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    Alphamine - US vs. INTL version


    For people who have tried both, did you notice the INTL version being inferior in any way due to the removal of the yohimbine? I know that the INTL version tries to make up for it by adding extra amounts of some ingredients, but I'm not convinced that this would replace the SA-2. I've done some research on a few forums and the only people who say that they are almost the same and can't notice the difference are PES reps. I'd like some opinions from non-reps if possible please. Thanks!

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    I know you don't want a rep reply, but I actually have not used the international version. What I can tell you is that based on what I know about the formula, it will be as effective as the US version on paper.
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    When you say INT version what country?

    I'd be surprised if the Aus version was as effective as the US version on paper...
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    I'm looking at UK. Have not checked Aus...yet
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    We have an International version of the formula minus SA2-A. We also have an Australian formula which is significantly different.

    In terms of the UK formula, here is a summary from me to a customer.

    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    So I've now tried both the EU and US version of Alphamine and I can confirm what John from PES has said that the immediate effects they produce are similar. However over the course of a few weeks, I expect the US version to yield better fat loss due to its A2 receptor antagonism, especially if sub 12% body fat.
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    Thank you for your summary. I think most people would agree with this.

    However, I think if I sent you one version of each in unmarked tubs you wouldn't know which one produced better results. It is the placebo/nocebo effect in that people expect the UK formula to be weaker.
    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    What about the A2 receptor antagonism though? I expect that is only a factor for those who have areas of stubborn fat, which I have. Products containing alpha-yohimbine have always helped me in this regard.
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    I agree that I would pick the version with SA2-A if I had the chance, I really like yohimbe as an ingredient.

    What I mean is, I think people's preference is based upon them knowing there is something else in the USA formula vs the UK formula. The only reviews I have read where people have tried both formulas always concluded with which they think they would prefer rather than noticing actual results in terms of body composition between the two products.

    For example, if I had to pick I would pick the version with yohimbe extracts however if you sent me some in an unlabeled tub I wouldn't be confident that I would be able to tell the difference between the two in terms of feel or results. I have extensive experience in testing yohimbe extracts for PES so have used them standalone or combined with other ingredients and I am not confident I would be able to know which was which if I did a blind taste test or four week trial run.

    I hope this makes sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    It does and my initial experience agrees with your view. I can't tell the difference between the two.
    So, his conclusion was the same as mine. Although people want SA2-A on paper, when actually trying the two they cannot tell the difference.
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    Thanks guys.

    I'm back in the uk next week and may try the int alphamine.

    I can't help but think the Aus version has been stripped down too much. I know a few ingredients would not be compliant but it was stripped down to the point it was maybe overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain1668 View Post
    Thanks guys.

    I'm back in the uk next week and may try the int alphamine.

    I can't help but think the Aus version has been stripped down too much. I know a few ingredients would not be compliant but it was stripped down to the point it was maybe overkill.

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    I haven't tried the Australian version.

    Australia has very different laws. Compliance has to be of paramount importance and their restricted ingredients are plentiful.
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    I'm with Ben, I have used the international version , but not the Aus Alphamine. I didn't notice a difference between US and Int. version.
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    Thank you for the honest replies. I will most likely be buying tubs of Alphamine during my cut, because even without the SA-2 it probably is the best fat burner on the market for me. That being said, I ordered Alphamine off of smart powders like a month ago and it's still stuck at Canadian customs (in Vancouver) and I'm in Calgary, and I just realized the version that smart powders sell is the US version with the SA-2 which is banned here. What do you guys reckon will happen? I've been dying here on my cut without any supplemental help...I'm eating at a 10% caloric deficit, but I'm running the Texas Method with 40% reduced volume but let me tell you this: life sucks! I haven't PR'd in three weeks

