. Even elite athletes taper up and down because they know that overdoing something is counter productive.

    You can train everyday if you wanted, but the program should be drawn up by someone who understands the inverse relationships between intensity and volume and can ensure that the CNS can adequately recover between sessions.

    If you trained 6 days per week, then you should also be incorporating more frequent deload weeks i.e. every 4th week or so to allow for adequate CNS recovery.

    Although I would say that your Wednesday could be considered a recovery day for your CNS.
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  16. I do consider Wednesday an off day. Just get in there to hit the things I usually miss, and to compliment my CBL diet.

    Volume is decently high, but not crazy.

    I'lll see if I can upload my routine for download.

  17. Exactly! there is much to consider..Do your home work, listen to your body and figure out what works for you.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    unless you are on supraphysiological dosages steroids, lifting 6-7 days a week is counterproductive.
    Very true, I cherish my days off on my 5 day split.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Buffspartan View Post
    I'm starting a new workout routine since I'm completely plateauing right now. I'm doing the Arnold 6 day split and I need a very strong preworkout to keep me going with this. Also, I'm doing this routine all natty with not even a test booster so that makes it even more difficult since it was a routine made for people on gear. Anyway, I'm using White Flood Reborn right now, and I don't think it's gonna cut it anymore. I need something really strong, with little to no creatine. Help me out guys. There's just so many I don't really know where to start. Also, I'm quite stim tolerant.

    Formutech Nutrition just put out Level II which is a pre workout thermogenic. Original designed use would suggest pre cardio and fat loss. However, I took this for the fist time the other day pre workout. I am doing a 6 day split. I added 2g of Prima Force agmatine. It was insane, the energy and focus was highly impressive. My entire body heated up and I hit the weights like a mad man. I would recommend you give it a try. There is no creatine, it's a themo, gives crazy energy, gives insane focus, and will carry you every bit if your workout. Add the agmatine and get the pumps and even cit mal and beta alanine would go great with it.

    I was super pumped about the explosive energy an focus I had. I have been using some Condense that Purus provided me. I really enjoyed that and will use it again. But the Level II hit me and just gave me what I needed to kill my training.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    Just got a tub.

    Taste awful, took about 50min before I felt anything.

    Crashed hard, bad headache afterwards.

    Condense on the otherhand is tasty, clean, an you feel it in about 10min, 15 on a full stomach

    Focus xt if you just want clean energy an focus.
    Taste is average, not great. I also agree on the delayed effects.

    Enhanced doesnt hit me on the front end very hard to where i get jitters or go apes in the gym. But, after about 45min, i just get this dialed in focus and very subtle energy. So subtle i may not feel it....until i try to go to sleep and wonder why im staring at the ceiling eyes wide open planning the next month of my life lol

    just finished a tub. will wait a while to run it again. but, id say 1.5 scoops for o.p could get it cranking.

    Or, if you need it to hit harder out front add 100mgs caffeine or more to 1 scoop.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by tjbruno View Post
    I think the 6 day discussion is pretty interesting. I started a split like this a month ago and have been consistently increasing weights. Before this I was doing the standard 3 or 4 day routine. By the end of the week, I feel tired, but not burnt out or anything. I'm curious to see how long this will last...
    I'm starting a 6-day routine next week. It'll be mulit-joint/lower volume the first halfs of each week while the end will be single-joint/higher volume on the back end. It'll be my first time training more than 5 days/week in such an organized manner.

  22. So I did end up going with Animal rage, but I really appreciate the input. The 6 day split is working great and doesn't seem to be too much for me so far. I will be cycling off of stims for a while so I'll prob just stick with Hemavol for a while, but when I go back to taking stims I'm definitely gonna use one of your suggestions! Thanks guys.
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