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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post

    On a purely anecdotal basis I love Fadogia. As far as libido and mood I think that was the top ingredient in that category for me (granted my youth I don't think that says too much).

    I only ever used T-force and Bioforge Promax.
    I am using tforce with prime anabeta and testpowder just because I have it lol

    It's been 3 days on all. 2 weeks on test powder and tforce


  2. Quote Originally Posted by SoloX View Post

    That's an over-simplification (I'm from Examine.com).

    We said it does not go well with it because it *can* compete. By no means did we imply that they will counteract each other permanently. If you take them at the same time, there can be competition, but we don't exactly know how much would be wasted.

    At the same time - our site has an open discussion. If you think something is wrong, tell us.
    Welcome to the boards then.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    Welcome to the boards then.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post

    The only thing that needs to be remembered with test boosting products is that realistically the most benefits you're going to get from it is mood and libido boosts.

    Strength and muscle mass gains will be minimal at best. Unless, it raises your T levels ridiculously high, which it's a natural product so...
    I get more out of fadogia Agrestis then libido and sense of wellness. I mainly get increased testicular fullness and testicular atrophy prevention along side my TRT. So I do feel their are added benefits to this ingredient.

  5. But definitely agree you won't gain any actual muscle mass by supplementing with fadogia.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    But definitely agree you won't gain any actual muscle mass by supplementing with fadogia.
    Nor any nutraceutical test boosting
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post

    Nor any nutraceutical test boosting
    It appears that way. Although the addition of forskolin in a few should help with body composition.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by SoloX View Post
    That's an over-simplification (I'm from Examine.com).

    We said it does not go well with it because it *can* compete. By no means did we imply that they will counteract each other permanently. If you take them at the same time, there can be competition, but we don't exactly know how much would be wasted.

    At the same time - our site has an open discussion. If you think something is wrong, tell us.
    Thank you very much for dropping in.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by SoloX View Post
    That's an over-simplification (I'm from Examine.com).

    We said it does not go well with it because it *can* compete. By no means did we imply that they will counteract each other permanently. If you take them at the same time, there can be competition, but we don't exactly know how much would be wasted.

    At the same time - our site has an open discussion. If you think something is wrong, tell us.
    Welcome aboard, would be great to have your input on the forums!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Many people LOVE Fadogia man! I know Coop is a big fan of Fadogia... Fadogia has been tabled let's get a ruling! I personally haven't used it
    About the only thing missing with Fadogia is published human data.

    I'd like to see a better determination of what the active glycosides are and how they compare with anacyclus pyretheum as the two ingredients methods of action are theoretically similar.

    But in theory and in anecdote Fadogia looks solid.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Welcome aboard, would be great to have your input on the forums!
    Agreed I frequent examine.com for TONS of information! I also direct people to your site often and definitely would not classify it as a "data mining" site.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    About the only thing missing with Fadogia is published human data.

    I'd like to see a better determination of what the active glycosides are and how they compare with anacyclus pyretheum as the two ingredients methods of action are theoretically similar.

    But in theory and in anecdote Fadogia looks solid.
    I think I have only read one negative review on fadogia and the reviewer was not stable IMO. Literally, unstable...

    Other than that the anecdotal feedback like you said has been incredible.
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  13. poor coop bro is probably has thinking thrice or more before any posting for quotes out the woodwork to come haunting
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Agreed I frequent examine.com for TONS of information! I also direct people to your site often and definitely would not classify it as a "data mining" site.
    Agreed. Love the site layout and how easy it is to find info.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post

    About the only thing missing with Fadogia is published human data.

    I'd like to see a better determination of what the active glycosides are and how they compare with anacyclus pyretheum as the two ingredients methods of action are theoretically similar.

    But in theory and in anecdote Fadogia looks solid.
    I wish pct assist had fadogia
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    Your advanced creatine discussion has just blown my advanced discussion mind!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SoloX View Post
    That's an over-simplification (I'm from Examine.com).

