Alphamine - US vs. INTL version

[Hyperfluxe]

For people who have tried both, did you notice the INTL version being inferior in any way due to the removal of the yohimbine? I know that the INTL version tries to make up for it by adding extra amounts of some ingredients, but I'm not convinced that this would replace the SA-2. I've done some research on a few forums and the only people who say that they are almost the same and can't notice the difference are PES reps. I'd like some opinions from non-reps if possible please. Thanks!

 

[mr.cooper69]

I know you don't want a rep reply, but I actually have not used the international version. What I can tell you is that based on what I know about the formula, it will be as effective as the US version on paper.

 

[Iain1668]

When you say INT version what country?

I'd be surprised if the Aus version was as effective as the US version on paper...

 

[mr.cooper69]

I'm looking at UK. Have not checked Aus...yet

 

[bdcc]

We have an International version of the formula minus SA2-A. We also have an Australian formula which is significantly different.

In terms of the UK formula, here is a summary from me to a customer.

So I've now tried both the EU and US version of Alphamine and I can confirm what John from PES has said that the immediate effects they produce are similar. However over the course of a few weeks, I expect the US version to yield better fat loss due to its A2 receptor antagonism, especially if sub 12% body fat.

Thank you for your summary. I think most people would agree with this.

However, I think if I sent you one version of each in unmarked tubs you wouldn't know which one produced better results. It is the placebo/nocebo effect in that people expect the UK formula to be weaker.

What about the A2 receptor antagonism though? I expect that is only a factor for those who have areas of stubborn fat, which I have. Products containing alpha-yohimbine have always helped me in this regard.

I agree that I would pick the version with SA2-A if I had the chance, I really like yohimbe as an ingredient.

What I mean is, I think people's preference is based upon them knowing there is something else in the USA formula vs the UK formula. The only reviews I have read where people have tried both formulas always concluded with which they think they would prefer rather than noticing actual results in terms of body composition between the two products.

For example, if I had to pick I would pick the version with yohimbe extracts however if you sent me some in an unlabeled tub I wouldn't be confident that I would be able to tell the difference between the two in terms of feel or results. I have extensive experience in testing yohimbe extracts for PES so have used them standalone or combined with other ingredients and I am not confident I would be able to know which was which if I did a blind taste test or four week trial run.

I hope this makes sense.

It does and my initial experience agrees with your view. I can't tell the difference between the two.

So, his conclusion was the same as mine. Although people want SA2-A on paper, when actually trying the two they cannot tell the difference.

 

[Iain1668]

Thanks guys.

I'm back in the uk next week and may try the int alphamine.

I can't help but think the Aus version has been stripped down too much. I know a few ingredients would not be compliant but it was stripped down to the point it was maybe overkill.

Thanks

 

[bdcc]

Thanks guys.

I'm back in the uk next week and may try the int alphamine.

I can't help but think the Aus version has been stripped down too much. I know a few ingredients would not be compliant but it was stripped down to the point it was maybe overkill.

Thanks

I haven't tried the Australian version.

Australia has very different laws. Compliance has to be of paramount importance and their restricted ingredients are plentiful.

 

[BPjohn123]

I'm with Ben, I have used the international version , but not the Aus Alphamine. I didn't notice a difference between US and Int. version.

 

[Hyperfluxe]

Thank you for the honest replies. I will most likely be buying tubs of Alphamine during my cut, because even without the SA-2 it probably is the best fat burner on the market for me. That being said, I ordered Alphamine off of smart powders like a month ago and it's still stuck at Canadian customs (in Vancouver) and I'm in Calgary, and I just realized the version that smart powders sell is the US version with the SA-2 which is banned here. What do you guys reckon will happen? I've been dying here on my cut without any supplemental help...I'm eating at a 10% caloric deficit, but I'm running the Texas Method with 40% reduced volume but let me tell you this: life sucks! I haven't PR'd in three weeks

One question regarding Alphamine; I know that it helps maintain strength but does it help GAIN strength (i.e. weekly PR's)? Nothing would make me happier than adding 5lbs on my squat weekly while losing fat

 

[bigflex0]

Anyone know a way to get the Int. version in the USA? I would love to take it as I am not a huge Y fan even though the SA2 is the best one so far for me.

 

[Daxter]

I was pretty excited when I saw alphamine in a supp store here in Aus, but I have to agree with Iain, it seems like almost half of the profile is gone. Obviously the yohimbe had to go, but I'm pretty surprised the olive leaf extract and choline were removed.

 

[Daxter]

Anyone know a way to get the Int. version in the USA? I would love to take it as I am not a huge Y fan even though the SA2 is the best one so far for me.

http://pescience.com/alphamine-int.html

Full credit to Ben who organised it for us a while back

 

[bdcc]

Legislation. Even choline had to go.

