Craze, ECA, DMAA.

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  1. Craze, ECA, DMAA.


    I know all the press and so on with Craze but simple question for those guys with more knowledge than myself. Is taking Craze any more dangerous than taking ECA or DMAA . Serious question not trolling.


  2. I've taken all three... and I'd say...

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  3. craze is fine.... lots of haters in industry
    doing my own thang!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    craze is fine.... lots of haters in industry
    ^Hiring reps like these, who needs enemies?

  5. While I don't particularly like craze I haven't heard of any real adverse effects
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  6. I've been using craze from its release, and have had absolutely no side effects from it. I usually stack it with hemavol, but just recently began to stack it with high volume. I'm in no way a rep or work for driven sports. I just use a good solid product which works well for me.
  7. Craze


    I'm by no means a ds rep but I love craze and was crushed when bb.com stopped selling it. I may bury my last can and poor out a lil protein when I finish it. Craze was my ish
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    craze is fine.... lots of haters in industry
    Lol yea it's all a witch hunt. Matt Cahill is a family man and a good bro after all. He's innocent as innocent can be.........

  9. Thanks guys.
    Lets not turn this into a Matt Cahill thread though please. I just really want to know if its a dangerous product even if used responsibly. I never had a problem with ECA or DMAA but good lord the crash from DMAA was unreal. I never get a crash with craze.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post
    Lol yea it's all a witch hunt. Matt Cahill is a family man and a good bro after all. He's innocent as innocent can be.........
    no one is saying the dude is sly free but the man accusing him is notorious for this non sense. When people need rehab for this stuff or getting back horrible results from ct scans is the day you know that craze is truly harmful. Just like dmaa, it is not that big of an issue if consumed properly.
    doing my own thang!
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post

    no one is saying the dude is sly free but the man accusing him is notorious for this non sense. When people need rehab for this stuff or getting back horrible results from ct scans is the day you know that craze is truly harmful. Just like dmaa, it is not that big of an issue if consumed properly.
    Lmao, so a professional athlete failing a drug screening and in a result can't compete or is suspended is not a big deal? It's also highly illegal to put any ingredient in a product that is not stated on the label, you know, like the methamphetamine analog Cahill used.
    And what vandetta does dr elsohly have with ds again? He has already stated that he will back his findings in a court of law. Seems odd that he would risk destroying his reputation and possibly going to prison for nothing.
    But keep on supporting Cahill, you know, the man who has already gone to jail in the past for killing one of his customers.

  12. I can't see how people could still be backing Cahill up at this point and admittedly that is after I'd "forgiven" him for past mistakes.

    Bottom line (like with most of our supps) the long term safety of many ingredients is a guessing game at best. We know this going in. People are adults and can make their own decisions, but this guy is finally done with his products.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    no one is saying the dude is sly free but the man accusing him is notorious for this non sense. When people need rehab for this stuff or getting back horrible results from ct scans is the day you know that craze is truly harmful. Just like dmaa, it is not that big of an issue if consumed properly.
    ^Does this guy still work for PES?

    If so, I am seriously disappoint.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post

    Lmao, so a professional athlete failing a drug screening and in a result can't compete or is suspended is not a big deal? It's also highly illegal to put any ingredient in a product that is not stated on the label, you know, like the methamphetamine analog Cahill used.
    And what vandetta does dr elsohly have with ds again? He has already stated that he will back his findings in a court of law. Seems odd that he would risk destroying his reputation and possibly going to prison for nothing.
    But keep on supporting Cahill, you know, the man who has already gone to jail in the past for killing one of his customers.
    Oh dear. Okay I see your point but please see mine. I will spare you the links to what im about to tell you and condense the info.

    Are you aware that roughly 80%of college and 90% of pro athletes are taking steroids,epo,growth hormone,beta blockers,ect.. They also take drugs to fake the test. For instance you can get rid of steroid metabolites and come in at the approved test range and still use steroids.

    My point? The governing body of the sports has a drug ban list. Anything that is not on that list is fair game. Pure stupidity to take a precursor to amphetamine without making sure its not on the ban list. Yes...metabolites of amphetamine are on the ban list. For mentioned person should have taken their career more seriously.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    My point? The governing body of the sports has a drug ban list. Anything that is not on that list is fair game. Pure stupidity to take a precursor to amphetamine without making sure its not on the ban list. Yes...metabolites of amphetamine are on the ban list. For mentioned person should have taken their career more seriously.
    Your point is nonsensical because the amphetamine-like compound wasn't on the label.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by lronFist View Post

    Your point is nonsensical because the amphetamine-like compound wasn't on the label.
    I believe it was the designer stimulant on the label. If it was not then I apologize but I do wonder why you would risk your career with a new preworkout. Atleast wait a couple months before trying it to see what others say about it. Also in alot of governing bodys too high a caffeine content can disqualify you too.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    I believe it was the designer stimulant on the label. If it was not then I apologize but I do wonder why you would risk your career with a new preworkout. Atleast wait a couple months before trying it to see what others say about it. Also in alot of governing bodys too high a caffeine content can disqualify you too.
    I agree with you in principle, although the compound-in-question was definitely not on the label. If it was, Cahill would have been locked up years ago.

  18. You wouldn't get the same kind of effects from Craze as ECA or DMAA. The most energy I've ever gotten from a supplement was Dexaprine + Ephedrine, as for Craze I didn't get the euphoric effects a lot of people claim to have had from it. Mainly I just got the tunnel vision aspect.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    While I don't particularly like craze I haven't heard of any real adverse effects
    A ton of people started threads on multiple forums because they had adverse effects
    phaggy opinions+certainty=douchebag status
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    A ton of people started threads on multiple forums because they had adverse effects
    QFT

  21. I was so in denial when I made this thread, I think it was addictive no matter what others will say. I was making excuses just to use it. took it and 5 hours passed like it was 20 minutes. Something I noticed when I used this everyday was I got no doms at all?

  22. Love reading this stuff. Haha, there is nothing wrong with Craze. Some of you guys buying 10 tubs of it at a time and paying a $ 150.00 a tub for it is not an indication of anything. Besides, Tardive dyskinesia or Dystonia is not a big deal since those that have it don't really notice it and only others around them do.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post

    Lmao, so a professional athlete failing a drug screening and in a result can't compete or is suspended is not a big deal?
    That same athlete Is and will continue to use performance enhancing drugs, only reason he or she got busted was cause they didn't know they were using something like that when tested.

    If you believe pro athletes aren't using some form of illegal ped, well, I got some ocean front property in Nevada right next door to the easter bunny an Santa Claus ill sell you.

  24. Craze doesn't have nothing on crystal meth.

    Don't get your hopes up, or panties in a bunch.

    Just stick with focus xt an condense

  25. I don't understand how anyone can make an educated statement that all professional athletes are using some form of PEDs.

    Sure, there is prevalent use in some sports but out of interest how many cricket teams do you know and how confident are you that all of them are taking PEDs?
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