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    Favorite Pre-Bed GDA


    What are some of your guys' favorite pre-bed GDA's? Obviously seeking the deeper sleep and leanness upon waking. I'm sure insulin sensitivity is fairly optimized upon waking as well.

    Real interested in GlycoPhase (not to just be used pre-bed), but looking for some anecdotal feedback if any is present.

    Obviously Burn24 is out of the question.


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    I'm not a big fan of pre-bed GDAs but recompadrol would probably work best
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    1g of agmatine. luckly i've got some iforce bulk powder i take before bed.
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    I know AB/ABE isn't classified as a GDA, but when I take it pre-bed I wake up looking lean and hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    I know AB/ABE isn't classified as a GDA, but when I take it pre-bed I wake up looking lean and hard.
    ABE pre bed is awesome. Cort control, thyroid stimulation through forskolin and partitioner effects of Anacylus
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post

    ABE pre bed is awesome. Cort control, thyroid stimulation through forskolin and partitioner effects of Anacylus
    Anabeta Elite is fantastic pre bed on an empty stomach. Or even with a carb meal if you are back loading.

    A great GDA I have been using is Recompadrol. 1 before bed leaves me waking up very dry but not depleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Still haven't tried Recompadrol! Jelly
    Same here. Na-R-ALA + Agmatine is a tough duo to beat, especially when you buy in bulk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post

    Same here. Na-R-ALA + Agmatine is a tough duo to beat, especially when you buy in bulk.
    Love that combo with added ALCAR.
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    I liked original slin sane pre bed. havnt tried recompadrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post

    Same here. Na-R-ALA + Agmatine is a tough duo to beat, especially when you buy in bulk.
    That's try but I noticed the best effect from agmatine at 2-3G 1 hasn't done much for me in that area and na r ala is great but recompadrol you really only need 3 caps a day if hitting 300g cabs
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    That's try but I noticed the best effect from agmatine at 2-3G 1 hasn't done much for me in that area and na r ala is great but recompadrol you really only need 3 caps a day if hitting 300g cabs
    I'm at 300-325g at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post

    I'm at 300-325g at the moment.
    I'd still venture to say unless your buying kilos at a time recompadrol would be cheaper. Also better gda overall then those single ingredients
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    Would never go this intense for a pre-bed dose but for my extreme carb binges (think buffet) I have used Recompadrol + 1g agmatine + SsV2. ALA is by far the most effective ingredient for me I have found NaRALA is hard to find, I picked up plenty of Nutra 300 mg ALA caps on sale though at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    That's try but I noticed the best effect from agmatine at 2-3G 1 hasn't done much for me in that area and na r ala is great but recompadrol you really only need 3 caps a day if hitting 300g cabs

    That's a little much!. That'd be pretty damn expensive. Is there really any benefit of going over 1 gram a day?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Same here. Na-R-ALA + Agmatine is a tough duo to beat, especially when you buy in bulk.
    Love those two. Recompadrol and AnaBeta Elite are others I love. Tough decisions!!

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    i've only done a "gda" once and it was glycobol, i try and stay away from anything that makes me feel hypo at all if i'm not going to eat shortly after taking

    stick with 1g of agmatine, still really cost effective if only taking 1g pre bed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    i've only done a "gda" once and it was glycobol, i try and stay away from anything that makes me feel hypo at all if i'm not going to eat shortly after taking

    stick with 1g of agmatine, still really cost effective if only taking 1g pre bed
    Maybe that EBF is loaded or something?. 2-3 grams, the rich mans dose!...Still I don't know if it would even be worth it to go over over a gram....I mean are there any actual increased benefits after 1 gram?. Or are you just wasting product at that point?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    Maybe that EBF is loaded or something?. 2-3 grams, the rich mans dose!...Still I don't know if it would even be worth it to go over over a gram....I mean are there any actual increased benefits after 1 gram?. Or are you just wasting product at that point?.

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    Far from loaded. Just have pre workouts I mix and what not

    Comes out to 2-3 g.

    I notice better all day pumps at 3G 2 pre 1 post
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Maybe that EBF is loaded or something?. 2-3 grams, the rich mans dose!...Still I don't know if it would even be worth it to go over over a gram....I mean are there any actual increased benefits after 1 gram?. Or are you just wasting product at that point?.

