Does glutamine and/or BCAAs cause an insulin response?

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    Does glutamine and/or BCAAs cause an insulin response?


    Does glutamine and/or BCAAs cause an insulin response?

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    Yes, a massive one at that. Thankfully, it's short-lived too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes, a massive one at that. Thankfully, it's short-lived too.
    Have you read about the meat and nuts breakfast? I was thinking about employing this in an upcoming cut,but i would assume as it is used to keep insulin release controlled for longer and therefore it is only appropriate if u workout after breakfast..,I tend to workout first thing on an empty stomach and use breakfast as my post workout meal, so it would make that kind of meal inappropriate for my training schedule right??
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    Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about raising insulin.

    Insulin is extremely anabolic and should be taken advantage of at the right times.

    Insulin also blocks and reduces cortisol spikes.

    Fear the reaper... Not insulin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about raising insulin.

    Insulin is extremely anabolic and should be taken advantage of at the right times.

    Insulin also blocks and reduces cortisol spikes.

    Fear the reaper... Not insulin
    I couldn't agree more,that's why I supplement maltodextrin and vitargo often when I workout...however I'm not to keen on spiking insulin first thing when I wake up if I'm not gonna workout for another 10 hours...sound reasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about raising insulin.

    Insulin is extremely anabolic and should be taken advantage of at the right times.

    Insulin also blocks and reduces cortisol spikes.

    Fear the reaper... Not insulin
    This.

    Insulin secretion is important; it gets a bad rap for storing fat yet this will not occur in a calorie deficit. Also, it helps to attenuate protein breakdown and preserve muscle mass whilst in a deficit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes, a massive one at that. Thankfully, it's short-lived too.
    From all I've read it's in the presence of glucose. Atleast leucine is
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanik View Post
    I couldn't agree more,that's why I supplement maltodextrin and vitargo often when I workout...however I'm not to keen on spiking insulin first thing when I wake up if I'm not gonna workout for another 10 hours...sound reasonable?
    You can control the spike by combining insulinogenic foods with fats and/ or proteins. If you do wish to limit insulin spike then consume foods that do not promote insulin secretion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about raising insulin.

    Insulin is extremely anabolic and should be taken advantage of at the right times.

    Insulin also blocks and reduces cortisol spikes.

    Fear the reaper... Not insulin
    Well, insulin release is beneficial. Insulin spiking is probably suboptimal for bodybuilders. For instance, data shows that 20g protein adequately maximizes MPS postworkout in an insulin-dependent fashion...adding carbs or whatnot has no further effect on MPS and may contribute to fat gain (along with glycogen restoration, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Well, insulin release is beneficial. Insulin spiking is probably suboptimal for bodybuilders. For instance, data shows that 20g protein adequately maximizes MPS postworkout in an insulin-dependent fashion...adding carbs or whatnot has no further effect on MPS and may contribute to fat gain (along with glycogen restoration, of course).
    I agree. I should reiterate I am not saying its beneficial to suck down 100g dextrose upon waking / post workout.

    But like I said I think people should try and take advantage of insulin's anabolic effects and not abuse them or fear them.
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    I'm confused... Today I'm not training so I won't be using a pre fasted workout dose of bcca/ea. prior to taking this dose I use one cap of AP ~25 mins before.. Is the insulin rise from aminos inhibiting the fat loss and GH effects of training fasted?

    On off days, should I be consuming a serving of amino IV during my fast window (like two - three hours before breaking the fast with food)? I guess when it comes down to it, I feel like since adding in pre workout aminos, my fat loss has halted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I'm confused... Today I'm not training so I won't be using a pre fasted workout dose of bcca/ea. prior to taking this dose I use one cap of AP ~25 mins before.. Is the insulin rise from aminos inhibiting the fat loss and GH effects of training fasted?

    On off days, should I be consuming a serving of amino IV during my fast window (like two - three hours before breaking the fast with food)? I guess when it comes down to it, I feel like since adding in pre workout aminos, my fat loss has halted.

    Would appreciate any feedback. Yes I've read many studies.
    Hey ched. If you're in a caloric deficit, I wouldn't worry about pre-workout aminos halting your progress. I'd be more concerned with limiting muscle protein breakdown while training and holding on to as much muscle as possible. You still have the rest of the day to create an environment favorable for fat loss as well.

