Genomyx's Novel Stim "AMP" vs. DMAA

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  1. So it was a good first impression. Right now 8.5/10. I feel exhausted right now but my contacts are bothering me too. Had an ok workout but my sister had to put her dog down and it was cut short. I'll update again tomorrow. Definitely noticed enhanced focus and energy at 1.5 scoops. Taste was good. I'll give a more detailed review tomorrow
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140
    So it was a good first impression. Right now 8.5/10. I feel exhausted right now but my contacts are bothering me too. Had an ok workout but my sister had to put her dog down and it was cut short. I'll update again tomorrow. Definitely noticed enhanced focus and energy at 1.5 scoops. Taste was good. I'll give a more detailed review tomorrow
    Any updates to this brother? Id love to hear how it stacks up to other pres you have tried.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Any updates to this brother? Id love to hear how it stacks up to other pres you have tried.
    So far I like it. It's a clean focus and no dmaa sides. I have been at 1.5 scoops but am going to bum it to two scoops today. As compared to other pre's I really like the focus and energy. I don't respond well to yohimbine so this is the strongest pre for me there than ec. I'll update two scoops today after I hit chest/tri's. I would highly recommend at this point. Only downfall may be cost per serving at two scoop. Np insider sale should be up soon I hope!
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by jamesgatz83 View Post
    Looking for info from some of the more knowledgeable forum members.

    Anyone able to provide input on similarities and differences between 4-amino-2-methylpenatane (AMP) and DMAA?
    Have had it in the lab since April- characteristics, structure, etc all very similar to DMAA (even tested out very similar)- tried it with multiple blends; my assessment- we will not touch it with a 10-foot pole, lol.....but I will caveat this by stating that it is very effective, but the argument for natural occurrence just isn't strong enough in my eyes
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
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  5. On the dosing side- 200 mg of AMP will do the trick for the average person who is roughly 200 lbs. (89 kg), so the effective threshold would probably be 1.8-2.2 mg/kg, depending on stim tolerance, etc. (slightly lower if combined with other stims)

    As with DMAA- seems to work better with caffeine- I was doing a 1:1 ratio in some of the blends we tried; we have gone up to 400 mg and higher of the combination during a couple of the testing phases- 400 mg 1:1 will really get your attention, but the crash is pretty bad, unfortunately.
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
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  6. Original AMP was made by e-pharm and included was DMAA and it was brought to the market by PA....So I'm not sure what you are calling "novel"?.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Original AMP was made by e-pharm and included was DMAA and it was brought to the market by PA....So I'm not sure what you are calling "novel"?.
    They call the stim itself amp. Like pa called it geranamine Iirc. I do see the confusion.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    They call the stim itself amp. Like pa called it geranamine Iirc. I do see the confusion.
    Yes- the ingredient supplier is calling it Methyl AMP Citrate
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    They call the stim itself amp. Like pa called it geranamine Iirc. I do see the confusion.
    Yep, I got confused. I love getting old!

  10. Now that this old man figured out what was going here, I ordered a bottle of this stuff. I loved/love DMAA so this should be right up my alley!. Once I saw that it was gonna be similar I had to get a tub. Hopefully I don't need more than 1.5 scoops. It'll be expensive if I need 2 scoops per workout. That'd make it only 20 workouts per container. Guess I could do one scoop and see how I feel. If I need more energy I could stack it with another pre. Or only take it twice a week or something. Love/loved DMAA, problem is tolerance with that stuff builds extremely quickly.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    Have had it in the lab since April- characteristics, structure, etc all very similar to DMAA (even tested out very similar)- tried it with multiple blends; my assessment- we will not touch it with a 10-foot pole, lol.....but I will caveat this by stating that it is very effective, but the argument for natural occurrence just isn't strong enough in my eyes
    Agree with all of this. Got a tub for studying though

