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    Citrulline or Cit-Mal and How Much?


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    I'm curious as to what I should be using between these two, and how much of each would be optimal in any case. Also do any pre-workouts exist that have these optimal dosages included?

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    I personally use Cit-Mal and I get it from iForce's Hemavol, which contains 2500 mg per scoop. I try to get close to 10 grams, so I also use bulk Cit-Mal from SNS that contains 3 grams per scoop. So 2.5 scoops Cit-Mal + Hemavol = 10 grams of Cit-Mal.

    It really works though I can absolutely tell the difference between using Cit-Mal and not using it, the benefits are definitely obvious especially for the endurance and recovery aspects for me personally.
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    I but bulk Citulline Malate. It's diet cheap. SNS, BioCor, and Nutraplanet offers good bulk product. I dose 9g prewo.
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    I like to combine Origin and hemavol = good dose for me.. maybe I will try moar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixstrike View Post
    Title.

    I'm curious as to what I should be using between these two, and how much of each would be optimal in any case. Also do any pre-workouts exist that have these optimal dosages included?
    You should check out HIGH VOLUME which offers a whopping 5g L-Citrulline in two scoops which is equivalent to around 9-10g of Cit-Mal.

    The Benefits of L-Citrulline
    It's well known how effective L-Citrulline is for boosting nitric oxide. L-Citrulline functions in the body by being converted to L-arginine and then into nitric oxide. The nitric oxide will bring on vasodilation, this is what helps increase the amount of blood and oxygen that is delivered to the exercised muscles. When blood flow is optimal the body will be sending essential nutrients to the muscle tissues, this includes both carbohydrates and protein, which is obviously a must for recovery.

    L-Citrulline also plays a role in the urea cycle, where it helps reduce the amount of lactic acid build-up you experience during your workouts.
    Both these actions are going to help you reduce the overall levels of fatigue you feel during your workout.


    What does L-Citrulline offer?
    *Increased performance/Endurance in the gym
    *Better Pumps & Vascularity
    *Faster recovery
    *Improved erection hardness


    L-Citrulline Studies
    Citrulline malate enhances athletic anae... [J Strength Cond Res. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI (This study used 8g citrulline malate (providing 4g of citrulline)
    L-citrulline-malate influence over branch... [Eur J Appl Physiol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI (This study used 6g citrulline malate (providing 3g of citrulline)
    Citrulline/malate promotes aerobic energy pr... [Br J Sports Med. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI (This study used 6g of citrulline malate providing 3g of citrulline)
    Citrulline malate supplementation increases ... [Eur J Pharmacol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI (This study used 3g of citrulline malate providing 1.5g of citrulline)
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19585317(This study used 6g of citrulline malate providing 3g of citrulline)
    Citrulline malate limits increase in... [Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI
    Oral L-citrulline supplementation improves erection ... [Urology. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
    Role of L-citrulline transport in nitric oxide synthesis in rat aortic smooth muscle cells activated with LPS and interferon-
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    L-citrulline on its own is awesome, great compound. I'd prefer to take a larger dose of CM to get the benefits of both citrulline and malic acid.
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    S.N.S Citrulline Malate.. Great price for 100 servings!. Nutraplanet can hardly keep it in stock!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    L-citrulline on its own is awesome, great compound. I'd prefer to take a larger dose of CM to get the benefits of both citrulline and malic acid.
    Agreed, well put.

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    S.N.S Citrulline Malate.. Great price for 100 servings!. Nutraplanet can hardly keep it in stock!.
    Get it while you still can! CM is going bye bye, it's also a favorite of mine!
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    For the price High Volume is very much worth it at 5g of L-Citrulline per serving(which is about the same as 10g of Citrulline Malate).

    imo High Volume or Bulk L-Citrulline Powder.
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    Usually just use SNS Citrulline Malate powder or Nurakey L-Citrulline and toss either in my pre-workout.