    Here's a quick story . During my last prep, I often trained fasted, my workouts and energy were awful, and I lost more muscle than I would've liked. Throughout my current prep, I've had a pre-workout meal, intra drink, and a well balanced meal about an hour after training. At six weeks out, I'm just as lean, dropping fat at a great pace, my workout intensity and strength haven't slipped whatsoever, and I'm still holding more weight than when I started last prep. The difference has been night and day.
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    Breezy, riddle me this. So for me following CBL with a slight caloric surplus, and training midday for the most part and carbs introduced in the evening, where would BCAA/EAAs play an optimal role, if any?

    I've also been taking in 5g Leucine pre/intra as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    Breezy, riddle me this. So for me following CBL with a slight caloric surplus, and training midday for the most part and carbs introduced in the evening, where would BCAA/EAAs play an optimal role, if any?

    I've also been taking in 5g Leucine pre/intra as well.
    Exactly this. I do IF with CBL on a slight surplus. On non training days I condone significantly less carbs. I train any time between 2-5 pm. I usually stop eating around 9-10pm and don't eat until after my workout.. So I feel like the pre workout aminos are important obviously for this reason. I'm wondering if taking bcaa with meals is necessary/beneficial or just overkill.

    To your point Sean- I feel like aminos are still necessary to preserve muscle/begin MPS and the carbs from your backload are used to fuel the workout- with total calories on the day being the factor determining fat loss/muscle gain/etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    Breezy, riddle me this. So for me following CBL with a slight caloric surplus, and training midday for the most part and carbs introduced in the evening, where would BCAA/EAAs play an optimal role, if any? I've also been taking in 5g Leucine pre/intra as well.
    I'd still argue given type of training and level of training they'd have an impact. Based on your workouts I'd say it would still be beneficial and I know I still do it (and add additional carbs).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I'd still argue given type of training and level of training they'd have an impact. Based on your workouts I'd say it would still be beneficial and I know I still do it (and add additional carbs).
    Thanks for that, Bolt. I'm still contemplating adding some sort of carb, 30gramsish, around the workouts that are way before the backload.
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    I'm with bolt on the type and level of training being a factor, and that it would be beneficial in your case. I like the idea of adding some carbs to your peri-workout nutrition as well. Not a ton, but enough to support your training. I believe that you'd be able to take advantage of exercise-induced GLUT4 translocation, which should help ensure that the carbs get driven into muscle. You could then limit carbs until the evening.
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    That pleases me bigtime lol Thanks, man.

    Now I'm on the hunt for carb powders. Woo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    That pleases me bigtime lol Thanks, man.

    Now I'm on the hunt for carb powders. Woo.
    Lol no problem, Sean. You can use my discount code, if interested.
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    Would it be bad to stack BCAAs with alphamine? The insulin response with blunt the yohimbine right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raekwonse View Post
    Would it be bad to stack BCAAs with alphamine? The insulin response with blunt the yohimbine right?
    Many have said it isn't strong enough.. Hypothetically u take your alphamine 30minutws to an hour pre workout and use your bcaa directly pre or intra, so combining them at the same moment really wouldn't be a frequent occurrence.. But like I said, I was told its no big deal.. Maybe someone else can confirm or deny this
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    Quote Originally Posted by raekwonse View Post
    Would it be bad to stack BCAAs with alphamine? The insulin response with blunt the yohimbine right?
    Your fine with that during the pre-workout window. Alphamine + Amino IV ftw
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post

    Your fine with that during the pre-workout window. Alphamine + Amino IV ftw
    This is what I do before I workout. Take BCAAs pre workout and Amino IV intra.
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    I always thought there was no need to dose BCAA with Alphamine because Alphamine already has Leucine in it (or some derivative of it), but either way, I am pretty sure the BCAA insulin spike is so short that it doesn't matter and you'll still get the fat burning effects of Yohimbe and it's derivatives (I always dose BCAA with Norco+AT2)
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    Ya Alphamine has HICA in it. If your taking that and Amino IV I really dnt see a need for any extra BCAAs/Leucine.
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