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    I would look into Acute FX, not only because it's on sale for $16.61, but reviews have shown it's a very strong pre-workout and imo compares to Craze very well for high energy. Hemavol stacked with it would be a great stack or could stack High Volume with it and get 5g of L-Citrilline per serving, which is about the same as 10g of Citrulline Malate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post

    Doesnt have high amounts of caffeine but you want something that is Over 200mg Caffeine? Kind of confused on your statement.
    C4 would be a great choice because its 135mg per serving, and stacked with Hemavol would be great as well as Potassium Nitrate by Iforce.

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    Obviously my choice I've done is Alphamine with a cap of Methyl-synephrine. But other options would be for me San Fierce Domination. For no stim I love me some Omega's Ultima.
    How do you rate SAN's pre workout? Quite interesting profile... Any idea of caffeine content?
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    For a non stim pre try caffeine free focus XT + high volume or if stim is what you're after, SNS caffeine + yohimbe + high volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post
    Ok, I actually counted the ones that got more than 1 vote:

    Stimul8e - The ingredients looks really nice, but I could hardly find reviews on it.
    Ritual - Looks nice also, but I read some reviews about ppl getting upset stomach.
    PES Enhanced - Same as ritual.
    ClearShot Concentrate - Ingredients list looks rather slim.
    Alphamine - Saw that it has very good reviews, but it's more of a cutting PWO imo.
    San Fierce Domination - Looks nice.
    Assault - I had the original assault and it was just ok , is the new one so much better?
    Conquer - Saw mixed reviews.

    BUT, the counting voting system is flawed -most of you guys are reps for some company, so of course you will recommend your own products
    is there any rep here that can recommend another company's PWO?
    Get enhanced! I am not a rep - it's seriously good. For the second one, get Stim8 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I have indeed tried stimul8, and even spoken with the formulator. It's a lot of stimulants, but it won't provide a low-caffeine energy rush.
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    I could say if your not using Stimul8 you should be but after that...

    Muscle Marinade big stim
    Focus Xt great focus
    Game Day good stim good focus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    How do you rate SAN's pre workout? Quite interesting profile... Any idea of caffeine content?
    It was good I thought it would be better than it was cause the profile is really good. But no complaints it was a solid pre. Don't know caffeine content off top of my head sorry.
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    I will echo the statements of those that suggested stimul8 and gameday. Both are great! Not sure on the caffein content but they pack a punch.

    But I'm surprised no one has mentioned SuperSize. It's a great preworkout with zero crash and smooth energy. Very underestimated preworkout in my opinion.
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    HEmavol + Conquer is a really good preworkout! its definitely worth a try
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    ok, atm I'm trying to decide between PES Enhanced and Stimul8.

    Leaning towards Stimul8 tbh just cause the ingredients list looks better to me, only downside both of them do not contain creatine.

    I am probably going to stack them with hemavol, any good creatine product I should stack with them as well ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard12
    ok, atm I'm trying to decide between PES Enhanced and Stimul8.

    Leaning towards Stimul8 tbh just cause the ingredients list looks better to me, only downside both of them do not contain creatine.

    I am probably going to stack them with hemavol, any good creatine product I should stack with them as well ?
    I like stimul8. Haven't tried enhanced yet. But just ad some creatine mono. Cheap and effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post
    ok, atm I'm trying to decide between PES Enhanced and Stimul8.

    Leaning towards Stimul8 tbh just cause the ingredients list looks better to me, only downside both of them do not contain creatine.

    I am probably going to stack them with hemavol, any good creatine product I should stack with them as well ?
    just grab something like creaplex....just grab a quality mono thats micronized or creapure
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post
    ok, atm I'm trying to decide between PES Enhanced and Stimul8.

    Leaning towards Stimul8 tbh just cause the ingredients list looks better to me, only downside both of them do not contain creatine.

    I am probably going to stack them with hemavol, any good creatine product I should stack with them as well ?
    Check out this deal on Nutraplanet.

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/r...-freebies.html

    The stack comes with our Crea Trona creatine in a sample size as well as Max Pump. This is a great stack for strength and endurance and has enough of the samples there for you to gauge how you like all three products together.
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    I made an order for that stack, hope I wont be disappointed.

    Also, I keep in mind all other PWO that won most of your votes which are Enhanced, New Assault , Alphamine , Conquer and Muscle Marinade.

    Thank you guys for your help, much appreciated.
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    Tried a stimul8 sample yesterday, just felt jittery and tired. Thumbs down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Tried a stimul8 sample yesterday, just felt jittery and tired. Thumbs down.
    First I've heard of this reaction. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Tried a stimul8 sample yesterday, just felt jittery and tired. Thumbs down.
    Try half. And yeah first time I've seen anyone not like it lol. Big fat liar :P
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    I have around 6 more sample packs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I have around 6 more sample packs.
    The big fat liar part was a joke seriously though try half a scoop. Stimul8 isn't designed to make you feel jittery so I think it might have been just a bit too much brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    The big fat liar part was a joke seriously though try half a scoop. Stimul8 isn't designed to make you feel jittery so I think it might have been just a bit too much brother.
    I have a pretty high stim tolerance, so I don't know. It was a strange feeling because I was tired and jittery at the same time. Did cardio, and usually I can get my heart rate up to target with 10-15 minutes. It took me 50 minutes of 60 minute session to finally hit my target HR....
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    I have a pretty high stim tolerance, so I don't know. It was a strange feeling because I was tired and jittery at the same time. Did cardio, and usually I can get my heart rate up to target with 10-15 minutes. It took me 50 minutes of 60 minute session to finally hit my target HR....
    I'm a stim junkie too and a full scoop is almost too much for me. This coming from a guy who loved a full scoop of Muscle Marinade and two scoops of Condense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I'm a stim junkie too and a full scoop is almost too much for me. This coming from a guy who loved a full scoop of Muscle Marinade and two scoops of Condense.
    Two scoops enhanced pre workout and one to sip during my workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    Two scoops enhanced pre workout and one to sip during my workout.
    Wish I could enjoy that with you but Enhanced didn't agree with me (most likely the yohimbine). This actually made me very sceptical about Stimul8 since its a pretty powerful thermo. So far I haven't had the same experience at all. I actually sweat very little on Stimul8 compared to other users.
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    I know its not sold on nutraplanet but I've been stuck on ANS Stimfactor or ANS Axiom for awhile both have good doses of dmaa and your usual preworkout ingredients, agmatine, beta alanine, betaine caffeine. The stimfactor is the stronger of the 2 as far as stims go
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    Hey bro,
    Sorry if I'm too late but I would go with Alpha Rage by MGN. It's really one of my personal favorite pre workouts. I always get increased focus and intense pump!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    Hey bro,
    Sorry if I'm too late but I would go with Alpha Rage by MGN. It's really one of my personal favorite pre workouts. I always get increased focus and intense pump!
    No anavar.. no care.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    No anavar.. no care.....

