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    This thread is hotter than that habanero pepper seed that got stuck in the back of my throat today. Conspiracies! Drugs! Crime! Can you say drama?!

    If this keeps going on I might have to introduce my girlfriend to this thread she loves this kind of ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    TAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!!!
    That it certainly did. Almost had me for another 2 bottles but common sense won out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Funny that someone that claims to be so versed in law can't apply a simple concept to this case and that would be the lack of evidence provided by USADA. You do not need a law degree to know how to apply a logical fallacy and that would be the basic burden of proof. Instead, you choose to insult my character in a sad effort to derail from the fact that there is nothing to substantiate the claim made by USADA.
    Huh, so I need to run mass spec or gas chrom on a product before I can ask a company what is in it or if a finding by the usda is bunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Huh, so I need to run mass spec or gas chrom on a product before I can ask a company what is in it or if a finding by the usda is bunk.
    You'd figure someone with such a prominent understanding of law would know a basic concept like this. The USADA needs to post something showing that disproves validity of the label on Versa-1 and the methods used, chain of custody of the bottle, lot numbers, etc. You should be focusing on why the USADA is claiming that Versa-1 contains MC instead of aegeline and CDP-choline.
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    Or how about a USP rep just simply denying it??
    I would never buy it so it doesnt really matter to me one way or another but if customers are curious why cant they just acknowledge the question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    You'd figure someone with such a prominent understanding of law would know a basic concept like this. The USADA needs to post something showing that disproves validity of the label on Versa-1 and the methods used, chain of custody of the bottle, lot numbers, etc. You should be focusing on why the USADA is claiming that Versa-1 contains MC instead of aegeline and CDP-choline.
    What in the world are you talking about. If you have no independent verification about what is in Versa 1, then kindly move on and let someone that does speak on an informed basis.

    I simply asked if USP can unequivocally state that ph is not in there. Candidly, you reflect very badly on PES if they endorse your sidestepping straight forward questions about contents or your trying to hide the ball as to what is truly in products. I hope PES does not share your mentality, but then again do reps really know what is in every batch of every product.
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    My facetious post about denying fondling sheep is basically my way of saying that the silence on USP's end IS basically their way of saying no tainted batches were produced.

    Why didn't Obama respond to Trump's birth certificate flamebait? Because it was absurd, and to respond would have given Trump and his allegations the credence they didn't deserve to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    What in the world are you talking about. If you have no independent verification about what is in Versa 1, then kindly move on and let someone that does speak on an informed basis.

    I simply asked if USP can unequivocally state that ph is not in there. Candidly, you reflect very badly on PES if they endorse your sidestepping straight forward questions about contents or your trying to hide the ball as to what is truly in products. I hope PES does not share your mentality, but then again do reps really know what is in every batch of every product.
    How about you posting up some independent verification that shows something is in Versa-1 beyond what is on the label? That is the heart of the issue: there is nothing to substantiate the claim that there is MC within Versa-1.

    As for PES, I can guarantee you that compliance is of the utmost importance for us and, since there is nothing to substantiate the claim of DMAA in Alphamine, no response is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    My facetious post about denying fondling sheep is basically my way of saying that the silence on USP's end IS basically their way of saying no tainted batches were produced.

    Why didn't Obama respond to Trump's birth certificate flamebait? Because it was absurd, and to respond would have given Trump and his allegations the credence they didn't deserve to begin with.
    Haha, lets just say I do not see it that way. Enough of my energy wasted as I can see this is an exercise in futility. Very disconcerting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    How about you posting up some independent verification that shows something is in Versa-1 beyond what is on the label? That is the heart of the issue: there is nothing to substantiate the claim that there is MC within Versa-1. As for PES, I can guarantee you that compliance is of the utmost importance for us and, since there is nothing to substantiate the claim of DMAA in Alphamine, no response is needed.
    Shady man, your shady and the fact that you either don't get it or refuse to get it is disconcerting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Shady man, your shady and the fact that you either don't get it or refuse to get it is disconcerting.
    What's disconcerting is the fact that you can't understand a simple concept like burden of proof. Ironically, it's the USADA that looks shady as they don't have anything to substantiate their claims on any of the products on that list. Then again, what do I know? I don't have such an impressive legal resume such as yourself. /sarcasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Or how about a USP rep just simply denying it??
    I would never buy it so it doesnt really matter to me one way or another but if customers are curious why cant they just acknowledge the question
    They still trying to figure out the answer to the first question: what does the product do? :P Lulz. I kid I kid... sort of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    What's disconcerting is the fact that you can't understand a simple concept like burden of proof. Ironically, it's the USADA that looks shady as they don't have anything to substantiate their claims on any of the products on that list. Then again, what do I know? I don't have such an impressive legal resume such as yourself. /sarcasm
    That alright man. Don't sell yourself so short. The world needs ditch diggers too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    That alright man. Don't sell yourself so short. The world needs ditch diggers too.
    Wow. Shouldn't your issues be completely directed at USPLabs reps in PMs rather than you outburst of demands here and then going off on people whom do not agree with your paranoia? I mean, if you are concerned about it and can't find answers, then simply don't bother even considering the product. Not a far off concept to grasp here.
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    I've seen that list on the USADA but take it as a grain of salt.

