Coop's Corner #4: Alpha-2 Antagonism? Yes Please.

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    Awesome info coop, I have been looking into yohimbine HCL for a while now and finally pulled the trigger to get some in combination with Forskolin.
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    Thanks Coop and Synapsin, very informative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    The issue is that yohimbine increases the production of catecholamines and also blocks subsequent catecholamine metabolism. In principle, you should also avoid supplements or foods that contain high amounts of phenylalanine.

    Crap, I've been mixing Oep Powder and focus xt. Also Oep Powder and Enhanced. No wonder I have been feeling extra jitters!
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    Guess I'll save the Focus xt until I finish the Oep Powder and enhanced. Or vice/versa.
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    Damn, I had been using Tyrosine with Yohimbine before. Thanks for the info. Great thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spindletop View Post
    I recently tried a few fat burners from various companies, including Alphamine. All had some kind of yohimbine or rauwolscine in them. I got headaches from all of them, and generally felt awful while they were in my system. My heart rate didn't go way up or anything, but it made me *feel* hypertensive. The only one that didn't make me feel like that was Red Acid Reborn, but it still gave me enough of a headache that I wouldn't want to deal with the effects daily, or hit the gym while I was taking it.

    I know that caffeine isn't the problem because I drink a good amount of coffee daily, and I can take (yohimbine-free) PWOs without any issue. Is this a normal response to the dosages of yohimbine common in these kinds of products?

    Oh, and kudos to you guys and other companies willing to send out samples of these kinds of products so we can figure out if they work for our bodies before we buy them. I know now that I won't be buying any Alphamine in the future (unless the UK version starts selling for the same price as the US version on NP), but I did get three bottles of Forskolin 95 in the mail yesterday. ;-)
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    It sounds like you just generally have a very low tolerance to a2-antagonists. Like said in this thread, check to see what else you are supplementing with. Anything with tyrosine or tyramine? Are you eating a lot of cheese?
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    so what alpha-2 antagonists are you guys using?
    where from and how much, im interested!!

    currently my only source of yohimbine is from oxyelite powder and AAv2
    if im really good at tolerating yohimbine, would waxing the dosage increase effectiveness? maybe not effectiveness but would it result in more fat cells lost or shrink or whatever it is that happens that make you look leaner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananaClip View Post
    so what alpha-2 antagonists are you guys using?
    where from and how much, im interested!!

    currently my only source of yohimbine is from oxyelite powder and AAv2
    if im really good at tolerating yohimbine, would waxing the dosage increase effectiveness? maybe not effectiveness but would it result in more fat cells lost or shrink or whatever it is that happens that make you look leaner.
    Yes, but you want to stay safe above all. The thing about pure yohimbine hcl is the extremely narrow therapeutic index. You can go from 15mg to 20mg and suddenly your world has been rocked
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    Sorry if this seems like its off topic, and if I'm still very new to AM. Trying to learn as much as possible.

    Hey coop and anyone else with input, I take a "wakefulness aid" called modafinil to keep me awake most days, its hard staying awake while working 40-50 hrs a week and taking 15 credit hours in college. Yesterday I took my Modafinil and an hour later mixed a scoop of OEP powder(which has Yohimbine in it.). I only drank half of what I mixed, then my energy was out of control. I rode my bike 20 miles in record time. this made me very curious. I was reading up on modafinil and it said: "Modafinil has central alpha 1-adrenergic agonist effects i.e. it directly stimulates the receptors." http://modafinil.com/ 3rd paragraph down. My question is, is it synergistic? or the opposite? would it be is it safe to mix the two?! not asking for medical advice or trying to have you guys answer as a medical professional, just trying to learn if mixing an alpha 1-adrenergic agonist with an alpha-2 antagonist would have an effect on each other. Just here to learn. Thanks -Luke
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpfleiderer View Post
    Sorry if this seems like its off topic, and if I'm still very new to AM. Trying to learn as much as possible.

    Hey coop and anyone else with input, I take a "wakefulness aid" called modafinil to keep me awake most days, its hard staying awake while working 40-50 hrs a week and taking 15 credit hours in college. Yesterday I took my Modafinil and an hour later mixed a scoop of OEP powder(which has Yohimbine in it.). I only drank half of what I mixed, then my energy was out of control. I rode my bike 20 miles in record time. this made me very curious. I was reading up on modafinil and it said: "Modafinil has central alpha 1-adrenergic agonist effects i.e. it directly stimulates the receptors." http://modafinil.com/ 3rd paragraph down. My question is, is it synergistic? or the opposite? would it be is it safe to mix the two?! not asking for medical advice or trying to have you guys answer as a medical professional, just trying to learn if mixing an alpha 1-adrenergic agonist with an alpha-2 antagonist would have an effect on each other. Just here to learn. Thanks -Luke
    An alpha 1 agonist would promote wakefulness, but yohimbine hcl has very little affinity for the alpha 1 receptor (wherein it would antagonize it and create a subtractive effect). Modafinil in general is not fully understood and I wouldn't combine any supplement with it. I also don't recommend using modafinil simply because you have a heavy workload, for financial reasons and otherwise. Caffeine is plenty effective and actually very healthy, neurologically speaking
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Thanks everyone.