    MesoMorph, Enhanced blows this away.....
    the mesomorph of a few years ago was probably my favorite all time pre!!!

    it's a shame greed has to drive companies to change formulas in an attempt to boost profits!!!

    fortunately this backfired and now mesomorph is no longer at the top of anyones list!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    the mesomorph of a few years ago was probably my favorite all time pre!!!

    it's a shame greed has to drive companies to change formulas in an attempt to boost profits!!!

    fortunately this backfired and now mesomorph is no longer at the top of anyones list!!!

    hopefully other companies will learn from this mistake!!!

    You and I both! I remember those Mesomorph days, when we'd trade info on stims. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    You and I both! I remember those Mesomorph days, when we'd trade info on stims. Lol.
    i've got 2 sample packs of ritual i am gonna try out tomorrow!!!

    but yeah, mesomorph was more talked about than any other supp on this forum before formula change....look what it got them, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i've got 2 sample packs of ritual i am gonna try out tomorrow!!! but yeah, mesomorph was more talked about than any other supp on this forum before formula change....look what it got them, lol.
    Original Mesomorph was popular but yah....
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    I said this in another Craze thread but how does Craze even compare to Enhanced?
    Craze made me feel stoned. Completely ruined my workouts.
    Enhanced is the new (better version) of Mesomorph IMO.
    Throw in some micro GMS and a scoop or two of High Volume and see if you can get your earbud out of your ear after back or arms day lol.
    I can't even reach close with a pump like that.
    I have to either bend down or just yank on the cord.
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    Couldn't stand craze, made me feel like a tweeked out zombie same for anything with dendrobium that's some nasty sh!t
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Couldn't stand craze, made me feel like a tweeked out zombie same for anything with dendrobium that's some nasty sh!t
    and this from the 'SWOLE STONER', lol............
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I said this in another Craze thread but how does Craze even compare to Enhanced?
    Craze made me feel stoned. Completely ruined my workouts.
    Enhanced is the new (better version) of Mesomorph IMO.
    Throw in some micro GMS and a scoop or two of High Volume and see if you can get your earbud out of your ear after back or arms day lol.
    I can't even reach close with a pump like that.
    I have to either bend down or just yank on the cord.
    Can't even reach my shaker cup to my mouth lol.
    I have seen photo evidence of your pump lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I said this in another Craze thread but how does Craze even compare to Enhanced?
    Craze made me feel stoned. Completely ruined my workouts.
    Enhanced is the new (better version) of Mesomorph IMO.
    Throw in some micro GMS and a scoop or two of High Volume and see if you can get your earbud out of your ear after back or arms day lol.
    I can't even reach close with a pump like that.
    I have to either bend down or just yank on the cord.
    Can't even reach my shaker cup to my mouth lol.
    if you think enhanced is the new[better formula of mesomorph i might have to give it a try, i value your opinion!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I said this in another Craze thread but how does Craze even compare to Enhanced?
    Craze made me feel stoned. Completely ruined my workouts.
    Enhanced is the new (better version) of Mesomorph IMO.
    Throw in some micro GMS and a scoop or two of High Volume and see if you can get your earbud out of your ear after back or arms day lol.
    I can't even reach close with a pump like that.
    I have to either bend down or just yank on the cord.
    Can't even reach my shaker cup to my mouth lol.
    And I've seen posts where enhanced made people sick to there stomach. I think it depends on the person. Crazed is total energy but not so great of pumps and enhanced is not quite as much energy but much better pumps IMO. I love both of them now that craze is gone enhanced is my goto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snyderd1972 View Post

    And I've seen posts where enhanced made people sick to there stomach. I think it depends on the person. Crazed is total energy but not so great of pumps and enhanced is not quite as much energy but much better pumps IMO. I love both of them now that craze is gone enhanced is my goto.
    I'm sure some people do get sick. Everyone thinks they're a stim badass and goes the full two scoops.
    Some people just don't like fruit punch lol.
    I remember the original Beast Mode. I gagged with every sip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post

    if you think enhanced is the new[better formula of mesomorph i might have to give it a try, i value your opinion!!!
    I remember how wet Mesomorph used to make you lol.
    One thing you might notice is you won't get that skin tingle though. Just add some beta alanine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I remember how wet Mesomorph used to make you lol.
    One thing you might notice is you won't get that skin tingle though. Just add some beta alanine.
    lol...yeah, i was a real fan of meso, no doubt!!!
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