    One question regarding Alphamine; I know that it helps maintain strength but does it help GAIN strength (i.e. weekly PR's)? Nothing would make me happier than adding 5lbs on my squat weekly while losing fat
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    Anyone know a way to get the Int. version in the USA? I would love to take it as I am not a huge Y fan even though the SA2 is the best one so far for me.
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    I was pretty excited when I saw alphamine in a supp store here in Aus, but I have to agree with Iain, it seems like almost half of the profile is gone. Obviously the yohimbe had to go, but I'm pretty surprised the olive leaf extract and choline were removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    Anyone know a way to get the Int. version in the USA? I would love to take it as I am not a huge Y fan even though the SA2 is the best one so far for me.
    http://pescience.com/alphamine-int.html

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    Legislation. Even choline had to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daxter View Post
    http://pescience.com/alphamine-int.html

    Full credit to Ben who organised it for us a while back
    Thank you sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daxter View Post
    I was pretty excited when I saw alphamine in a supp store here in Aus, but I have to agree with Iain, it seems like almost half of the profile is gone. Obviously the yohimbe had to go, but I'm pretty surprised the olive leaf extract and choline were removed.
    I don't blame PES for the formula drop off...

    It's the suppliers, they're notorious for crucifying supplements. More interested in how many flavours and how sweet they can make it.

    Anyway, don't want to hijack OP's thread...
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    So is the populace simply not standing up for their right to use natural products in AU? I know that no matter what the people go if the gov wants it gone it will be but in the US we have been successful at stopping a lot, not all, bad supp legislation. AU sounds like it has a lot of laws I could never tolerate.
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    Australia has become an increasingly controlling nanny state. It has come to the point where we have to order the superior quality supplements from the USA and run the risk of customs taking them. There are many ways to lodge complaints but unfortunately we are the minority.
    The AUS version of alphamine is simply not worth it in my opinion. If you can get the US version that would be best but I would even settle for the UK version.

    Edit: Perosnally I think if the government cant find a was they can tax it, they just ban it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Legislation. Even choline had to go.
    Ridiculous.

    Luckily in NZ choline is still allowed; although i cant understand why it would be banned.

    Ive order the int version of alphamine twice and it wasnt confiscated,but it is a pricey risk. Ive lost two bottles of erase to some now very dry customs officers..
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    Can a Canadian PES rep PM me where I can get Alphamine in Canada (or preferably, in Calgary)? Thanks.
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    Wow that's too bad for all you in AU. I would understand if the politicians had solved all the worlds problems but it seems instead of actually taking on the tough challenges they prefer to take on a crusade against easy targets, at least thats how they do things here in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    Wow that's too bad for all you in AU. I would understand if the politicians had solved all the worlds problems but it seems instead of actually taking on the tough challenges they prefer to take on a crusade against easy targets, at least thats how they do things here in the US.
    Forget meth, forget cannabis, the source of all problems are yohimbe. Apparantly being shredded causes people to enter hulk mode
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    Give me 10billiion dollars and i wouldnt want to live in AUS because of their ridiculous laws
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    I live is aus and am currently using it..havent tried the us one obv but I can imagine how much better it would be

    Ive cleaned up my diet alot lately so its hard to tell just how much of my loss is alpha and how much is diet...ill admit the first couple times I tried it I got a little jittery but now im not getting any of thoae effects and wonder if its still working??
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    Jitters should not be confused as an equivalent for fat burning.
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    Aus version FYI
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    Aus version FYI
    WTF?
    No wonder it's only $44 here, I wouldn't even pay $20.

    I have the international version, which PES sent me and got through customs fine. Id say the best fat burner currently available here may be OxyShred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperfluxe View Post
    Can a Canadian PES rep PM me where I can get Alphamine in Canada (or preferably, in Calgary)? Thanks.
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    I have the Canadian version and I was if adding alphaburn would be a good alternative since Yohimbe was removed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathius View Post
    I have the Canadian version and I was if adding alphaburn would be a good alternative since Yohimbe was removed?
    That'd be fine if you wish to use that as your yohimbine source with the Canadian Alphamine.
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    Thanks. That is what I'm going to do. I'm also going to add some Forskolin-95 to the stack.
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