  12. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    Have had it in the lab since April- characteristics, structure, etc all very similar to DMAA (even tested out very similar)- tried it with multiple blends; my assessment- we will not touch it with a 10-foot pole, lol.....but I will caveat this by stating that it is very effective, but the argument for natural occurrence just isn't strong enough in my eyes
    Do you think this stuff would cause a bunch of false positives like DMAA did? I know its hard to know for sure but figured i would ask.
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  13. Not sure about false positive... but so far it has been hitting a little harder than ec. More energy and no dmaa sides. Very well done IMHO
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Do you think this stuff would cause a bunch of false positives like DMAA did? I know its hard to know for sure but figured i would ask.
    Did DMAA cause false positives?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Not sure about false positive... but so far it has been hitting a little harder than ec. More energy and no dmaa sides. Very well done IMHO
    i would say it throws out less NE than dmaa but by far more dopamine....
    doing my own thang!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Did DMAA cause false positives?
    Yea it was known to cause false positives.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Afi140 View Post
    Not sure about false positive... but so far it has been hitting a little harder than ec. More energy and no dmaa sides. Very well done IMHO
    Dang, I don't even have mine yet and it sounds like I'll be wanting more once my order comes in!.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Dang, I don't even have mine yet and it sounds like I'll be wanting more once my order comes in!.
    This is at 2 scoops but yeah it has treated me very well thus far. Interested to see how it treats you!
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Agree with all of this. Got a tub for studying though
    LOL- we capped up about 25,000 capsules in a combo blend with caffeine and a couple other goodies just for fun (wanted to see how it ran in automatic machinery); great for doing research or analytical method development
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  20. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Now that this old man figured out what was going here, I ordered a bottle of this stuff. I loved/love DMAA so this should be right up my alley!. Once I saw that it was gonna be similar I had to get a tub. Hopefully I don't need more than 1.5 scoops. It'll be expensive if I need 2 scoops per workout. That'd make it only 20 workouts per container. Guess I could do one scoop and see how I feel. If I need more energy I could stack it with another pre. Or only take it twice a week or something. Love/loved DMAA, problem is tolerance with that stuff builds extremely quickly.
    Same way with Methyl AMP as well, unfortunately- you will love it the first few times you use it, but you will have to keep escalating the dose.....
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  21. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Do you think this stuff would cause a bunch of false positives like DMAA did? I know its hard to know for sure but figured i would ask.
    What Coop said /\, lol
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  22. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Do you think this stuff would cause a bunch of false positives like DMAA did? I know its hard to know for sure but figured i would ask.
    I have heard of DMAA causing this anecdotally, but I don't have any hard evidence to support this
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  23. So now what do I do..
    Try this stuff next or try condense...
    Man this is ridiculous

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rosemont83 View Post
    So now what do I do.. Try this stuff next or try condense... Man this is ridiculous
    Try this. Condense is caffeine and nitrates. Good in its own right just not nearly as powerful. Depends on your goals
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    LOL- we capped up about 25,000 capsules in a combo blend with caffeine and a couple other goodies just for fun (wanted to see how it ran in automatic machinery); great for doing research or analytical method development
    Any chance that gets bottled? Really want a stim, but tired of mixing and drinking liquids.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Any chance that gets bottled? Really want a stim, but tired of mixing and drinking liquids.
    I don't think they'd risk it. AN seems to be very adherent to compliance laws

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Any chance that gets bottled? Really want a stim, but tired of mixing and drinking liquids.
    I would love to help you out, but this one is never going to get released- we (as a company) can either learn a lesson through personal experience, or watching those around us; with that being said, we are going to sit this one out.....maybe try Uncut- it sounds like what you are looking for; it isn't as "clean" as this component from a mental perspective, but it is just as potent, and lasts quite a bit longer
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  28. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't think they'd risk it. AN seems to be very adherent to compliance laws
    It is where the industry is going- personally, I like it better this way- fits a lot better with our business model, which is based around mfg.
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  29. Have tried EVOL two times so far and I like it enough to buy more already. I think I will only use it twice per week though, don't want to build tolerance too quickly. Mood, focus, and endurance. This stuff is amazing. Get it, it really has to be experienced.

  30. Here is a mini review for now, until the product review section has this product up.

    It's really different than anything I've tried so far. The stim feeling is like a "there when you need it type of feeling". It's like you feel it but its not strong until you need to do some actual work. I noticed I was completely focused on my lifts. It was like everything else faded out and concentrating on my lift "faded in". Very focused and a little euphoric at the same time. My mood was amazingly great. I felt as though absolutely nothing could bother and finishing my workout was the mission. Absolute confidence on every single lift. Even after I left the gym, while driving it was like I was anticipating other drivers moves...I saw in my mind where I was going to drive next, took the appropriate action and arrived at my destination safe. It made concentration easy, even effortless....The energy lasted from around 11AM when I finished the drink to around 3:30-4PM. This was on 1.5 Scoops. I don't even think I need that much, but it was a great experience.

    Haven't experienced any type of side effects yet as far as stim dong or libido drops go from stimulants. Oh yeah, it mixes perfectly in a shaker cup and tastes amazing too!.
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