    We said it does not go well with it because it *can* compete. By no means did we imply that they will counteract each other permanently. If you take them at the same time, there can be competition, but we don't exactly know how much would be wasted.

    At the same time - our site has an open discussion. If you think something is wrong, tell us.
    I'd contend that what is written in the "editor's note" about agmatine + creatine is a gross oversimplification. Agmatine taken with anything will reduce total NMDA signaling if given at the right dose. Comparing two studies done in a test tube is indeed quite irrelevant when you consider how NMDA signaling actually works in vivo (which involves changes a host of preceding events to make it even possible).

    You can follow along here if you want to gather edits for your ingredients. You have a great site by the way, regardless of our disagreement here. Putting things in physiological context is the key.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Your advanced creatine discussion has just blown my advanced discussion mind!
    Huh. Cool.


  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I'd contend that what is written in the "editor's note" about agmatine + creatine is a gross oversimplification. Agmatine taken with anything will reduce total NMDA signaling if given at the right dose. Comparing two studies done in a test tube is indeed quite irrelevant when you consider how NMDA signaling actually works in vivo (which involves changes a host of preceding events to make it even possible).

    You can follow along here if you want to gather edits for your ingredients. You have a great site by the way, regardless of our disagreement here. Putting things in physiological context is the key.
    Awsome!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I'd contend that what is written in the "editor's note" about agmatine + creatine is a gross oversimplification. Agmatine taken with anything will reduce total NMDA signaling if given at the right dose. Comparing two studies done in a test tube is indeed quite irrelevant when you consider how NMDA signaling actually works in vivo (which involves changes a host of preceding events to make it even possible).

    You can follow along here if you want to gather edits for your ingredients. You have a great site by the way, regardless of our disagreement here. Putting things in physiological context is the key.
    So just to get this straight the NMDA effects are due to creatine saturation and not acute dosing? I think that's where the misunderstanding was. I will look more into it but to be completely honest I've never paid attention to whether the cognitive benefits were seen in an acute setting or over a period of time (saturation), which is probably where I went wrong.

    Almost off these pain killers and back to normal posting abilities lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Your advanced creatine discussion has just blown my advanced discussion mind!
    Surely you mean our layman's term discussion just blew your advanced discussion mind.

    Mind blown!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    If you were considering using it instead of NaHCO3 (preworkout), here is something to consider:http://suppversity.blogspot.com/sear...um+bicarbonate
    From a prior post of mine, "It's been studied a lot, and while studies show it working, they're pretty much all wrong on why. Na+ is what you really want to consider when referring to exercise, not HCO3 (increase in extracellular potassium ions and intracellular sodium ions)...Na+ makes the osmotic and ionic change less severe. It just so happens that sodium ions have their most maximal effect when administrated with bicarbonate ions."
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    So just to get this straight the NMDA effects are due to creatine saturation and not acute dosing? I think that's where the misunderstanding was. I will look more into it but to be completely honest I've never paid attention to whether the cognitive benefits were seen in an acute setting or over a period of time (saturation), which is probably where I went wrong.

    Almost off these pain killers and back to normal posting abilities lol
    The studies either bathed neurons in vivo for a set period of time or directly injected the neurons/neuronal tissue with creatine. Due to creatine's rapid elimination kinetics, it's safe to say any cognitive benefit would be yielded from prolonged use.

    Agmatine also has a CNS retention of at least 24 (more likely 50+) hours in primates so that would exclude creatine use at any point in the next 2-3 days...

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The studies either bathed neurons in vivo for a set period of time or directly injected the neurons/neuronal tissue with creatine. Due to creatine's rapid elimination kinetics, it's safe to say any cognitive benefit would be yielded from prolonged use.

    Agmatine also has a CNS retention of at least 24 (more likely 50+) hours in primates so that would exclude creatine use at any point in the next 2-3 days...
    Thanks man
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Thanks man
    Np bro. One final point to consider is that creatine enters the brain via a transporter that is operating at near-saturation kinetics at rest (no creatine supplementation). So getting supraphysiological amounts of creatine into the brain may prove difficult in vivo
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