    Coop...Your thoughts?
    lol, SNS makes buying Agmatine bulk very affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarce View Post
    1g of agmatine. luckly i've got some iforce bulk powder i take before bed.
    This is probably what I would choose, efficient, effective and affordable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    lol, SNS makes buying Agmatine bulk very affordable.
    Yep, it does. Still though if you use that much of it, can still get expensive. I didn't realize EBF was just talking about his other combos of supps. I have some bulk SNS Agmatine, but I'm making it last since I'm also taking test powder and that already has 1 gram in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I'm all about getting the most for your money.
    I'm also somewhat skeptical of Agmatine being antilipolytic, especially at 2-3g.

    Actually, I'll bump this to the AM crowd. This is part of a thread I started elsewhere. Coop discussed his thoughts and I threw out my opinion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69
    It's a too way street. Reduction of insulin promotes a faster return to a counter-regulatory state (increased lipolysis), but alpha-2-agonism is potentially anti-lipolytic. Neither of these is likely terribly relevant given agmatine's kinetics.
    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn
    Would you mind elaborating on what you mean by Agmatine's kinetics? I'm aware of the short half life, but I thought the pharmacokinetic profile also shows potential for prolonged duration in the CNS (thinking of its anticonvulsant effects (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12543244) and also the study that used a single bolus injection intrathecally (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15933157).

    We're also talking a difference between oral vs injection for administration.

    Seems to be discrepancies in the pharmacological actions of Agmatine. Recent research into the Agmatinergic System will hopefully shed some light.
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    There "discrepancies" are due to the fact that agmatine's plasma half-life may be relevant for some of its effects, whereas its ability to enter tissues or affect biochemical cascades do not necessarily require agmatine in the bloodstream
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    Is the correlation between Agmatine and the CNS regulation of adipose tissue relevant in regards to lipolysis?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69
    Too tough for me to say, but autoreceptor agonism isn't exactly a prominent anti-lipolytic pathway
    Would love to hear your guys' opinion on the matter. To me, it doesn't seem Agmatine would deter or aid fat loss much at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post

    I'm also somewhat skeptical of Agmatine being antilipolytic, especially at 2-3g.

    Actually, I'll bump this to the AM crowd. This is part of a thread I started elsewhere. Coop discussed his thoughts and I threw out my opinion:

    Would love to hear your guys' opinion on the matter. To me, it doesn't seem Agmatine would deter or aid fat loss much at all.
    Lots of good discussion going there.
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    I love agmatine, for its relaxation type effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I love agmatine, for its relaxation type effects.
    Many people note the anxiolytic effects. Big for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    lol, SNS makes buying Agmatine bulk very affordable.
    We also have it in 90 ct,180ct bottles as well as 50g and 100g powder tubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    We also have it in 90 ct,180ct bottles as well as 50g and 100g powder tubs
    Went through a tub of the 100g and 50g.. Awesome 150 workouts.

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    Fwiw, I ran glycophase (logged it here too if you're interested) and the pre bed dose was my favorite way to take it. Had some really deep, refreshing sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Maybe that EBF is loaded or something?. 2-3 grams, the rich mans dose!...Still I don't know if it would even be worth it to go over over a gram....I mean are there any actual increased benefits after 1 gram?. Or are you just wasting product at that point?.

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    i never read of any benefits over 1g but i'm not sure i ever read anything of anyone really testing it over 1.5g's and that would just be for pump purposes
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    A lot of mentions for Agmatine in here already. I've used GDAs in the past and I am not sure I got the benefits they are supposed to provide. iForce has Agmatine as does SNS if you are looking for some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laneanders View Post
    A lot of mentions for Agmatine in here already. I've used GDAs in the past and I am not sure I got the benefits they are supposed to provide. iForce has Agmatine as does SNS if you are looking for some.
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    Glycobol made a huge difference for me pre-bed: better sleep, but most importantly woke up looking noticeably fuller & tighter. And I've been informed the cinnamon extract also made my, ahem,' yield' taste sweeter & of cinnamon. If your lady is in to that kind of thing. Also had bad acid reflux on it after dosing, which isn't normal for me at all.

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    I'll tell you a product that doesn't get enough love, Better Body Sports Protovol. Not your typical GDA and I wouldn't use it pre bed but all this talk of agmatine and this never gets mentioned.

    180 Capsules

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    DL-Alpha Hydroxyisocaproic Acid Calcium (Containing 500mg HICA) 750mg
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    Profile is simple and effective and you get 2.25 grams of agmatine a day and the studied dose of HICA.

    To answer the OP 2 caps of USP Labs AP pre bed was my favorite, Berberine is by far one of my favorite ingredients.
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