    Unfortunately, some users will experience these effects from alpha-2 antagonists due to excessive adrenergic stimulation. It won't matter which alpha-2 antagonist you use, the story will be the same. Your only real hope is the tolerance that develops with continued use. There's evidence that the adrenergic effects diminish with time while lipolysis actually stays constant
    I'm just curious, is the dosing scheme like beta-antagonists, 3weeks on, then 3weeks off because of receptor down regulation? If so, how could I build a tolerance to the adrenergic effect and be on it long enough for significant fat loss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patuba View Post
    I'm just curious, is the dosing scheme like beta-antagonists, 3weeks on, then 3weeks off because of receptor down regulation? If so, how could I build a tolerance to the adrenergic effect and be on it long enough for significant fat loss?
    This applies to virtually no beta agonists outside of clen (due to the multi-day halflife). Yohimbine has shown a diminished side effect profile with continued lipolysis with prolonged use, similar to ephedrine (a beta agonist).
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    What about Boerhaavia diffusa and its effect on the alpha-2 receptor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post

    It sounds like you just generally have a very low tolerance to a2-antagonists. Like said in this thread, check to see what else you are supplementing with. Anything with tyrosine or tyramine? Are you eating a lot of cheese?
    Nothing else besides creatine, especially on the days I took the yohimbe products. And no, I don't eat lots of cheese. I think I'm just sensitive. No big deal, and again, thanks for providing samples so I could test it in advance.
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    So after using enhanced since the day it came out for 2-3 days a week, you think I should try alphamine again?. Alphamine always made me jittery/nervous, even at .25 dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This applies to virtually no beta agonists outside of clen (due to the multi-day halflife). Yohimbine has shown a diminished side effect profile with continued lipolysis with prolonged use, similar to ephedrine (a beta agonist).
    Whats the longest you would advise taking a yohimbine product? EC stack? ECY stack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    So after using enhanced since the day it came out for 2-3 days a week, you think I should try alphamine again?. Alphamine always made me jittery/nervous, even at .25 dosage.
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    Whats the longest you would advise taking a yohimbine product? EC stack? ECY stack?
    I'd say a max of 8 weeks for yohimbine. EC safety studies go up to 6 months
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    This applies to virtually no beta agonists outside of clen (due to the multi-day halflife). Yohimbine has shown a diminished side effect profile with continued lipolysis with prolonged use, similar to ephedrine (a beta agonist).
    Ive noticed the longer I use yohimbe consistently the less I feel jittery. But the rate of fat loss continues
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    Coop any potential dangers in light alcohol consumption, specifically red wine a few hours after dosing yohimbe? Any interaction with the alcohol or sulfites?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Coop any potential dangers in light alcohol consumption, specifically red wine a few hours after dosing yohimbe? Any interaction with the alcohol or sulfites?
    Alcohol, as an activator of AMPK, may potentiate the fat loss effects of yohimbe (in the absence of any other macronutrients)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Alcohol, as an activator of AMPK, may potentiate the fat loss effects of yohimbe (in the absence of any other macronutrients)
    I'll be adding a few shots of Jameson to my pre AM cardio Alphamine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Alcohol, as an activator of AMPK, may potentiate the fat loss effects of yohimbe (in the absence of any other macronutrients)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    I'll be adding a few shots of Jameson to my pre AM cardio Alphamine
    Fasted, drunk cardio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    Fasted, drunk cardio.

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    what would be considered 'higher than yohimbine' dosages for the rauwolscine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by googlealchemi View Post
    what would be considered 'higher than yohimbine' dosages for the rauwolscine?
    Wondering about this myself . I have a few bottles of AlphaBurn from EvoMuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post

    Wondering about this myself . I have a few bottles of AlphaBurn from EvoMuse
    3x the amount

    3mg yohimbine = 9mg alpha y IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Coop any potential dangers in light alcohol consumption, specifically red wine a few hours after dosing yohimbe? Any interaction with the alcohol or sulfites?
    What kind of wine do you drink?

    I prefer a shiraz-cabernet blend myself. Pair with some goudad and olives for an appetizer followed by some steak and grilled brussels sprouts... damn now im hungry!
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    Is yohimbine okay to take with ECA? If so, and if utilizing the proper eca protocol (25e, 200c, 81a) what would be the proper dose for y?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Is yohimbine okay to take with ECA? If so, and if utilizing the proper eca protocol (25e, 200c, 81a) what would be the proper dose for y?
    Some do but it isnt really recommended because of the combinations interaction on heart rate and blood pressue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    3x the amount

    3mg yohimbine = 9mg alpha y IMO

    Just my preference
    thanks for feedback.. Alpha burn is 30mg at 30% rauwolscine or 9MG ..looking at what you had listed in your example its a perfect dose. For someone 210lbs would that come out to 2pills a day total 18mg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post

    thanks for feedback.. Alpha burn is 30mg at 30% rauwolscine or 9MG ..looking at what you had listed in your example its a perfect dose. For someone 210lbs would that come out to 2pills a day total 18mg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Well so is adipose annihilation v2 per 2 capsules
    Was more asking if that would be correct dose 2 pills a day. I haven't tried AA but its on my short list to try. 2 caps of that is 18mg also ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post

    Was more asking if that would be correct dose 2 pills a day. I haven't tried AA but its on my short list to try. 2 caps of that is 18mg also ?
    Yes sir

    It's actually a tad more since it extracted to 36%

    And it's non stim also so it compliments it well. Just saying
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