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    Thanks for the starting this good thread Spaniard. Lets try and keep this thing going for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Thanks for the starting this good thread Spaniard. Lets try and keep this thing going for awhile.
    No problem man but I can't take all the credit the idea was a group effort... I don't see it going away anytime soon
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    Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
    Good one and good luck. I've actually tested on people in my family and almost all reported joint benefit. I can't find **** to back it up though. It's old school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
    There aren't any stupid questions in this thread except the one that goes unasked. Magnesium is of great importance. Now the oil, I'm not familiar with a BUT I'm almost positive someone in here has used it I just can't remember who....
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    What should be discuss tonight? Test boosters vs libido boosters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
    Let's get a bump on this... leave no stone unturned.

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    What should be discuss tonight? Test boosters vs libido boosters?
    Round the guys up lol! Everyone is doing homework!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    Let's get a bump on this... leave no stone unturned.

    Round the guys up lol! Everyone is doing homework!
    Wait...so super pure, powerful and Anabolic tribulus doesn't do that?

    A common opinion in the forums is that Fadogia is better for the both than the nasty terrestris thing...

    Now as far as libido, a good AI and DAA gets me going in both, though that's strictly ANECDOTAL discussion for a supplement forum thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Wait...so super pure, powerful and Anabolic tribulus doesn't do that?

    A common opinion in the forums is that Fadogia is better for the both than the nasty terrestris thing...

    Now as far as libido, a good AI and DAA gets me going in both, though that's strictly ANECDOTAL discussion for a supplement forum thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    What should be discuss tonight? Test boosters vs libido boosters?
    Interesting.

    On one hand a product like SuperBeast gets great reviews from people(at least that I've met), yet the profile screams libido booster, not test, and to top that off with such a large profile it is likely underdosed. Isatest and T-Bomb can go in the same boat from anecdotal feedback.

    On the other hand you have educated(slightly at least) members of the forum who shy away from these products as the ingredients and the labels claims in testosterone clearly conflict. A lot of these members(again, this is not a rule, just generalizing) claim to take the more proven ingredient profiles and largely give the SAME type of reviews group one gives libido boosters.

    All placebo in group A? Is it just the feel good mood that matters sense most test ingredients will have little to no change on body comp? I dunno.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Boy, I hope this doesn't sound (too) stupid, but here goes -- is there any validity to the touted benefits of magnesium oil (which is not an oil actually, but a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water)? The claims and benefits sound too good to be true; are they?
    Its meant to be a transdermal I take it? I would just opt for eating foods higher in magnesium personally but avoid eating with grains as Phytates (mineral stealing) bind to Magnesium and lower bioavailablity.
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    Yes, according to reports, a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water are applied topically. I have read that the calcium/magnesium ration is improved significantly, and here may be implications as to increased DHEA.

    But, I do not know any of that first hand - but it sounds potentially attractive - if it works.
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    I use topical magnesium salts regualrly. I don't know if they do all that is claimed but they do have significant healing properties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Yes, according to reports, a mixture of magnesium chloride and distilled water are applied topically. I have read that the calcium/magnesium ration is improved significantly, and here may be implications as to increased DHEA.

    But, I do not know any of that first hand - but it sounds potentially attractive - if it works.
    No idea on this one i'm afraid. I can see what I can find but this is the first I've heard of doing it topically
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Interesting.

    On one hand a product like SuperBeast gets great reviews from people(at least that I've met), yet the profile screams libido booster, not test, and to top that off with such a large profile it is likely underdosed. Isatest and T-Bomb can go in the same boat from anecdotal feedback.

    On the other hand you have educated(slightly at least) members of the forum who shy away from these products as the ingredients and the labels claims in testosterone clearly conflict. A lot of these members(again, this is not a rule, just generalizing) claim to take the more proven ingredient profiles and largely give the SAME type of reviews group one gives libido boosters.

    All placebo in group A? Is it just the feel good mood that matters sense most test ingredients will have little to no change on body comp? I dunno.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I use topical magnesium salts regualrly. I don't know if they do all that is claimed but they do have significant healing properties.
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    All this Protein talk has me wondering, what is the most optimal protein combination? What does the science say?

    Forget brands; if one has the availability of any type of protein in its pure form, which will be selected and at what ratio mixed?

    My thoughts are Micellar Casein (MPI) + Casein Hydrolysate (Peptopro) + WPI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philosophy View Post
    All this Protein talk has me wondering, what is the most optimal protein combination? What does the science say?

    Forget brands; if one has the availability of any type of protein in its pure form, which will be selected and at what ratio mixed?

    My thoughts are Micellar Casein (MPI) + Casein Hydrolysate (Peptopro) + WPI
    Food

    And... Where did anyone bring up protein?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Food

    And... Where did anyone bring up protein?
    Food has and always will be my focus, the same can be said for everyone on here.

    No one brought up protein in this thread, however it is constantly a hot topic in this forum and others alike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philosophy View Post
    Food has and always will be my focus, the same can be said for everyone on here.

    No one brought up protein in this thread, however it is constantly a hot topic in this forum and others alike.
    Oh I got ya, you meant all the protein talk in general lol not specifically ITT. My bad
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    And in response to your question my personal preference if or when I used to use protein I opted for blends. To be honest people usually sweat the small **** for minor differences instead of eating more and working out.