    Stocked up on a bunch of High Volume recently and plan to use that as my addition to stuff nowadays (L-cit + much more).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Stocked up on a bunch of High Volume recently and plan to use that as my addition to stuff nowadays (L-cit + much more).
    Nice! Worth the price right now since nutra is offering 2 tubs for only $24.24 each.
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    I like to use Hemavol. 2.5g of CM per scoop!
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    efficacious at ~8-9g citrulline malate 1:1, so 4-4.5g citrulline would have similar effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstr View Post
    efficacious at ~8-9g citrulline malate 1:1, so 4-4.5g citrulline would have similar effects
    Am I right in assuming 1:1 refers to the ratio of citrulline to malic acid and something which has say 3g of citrulline would be equivalent to 6g citrulline malate?
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    There aren't any documented effects of malic acid in healthy humans (only failed ergogenesis). If you have some sort of cardiopulmonary disorder, malate may help, but otherwise, it's the citrulline that matters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Agreed, well put.

    Get it while you still can! CM is going bye bye, it's also a favorite of mine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    S.N.S Citrulline Malate.. Great price for 100 servings!. Nutraplanet can hardly keep it in stock!.
    I would recommend this too, but there isn't any left

    If you get any OP, you can use SNS Agmatine at 1g PWO and Cit Mal at 6g which will help extend out the servings.
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    I prefer Hemavol - Lemon drop
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    I prefer Hemavol - Lemon drop
    Bulk cit mal/cit > hemavol....when speaking of citrulline dosing...factor in cost and it's a no brainer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Bulk cit mal/cit > hemavol....when speaking of citrulline dosing...factor in cost and it's a no brainer...
    Yeah Bulk Cit Mal would be the way to go; esp if cit mal is all your after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post

    Our CM is top notch.
    What ratio is the Sns Citrulline Malate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post

    What ratio is the Sns Citrulline Malate?
    We are completely out of cm right noe but reached a licensing agreement about a month ago so wr have more in production right now. It will be 2:1 ratio as well. It may be $1-2 more a tub due to the fees

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    There aren't any documented effects of malic acid in healthy humans (only failed ergogenesis). If you have some sort of cardiopulmonary disorder, malate may help, but otherwise, it's the citrulline that matters
    Totally agree. This is what I thought, which is why I have a couple kilos of this fine white powder (L-Citrulline).
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    I'm also wondering what the breakdown for the supplement is also. I think it's a great one but I would like to see some positive write ups about it. I also think you should consider stacking it with another supplement as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    I but bulk Citulline Malate. It's diet cheap. SNS, BioCor, and Nutraplanet offers good bulk product. I dose 9g prewo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    There aren't any documented effects of malic acid in healthy humans (only failed ergogenesis). If you have some sort of cardiopulmonary disorder, malate may help, but otherwise, it's the citrulline that matters
    Thx for the info Cooper-san
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJBeanPole View Post
    Thx for the info Cooper-san
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    We are completely out of cm right noe but reached a licensing agreement about a month ago so wr have more in production right now. It will be 2:1 ratio as well. It may be $1-2 more a tub due to the fees
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post

    We are completely out of cm right noe but reached a licensing agreement about a month ago so wr have more in production right now. It will be 2:1 ratio as well. It may be $1-2 more a tub due to the fees
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    So when I get Citrulline malate, is 2-1 ratio better or 1-1?

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    I just use pure l-citrulline

    3-5g for me

    So if you were going to use citrulline malate, 6-10g

    Malic acid (malate) has endurance data, but it is not going to do anything for a pump. It would go well in an inta-workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasel View Post
    So when I get Citrulline malate, is 2-1 ratio better or 1-1?

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    You are getting twice the amount of citrulline with the 2:1....which is what you want -more cit than malic acid

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    We are completely out of cm right noe but reached a licensing agreement about a month ago so wr have more in production right now. It will be 2:1 ratio as well. It may be $1-2 more a tub due to the fees
    Great news! Me and all the guys at the station were pissed when we found out we were discontinuing it! I've noticed significant differences with workouts using CM vs not, for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Great news! Me and all the guys at the station were pissed when we found out we were discontinuing it! I've noticed significant differences with workouts using CM vs not, for sure!
    This! And 2:1, you can't go wrong with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I just use pure l-citrulline

    3-5g for me

    So if you were going to use citrulline malate, 6-10g

    Malic acid (malate) has endurance data, but it is not going to do anything for a pump. It would go well in an inta-workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    For l-citrulline, not with malic acid.
    I can't speak for others, but I have been using the Nutrakey L-citrulline myself lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    For l-citrulline, not with malic acid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post

    I can't speak for others, but I have been using the Nutrakey L-citrulline myself lately.
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    Nutrakey and high volume
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