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  1. Thoughts on cissus quadrangularis

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Thoughts on cissus quadrangularis
    Godsend for joints
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  3. Thoughts on cissus quadrangularis

  4. ^^^ sorry, I didn't mean to post it up twice.
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    Great for joints and also has some appetite suppression properties if taken fasted, I take it before breakfast typically as I lift in the afternoon and as an anti inflammatory it should be taken away from your workout
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  6. How much time away from a workout should you dose it? I like already having it in my system before a go to workout to help elevate some minor joint pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    How much time away from a workout should you dose it? I like already having it in my system before a go to workout to help elevate some minor joint pain.
    I was initially recommended 4 hours apart. Inflammation is needed for muscle growth.
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  8. Also, I know it is proven to have healing properties with bones and tendons, but is there any evidence of cissus having anabolic/androgenic properties?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    I was initially recommended 4 hours apart. Inflammation is needed for muscle growth.
    Thanks for the info

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Great for joints and also has some appetite suppression properties if taken fasted, I take it before breakfast typically as I lift in the afternoon and as an anti inflammatory it should be taken away from your workout
    Does cissus have anabolic qualities, that you know of. I've heard that said, but do not know personally.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post

    Does cissus have anabolic qualities, that you know of. I've heard that said, but do not know personally.
    In bones
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post

    In bones
    Elaborate

  13. Quote Originally Posted by smoker145 View Post

    Elaborate
    Possible production of osteoclasts

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Does cissus have anabolic qualities, that you know of. I've heard that said, but do not know personally.
    By allowing you to lift heavier, you could say it has anabolic qualities.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    By allowing you to lift heavier, you could say it has anabolic qualities.
    I'd have to disagree. My knee wraps allow me to squat more.

    I think he is referring to it being wrongly included in sports supplements as being a direct anabolic. Due to the fact it shows properties of this in bones and has bone fracture studies to back it, some sports companies took that to be anabolic in bones = anabolic in muscle.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I'd have to disagree. My knee wraps allow me to squat more. I think he is referring to it being wrongly included in sports supplements as being a direct anabolic. Due to the fact it shows properties of this in bones and has bone fracture studies to back it, some sports companies took that to be anabolic in bones = anabolic in muscle.
    Well of course other factors come into play here but for many people if Cissus wasn't an option, they would be hurting.

    Agreed with the second part though.
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  17. A must have for joints

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    By allowing you to lift heavier, you could say it has anabolic qualities.
    Not really equatable to having a direct anabolic action though.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Not really equatable to having a direct anabolic action though.
    True.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I'd have to disagree. My knee wraps allow me to squat more.

    I think he is referring to it being wrongly included in sports supplements as being a direct anabolic. Due to the fact it shows properties of this in bones and has bone fracture studies to back it, some sports companies took that to be anabolic in bones = anabolic in muscle.
    Yes, these are the assertions I've read.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Not really equatable to having a direct anabolic action though.
    Want to dissect this one?

    Oddly enough I've never tried Cissus despite frequent joint pain. I think it's time.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17274828/

    RESULTS: CQR-300 as well as CORE exhibited antioxidant properties in vitro. They also acted as in vivo antioxidants, bringing about significant (p < 0.001) reductions in plasma TBARS and carbonyls. Both CQR-300 and CORE also brought about significant reductions in weight, body fat, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and fasting blood glucose levels over the respective study periods. These changes were accompanied by a significant increase in HDL-cholesterol levels, plasma 5-HT, and creatinine.

    CONCLUSION: CQR-300 (300 mg daily) and CORE (1028 mg daily) brought about significant reductions in weight and blood glucose levels, while decreasing serum lipids thus improving cardiovascular risk factors. The increase in plasma 5-HT and creatinine for both groups hypothesizes a mechanism of controlling appetite and promoting the increase of lean muscle mass by Cissus quadrangularis, thereby supporting the clinical data for weight loss and improving cardiovascular health.
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  22. There is a great review on the functions of cissus published out of Creighton University. Worth a read for those that use it.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Spaniard View Post
    Want to dissect this one?

    Oddly enough I've never tried Cissus despite frequent joint pain. I think it's time.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17274828/

    You'll notice their conclusion and abstract mention promoting increase of muscle mass but nowhere in actual content of the study do they measure or mention anything to do with lean mass

    For joints, definitely, for lean mass/anabolism? I remain skeptical.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    You'll notice their conclusion and abstract mention promoting increase of muscle mass but nowhere in actual content of the study do they measure or mention anything to do with lean mass

    For joints, definitely, for lean mass/anabolism? I remain skeptical.
    The mirror isn't an accurate enough measure?

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  25. Will catch up but subbed before I forget where this thread is.
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