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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Right. Are you talking 4:1:1 or 8:1:1 ? I only ask because the recent studies only seem to shine on leucine. Some of them seem to suggest if you have a diet rich in bcaas you will benefit most from just leucine powder. I personally believe the studies on 8:1:1 were payed for by usplabs or related new ratio pushers. As you know the information they put in studies is selective. Again. In these studies they consider leucine powder the way to go. Especally if you know as much about diet as we do. For example...leucine is abundant in food but in the average diet you will find more of the other 2 parts of bcaa. Valine and isoleucine.

    Protein /amino acids from different sources yield different ratios of the 3. Meat has way more leucine than potatos for example.

    I would suggest 4:1:1 or 8:1:1 if I knew more about his diet especially if he avoided meat. For the average person though 2:1:1 will work fine. Especally if your diet varies from day to day.

    If hes a vegan or his diet is lacking leucine rich foods then leucine powder is the way to go.

    This is just one mans opinion though. I like coop discussions makes me get out the thinking cap.
    It seems like the study suggests that proteins lower in luecine content, you need more grams of the respective lower quality protein to reach the same amount of protein synthesis as less grams of a higher quality protein source. So supplementing luecine with a lower quality protein could drastically increase the protein synthesis of that given meal or whatever it may be.

    Now it's been awhile and I don't really remember details but didn't people used to say if luecine was a lot higher than valine and isoluecine has a negative affect inside the body? I don't remember exactly what used to be said.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    that would apply to the great majority of studies out there, not just ones sponsored/paid for by certain companies or interest groups

    too much stock is put into "studies", by the ppl who cannot think for themselves or are not intuitive enough to use a product and be able to personally notice if xyz product is beneficial and efficacious for them
    agreed, people will post one study that helps justify their small point of view rather than the broad spectrum being discussed on the thread....it's not a good look

    too much bias when either putting together these studies and the interpretation of the studies being posted.....nothing better than using the said product and seeing what happens to themselves
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    that would apply to the great majority of studies out there, not just ones sponsored/paid for by certain companies or interest groups

    too much stock is put into "studies", by the ppl who cannot think for themselves or are not intuitive enough to use a product and be able to personally notice if xyz product is beneficial and efficacious for them
    I didnt say just the sponsored ones
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Modern BCAA. Best bang for your buck. Good for intra workout as well. Has electrolytes.
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  5. Did you find a decent supplement brand? what type of BCAA did you go with? Also are you looking for a protein supplement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Modern BCAA+
    Cor beta BCAA
    Aminolast
    Xtend
    Strive (this is as comprehensive of a AA supplement as you are going to get)
    This...

    Core ABC too from CORE

    Top notch products, very cost effective and solid formula's.

    being 2:1:1 is the only researched blend of amino's on the market,
    "2:1:1 is the proven scientific ratio. Higher leucine doesn't mean better results, sometimes it can become refractory."

    A good read:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1%3A1+Research
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  7. good reply, cheers bro!

  8. BCAA peptides are the best way to go.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
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    "2:1:1 is the proven scientific ratio. Higher leucine doesn't mean better results, sometimes it can become refractory."
    So adding extra leucine would actually counter any positive/beneficial effects and potentially cause negative ones? Or would it simply not do anything additional and be a waste?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Johnston View Post
    So adding extra leucine would actually counter any positive/beneficial effects and potentially cause negative ones? Or would it simply not do anything additional and be a waste?
    At a certain point it won't give additional benefit
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by TheSwanks View Post
    At a certain point it won't give additional benefit
    I have a bag of the stuff to use up which I got dirt cheap a while ago, so what's the most effective way to use it? I've been adding a few grams to my PWO. Or am I as well to plant magic beans in my garden haha?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Johnston View Post
    I have a bag of the stuff to use up which I got dirt cheap a while ago, so what's the most effective way to use it? I've been adding a few grams to my PWO. Or am I as well to plant magic beans in my garden haha?
    I would dose the leucine between meals TBH.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Johnston View Post
    I have a bag of the stuff to use up which I got dirt cheap a while ago, so what's the most effective way to use it? I've been adding a few grams to my PWO. Or am I as well to plant magic beans in my garden haha?
    I'd say 5-10g at a time pre w/o and post w/o is beneficial, more than that is probably just going to waste.
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  14. I am curious about excess Aminos converting to glucogenesis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnston View Post
    I have a bag of the stuff to use up which I got dirt cheap a while ago, so what's the most effective way to use it? I've been adding a few grams to my PWO. Or am I as well to plant magic beans in my garden haha?
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    I would dose the leucine between meals TBH.
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  16. Heres a thought....and nobody has mentioned it-

    buy your own bulk Leucine, valine, and iso- and make the blends your self.

    try 2:1:1, then 3:1:1 then 4:1:1 and so on and so fourth- then get freaky with it. If you respond well to 4:1:1 (which I do) try 4:1:2 or 4:2:1- mix and match at your will.

    then when you find your own proprietary blend- just keep making it and that way you have the absolute best blend for you-and its the most cost effective.
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  17. Stick to what works. Peptides at 50% bcaa. Or amino patches which I like as well.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    that would apply to the great majority of studies out there, not just ones sponsored/paid for by certain companies or interest groups too much stock is put into "studies", by the ppl who cannot think for themselves or are not intuitive enough to use a product and be able to personally notice if xyz product is beneficial and efficacious for them
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  19. I use to use xtend like crazy, but now my go to is NOW BCAA and mixing that with Compete for my intra.
    Now after reading all this, sounds like Lucien the way to go? Buy in bulk and consume between meals? Is there a time before or after meals it should be consumed?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by veaderko View Post
    I use to use xtend like crazy, but now my go to is NOW BCAA and mixing that with Compete for my intra.
    Now after reading all this, sounds like Lucien the way to go? Buy in bulk and consume between meals? Is there a time before or after meals it should be consumed?
    Yes, leucine is supposedly the way to go Unless of course you have a BCAA deficiency (during a cut, type of diet, etc.).

  21. As I'm sure I recall reading in numerous sources, I'm sure leucine alone isn't as effective as leucine WITH the other aminos. It still needs them to work effectively as I understand it, but leucine is the key one.

  22. I like the flavors of Xtend pretty well if I am going to go the BCAA route. I also use Compete pretty often, while it isn't a BCAA product you should look in to it for your purposes. I also really like Powershock it has BCAA and Nitrates in it. (Get lemon lime if you go powershock though or you will wish you had)

    Add some additional Leucine to whatever you take.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Johnston View Post
    As I'm sure I recall reading in numerous sources, I'm sure leucine alone isn't as effective as leucine WITH the other aminos. It still needs them to work effectively as I understand it, but leucine is the key one.
    You're correct although most typical bodybuilding diet will consist of a balance of all 3.

    This is regarding people who have the 40/40/20 macro split or less protein. The protein whores* 50% or more of your caloric intake is protein* will have more leucine and less isoleucine and valine. Especally if primarily meat eaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Yes, leucine is supposedly the way to go Unless of course you have a BCAA deficiency (during a cut, type of diet, etc.).
    Correct
    spaced 4-6 hours (meals) with BCAA inbetween 5g Leucine.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by kp2012 View Post
    Whats a good BCAA to take in terms of ratio, price and quantity? I want something thats affordable but good quality and will last at least 5-6 weeks. Brands etc please?
    Inner Armour has a pretty good BCAA powder for the price. Taste could be better though...
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