 

[bdcc]

http://pescience.com/alphamine-int.html

Full credit to Ben who organised it for us a while back

Thank you sir.

 

[Iain1668]

I was pretty excited when I saw alphamine in a supp store here in Aus, but I have to agree with Iain, it seems like almost half of the profile is gone. Obviously the yohimbe had to go, but I'm pretty surprised the olive leaf extract and choline were removed.

I don't blame PES for the formula drop off...

It's the suppliers, they're notorious for crucifying supplements. More interested in how many flavours and how sweet they can make it.

Anyway, don't want to hijack OP's thread...

 

[bigflex0]

So is the populace simply not standing up for their right to use natural products in AU? I know that no matter what the people go if the gov wants it gone it will be but in the US we have been successful at stopping a lot, not all, bad supp legislation. AU sounds like it has a lot of laws I could never tolerate.

 

[Myke17]

Australia has become an increasingly controlling nanny state. It has come to the point where we have to order the superior quality supplements from the USA and run the risk of customs taking them. There are many ways to lodge complaints but unfortunately we are the minority.
The AUS version of alphamine is simply not worth it in my opinion. If you can get the US version that would be best but I would even settle for the UK version.

Edit: Perosnally I think if the government cant find a was they can tax it, they just ban it.

 

[Jiigzz]

Legislation. Even choline had to go.

Ridiculous.

Luckily in NZ choline is still allowed; although i cant understand why it would be banned.

Ive order the int version of alphamine twice and it wasnt confiscated,but it is a pricey risk. Ive lost two bottles of erase to some now very dry customs officers..

 

[Hyperfluxe]

Can a Canadian PES rep PM me where I can get Alphamine in Canada (or preferably, in Calgary)? Thanks.

 

[bigflex0]

Wow that's too bad for all you in AU. I would understand if the politicians had solved all the worlds problems but it seems instead of actually taking on the tough challenges they prefer to take on a crusade against easy targets, at least thats how they do things here in the US.

 

[Jiigzz]

Wow that's too bad for all you in AU. I would understand if the politicians had solved all the worlds problems but it seems instead of actually taking on the tough challenges they prefer to take on a crusade against easy targets, at least thats how they do things here in the US.

Forget meth, forget cannabis, the source of all problems are yohimbe. Apparantly being shredded causes people to enter hulk mode

 

[uubiduu]

Give me 10billiion dollars and i wouldnt want to live in AUS because of their ridiculous laws

 

[ozzielifter87]

I live is aus and am currently using it..havent tried the us one obv but I can imagine how much better it would be

Ive cleaned up my diet alot lately so its hard to tell just how much of my loss is alpha and how much is diet...ill admit the first couple times I tried it I got a little jittery but now im not getting any of thoae effects and wonder if its still working??

 

[bdcc]

Jitters should not be confused as an equivalent for fat burning.

 

[Iain1668]

Aus version FYI

 

[AdelV]

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Aus version FYI

WTF?
No wonder it's only $44 here, I wouldn't even pay $20.

I have the international version, which PES sent me and got through customs fine. [h=2][/h]Id say the best fat burner currently available here may be [h=2]OxyShred.[/h]

 

[BPjohn123]

Can a Canadian PES rep PM me where I can get Alphamine in Canada (or preferably, in Calgary)? Thanks.

Pm coming

 

[mathius]

I have the Canadian version and I was if adding alphaburn would be a good alternative since Yohimbe was removed?

 

[bolt10]

I have the Canadian version and I was if adding alphaburn would be a good alternative since Yohimbe was removed?

That'd be fine if you wish to use that as your yohimbine source with the Canadian Alphamine.

 

[mathius]

Thanks. That is what I'm going to do. I'm also going to add some Forskolin-95 to the stack.

 

[BPjohn123]

Thanks. That is what I'm going to do. I'm also going to add some Forskolin-95 to the stack.

Definitely a great addition, let us know how it goes!

 

[bolt10]

Thanks. That is what I'm going to do. I'm also going to add some Forskolin-95 to the stack.

Sounds beautiful to me.

Let us know how it goes or if you need any help along the way.

 

[mathius]

I might still need some help. I'm thinking about adding some DCP (not the new version). Is it overkill? What's the best way to take this stake. I have everything except Forskolin-95 which is coming by mail as we speak. I want to start this stack by November.

 

[bolt10]

I might still need some help. I'm thinking about adding some DCP (not the new version). Is it overkill? What's the best way to take this stake. I have everything except Forskolin-95 which is coming by mail as we speak. I want to start this stack by November.

Honestly DCP was one of my favorite non-stim fat burners and I often ran it with forskolin. With your current combo (Alphamine, Alphaburn, F-95) you should be good to go, but if you run them for 8 weeks I would entertain the idea of tossing in DCP in the final 4 weeks. No issues with combining it (actually should compliment this stuff well), I just like to minimize the amount of stuff I use at once if I can.