    Data, so on and so forth, obsessing over the most minute details when lifting as a hobbyist is absurd. You know when my best gains came? My most strength? When I dropped the protein, stfu killed it in the gym and ate adequately. Protein supplements IMO are unnecessary, data shmata.

    In 4 - but the data says...

    Results are what I'm after period. I've never noticed a difference from using pro supps and not so, even if there is a statistical difference its insignificant to my body. My advice don't waste the cash. You guys analyze data I'll be EATING, yacking at every workout and taking my bulk products progressing every workout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    And in response to your question my personal preference if or when I used to use protein I opted for blends. To be honest people usually sweat the small **** for minor differences instead of eating more and working out.

    Data, so on and so forth, obsessing over the most minute details when lifting as a hobbyist is absurd. You know when my best gains came? My most strength? When I dropped the protein, stfu killed it in the gym and ate adequately. Protein supplements IMO are unnecessary, data shmata.

    In 4 - but the data says...

    Results are what I'm after period. I've never noticed a difference from using pro supps and not so, even if there is a statistical difference its insignificant to my body. My advice don't waste the cash. You guys analyze data I'll be EATING, yacking at every workout and taking my bulk products progressing every workout.

    Roundtable this ish up!
    But the data says...



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    How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
    I'm interested in this as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
    It's a farce. The two products with the omg effects were tested to have ETH. It is well documented and with multiple sources. The rest will likely do nothing to enhance your workout. Not a shred of evidence it contains a stimulant naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    It's a farce. The two products with the omg effects were tested to have ETH. It is well documented and with multiple sources. The rest will likely do nothing to enhance your workout. Not a shred of evidence it contains a stimulant naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
    Can one produce a study on dendrobium which supports it's claims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post
    Can one produce a study on dendrobium which supports it's claims?
    Are we gonna touch base on the "natural" source of DMAA which was proved by a Chinese reputable source? (IIRC)...I still have my doubts if DMAA really has a natural source, and we were just synthesizing it for ease of production...or if the FDA for once was right (and painfully so, I did like DMAA @ certain dosages).
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    How about that denbrobium that seems to be all the rage these days?
    Compare the effects of Primafore dendrobium + a typical stimulant containing preworkout and those of DS Craze.

    It becomes obvious there is something abnormal about craze.

    There's really nothing in dendrobium that looks attractive as a preworkout stimulant
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    Seems we are all in agreement on dendrobium.


    What does everyone think about testofen?

    I used a product with it and felt opposite effects(if anything) compared to other test boosters(all three bioforges, DAA solo, DAA stacks, T-Bol, etc).
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    Random question, but has anyone tried using bioperine with caffeine to increase its effects? I'm currently trying Decimate and it's kick is much stronger than 200mg of caffeine usually has on me and I'm not convinced the paeonol/PEA combo is whats doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWinging View Post
    Random question, but has anyone tried using bioperine with caffeine to increase its effects? I'm currently trying Decimate and it's kick is much stronger than 200mg of caffeine usually has on me and I'm not convinced the paeonol/PEA combo is whats doing it.
    I use bioperine with things like quercetin, muira puama and I3C, but - for me - with caffeine - I usually just slug down another cup o' Joe - so, no, I don't use bioperine with caffeine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWinging View Post
    Random question, but has anyone tried using bioperine with caffeine to increase its effects? I'm currently trying Decimate and it's kick is much stronger than 200mg of caffeine usually has on me and I'm not convinced the paeonol/PEA combo is whats doing it.
    I would doubt caffeine is enhanced this way as it has great oral bioavailability. I'm pretty sure it can be absorbed in all parts of the digestive tract as well. Interesting though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post

    I would doubt caffeine is enhanced this way as it has great oral bioavailability. I'm pretty sure it can be absorbed in all parts of the digestive tract as well. Interesting though.
    Dendrobium might enhance the effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post

    Dendrobium might enhance the effects
    Dat dere alkaloids bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I would doubt caffeine is enhanced this way as it has great oral bioavailability. I'm pretty sure it can be absorbed in all parts of the digestive tract as well. Interesting though.
    Right, pretty much blanked on that. Maybe it helps increase it's half-life? Piperine does inhibit one of enzymes that metabolize caffeine, so maybe that could help explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWinging View Post

    Right, pretty much blanked on that. Maybe it helps increase it's half-life? Piperine does inhibit one of enzymes that metabolize caffeine, so maybe that could help explain it.
    Also I remember it being a dgat1 inhibitor
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Also I remember it being a dgat1 inhibitor
    The dgat1 inhibition along with the down-regulation of ppar-y activity and expression make it seem like it would be great for a lean bulk/recomp, I wonder why bioperine isn't in more products other than for increasing nutrient uptake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWinging View Post

    The dgat1 inhibition along with the down-regulation of ppar-y activity and expression make it seem like it would be great for a lean bulk/recomp, I wonder why bioperine isn't in more products other than for increasing nutrient uptake?
    I have no idea. But I hav a formula I want to use that has it and a few other things in it
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I have no idea. But I hav a formula I want to use that has it and a few other things in it
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