    From PA:

    it appears to me that they did all these tests without proper handling of samples and instruments and everything just ended up getting contaminated (if you dont clean stuff well between sample preps and runs you will have ghost peaks in everything). And knowing usada they dont care, and they probably are more than happy to post fautly information to cause confusion amoungst athletes regarding supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    What in the world are you talking about. If you have no independent verification about what is in Versa 1, then kindly move on and let someone that does speak on an informed basis.

    I simply asked if USP can unequivocally state that ph is not in there. Candidly, you reflect very badly on PES if they endorse your sidestepping straight forward questions about contents or your trying to hide the ball as to what is truly in products. I hope PES does not share your mentality, but then again do reps really know what is in every batch of every product.

    The USADA list is absolute hogwash.

    The notion that there is methylclostebol in versa-1 is absurd.

    The FDA already picks over USPLabs with a fine toothed comb over their protest of the FDAs stance on DMAA, do you honestly think they'd put a highly potent steroid in a product off-label, with no attempt to mask it whatsoever?

    That's ludicrous.
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    So Versa 1 either works and it is completely because of steroids or it doesn't do a dang thing?

    At least we have it down to one of those two
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    So Versa 1 either works and it is completely because of steroids or it doesn't do a dang thing?

    At least we have it down to one of those two
    It definitely aids with cortisol control. And as far as fat burning aegeline is a beta 3 agonist which in humans doesn't show to do much but I honestly feel it does
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    I wish Versa 1 had methylclostebol lol, I bought 2 bottles from the release deal and got no results whatsoever. Maybe SLIGHT focus from the choline. At least USPlabs has Oxyelite pro and Jack3d.
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    My neutral stance on the issue: USADA is bullcrap.
    I love USPlabs and PES and they're my goto supps!
    Tried Versa 1 but I didn't feel much if anything.. it may have affected me but I didn't feel it..
    All of this back and forth COULD be handled by a rep just denying the claim.. just sayin.. its pretty simple..
    Does look like contamination during testing by the USADA..
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexErdellan View Post
    I wish Versa 1 had methylclostebol lol, I bought 2 bottles from the release deal and got no results whatsoever. Maybe SLIGHT focus from the choline. At least USPlabs has Oxyelite pro and Jack3d.
    Ha ha, they got you for 2 bottles. :P

    The OEP Advanced with the forskolin-95 in it looks pretty legit though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Ha ha, they got you for 2 bottles. :P

    The OEP Advanced with the forskolin-95 in it looks pretty legit though.
    Wtf I didn't see that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Wtf I didn't see that!
    Think it came out this week or something. Confusing as hell.

    You have the original OEP (discontinued), then you have the new OEP, then you have the OEP powder which is a different profile, and now OEP Advanced. It's bananas at USPLabs but they are upping their game with their formulations. I like the direction they are going even though it feels like they are kind of borrowing heavily from PES :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Think it came out this week or something. Confusing as hell.

    You have the original OEP (discontinued), then you have the new OEP, then you have the OEP powder which is a different profile, and now OEP Advanced. It's bananas at USPLabs but they are upping their game with their formulations. I like the direction they are going even though it feels like they are kind of borrowing heavily from PES :P
    Yo I got 2 oep new formula on the way. I used oep powder and og.

    Now I need to find this one. Run the new formula and this formula together at 2 caps of each

    Stim junky here lol
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    **** saw it on Np


    Usp making me spend money I don have. Yet again
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Yo I got 2 oep new formula on the way. I used oep powder and og.

    Now I need to find this one. Run the new formula and this formula together at 2 caps of each

    Stim junky here lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    LoL. Think of how shredded you're going to be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Think it came out this week or something. Confusing as hell.

    You have the original OEP (discontinued), then you have the new OEP, then you have the OEP powder which is a different profile, and now OEP Advanced. It's bananas at USPLabs but they are upping their game with their formulations. I like the direction they are going even though it feels like they are kind of borrowing heavily from PES :P
    borrowing heavily from pes seems to be the trend.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    borrowing heavily from pes seems to be the trend.....
    I'd take that over another bottle of Versa-1 any day :P
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    I'm almost 3 weeks into versa 1. After about a week I upped to 2 caps per day. I it does ***something but I'm not sure it's worth the money. Tbh. I can definitely say it does increase the potency and duration of the stims you use it with.

    Keeps you in the game during workouts but again not sure it's enough to be worth it the money. But if you're ballin then by all means.

    It DOES work. I can honestly say that. But it also doesn't live up to the original hype. I'd give it a 6/10 if you double dose it
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    I like Versa-1, but I'm not "Ballin" so I can only run it at one cap a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    borrowing heavily from pes seems to be the trend.....
    Or co-developing
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Wtf I didn't see that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Or co-developing
    or I'm in the raw material business...

    this is the problem with industry, we love to drown the other guy instead of collaborate...

    I'm cool with all the rumors, keeps me in mouth, once that does not happen, I will be worried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    That alright man. Don't sell yourself so short. The world needs ditch diggers too.
    STFU.
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    Wtf I didn't see that!
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