 

[mathius]

Thanks for the help. Sounds like a great game plan.

 

[Hyperfluxe]

Well, things have a funny way of working out. This morning I received two packages, the US version of Alphamine with yohimbine from smart powders and the one without it from CSS. I have no idea how it got through customs lol. I'm gonna take out the labels on both runs and pick a random one and then I'll report back if I notice any differences.

So happy to finally have Alphamine, I've been running the Texas Method with 2300cals and just Craze, with 40% reduced volume but it's so damn hard.

 

[bananaClip]

<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=89616"/> Aus version FYI

lolol i love aussie and you guys have amazing girls but wtf is that?? taurine, caffeine and glucoloctone is whats in your alphamine? i guess at least it still suppresses appetite. right? should call it femimine

 

[Oscar]

Off topic just a little bit but damn Aussies got some strict laws when it comes to supplements any reasoning behind this or u guys just live in a nanny state with uneducated(in regards to nutrition & health) leaders seriously worst thing I've ever heard happening from yohimbine is making some people anxious and uncomfortable for a few hours

 

[bdcc]

lolol i love aussie and you guys have amazing girls but wtf is that?? taurine, caffeine and glucoloctone is whats in your alphamine? i guess at least it still suppresses appetite. right? should call it femimine

It has a different label layout. You have missed the ingredients underneath.

 

[bananaClip]

It has a different label layout. You have missed the ingredients underneath.

i did see it, i just wanted to be a dick ;p
love AUS i need to go back for vacation

 

[CATdiesel76]

Anyone in the US carry uk versions of enhanced and alphamine? I'm guessing PES for the higher retail price but anyone else? I absolutely hate yohimbe and all it's forms. I would enjoy PES stuff much more without it

 

[Daxter]

Off topic just a little bit but damn Aussies got some strict laws when it comes to supplements any reasoning behind this or u guys just live in a nanny state with uneducated(in regards to nutrition & health) leaders seriously worst thing I've ever heard happening from yohimbine is making some people anxious and uncomfortable for a few hours

prettymuch as you said, with a bunch of conservative morons running the supplement regulation. Over here it's the inverse of the how the US FDA runs things (or at least my imperssion of US FDA), a supp is illegal unless they place it on the therapeutic goods register, which requires time and money. On top of that, our customs are super efficient due to the fact that most drugs have to come from outside the country due to the heavy regulation, which consequentially affects importing grey area supps

 

[bdcc]

Anyone in the US carry uk versions of enhanced and alphamine? I'm guessing PES for the higher retail price but anyone else? I absolutely hate yohimbe and all it's forms. I would enjoy PES stuff much more without it

http://pescience.com/alphamine-int.html

$34.99.

 

[CATdiesel76]

http://pescience.com/alphamine-int.html

$34.99.

Damn not bad at all. Original didn't agree with me with yohimbe but now I can hop back on the bandwagon.

Although im kind of hesitant to start. I have seen waaaayyy too many alphamine junkies always wanting a fix. Its crack I tell ya

 

[bdcc]

Come and join us on the dark side.

It tastes delicious over here.

 

[DarthGainer]

I use the int version because I'm in the uk. This might sound stupid but if I use it at 1-2 scoops and I'm at work or sitting around, basically anything non physical I feel nothing but If I use it as a pre about 10 mins into the workout I can feel it, not full energy but more focus? Its almost like like lifting activates it?

Anyone know a reason for this or have a similar experience?

 

[mr.cooper69]

I use the int version because I'm in the uk. This might sound stupid but if I use it at 1-2 scoops and I'm at work or sitting around, basically anything non physical I feel nothing but If I use it as a pre about 10 mins into the workout I can feel it, not full energy but more focus? Its almost like like lifting activates it?

Anyone know a reason for this or have a similar experience?

The reason is that alpha 2 antagonists are potentiated by exercise.

 

[Cheranine]

I picked up the aus / nz formula today thinking it was just yohimbine missing, but the olive leaf and choline bitatrate are also missing replaced by a couple of others i cant remember. Any reason? Loved my first serve though.

 

[BLaQz]

I picked up the aus / nz formula today thinking it was just yohimbine missing, but the olive leaf and choline bitatrate are also missing replaced by a couple of others i cant remember. Any reason? Loved my first serve though.

It shouldn't even be called Alphamine... It's not even a thermo... It's great for a caffeine boost, & that's all... It's double the price, but half the servings... If you can't get the US version, get some other fat burner in Aus...

 

[Cheranine]

Well one of the earlier posts stated the only difference was the SA2 the had been removed so took a punt on it. Ive looked up the glucuronoblahblah and bacopa ingredients which do sound decent, but still :/ anyways i got a good smooth stimulant effect and felt pretty good so its not all bad i guess.