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    First off Ive been away awhile. Simple I am 22, in good shape, dont get to workout as much as Id like due to my job.

    1. I have three bottles of havoc I bought when I was 18 and dumb. I never took it cause I was too scared.
    2. The bottles have expired are they worth anything?
    3. I have always been a drinker, not super heavy but I enjoy having beers. I dont know if i could give up drinking for 8+ weeks, so should I just throw this stuff out?

    Any tips and advice ill appreciate guys thank you! Hope you all are doing well.

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    When did it expire
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    I just looked at the year is cut off on all of them. I want to say it was over a year ago.
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    if you cant give up drinking for 8 weeks, might as well get rid of them

    just sell em on amazon or ebay. some dum@ss kid will buy them lol. theyre still good probly for another 3-4 years if you stored them in a good spot
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    if you cant give up drinking for 8 weeks, might as well get rid of them

    just sell em on amazon or ebay. some dum@ss kid will buy them lol. theyre still good probly for another 3-4 years if you stored them in a good spot
    Well I CAN give up drinking but I am literally moving half way across the country. I plan on meeting people, and one way will be at bars most likely. I hate to sell them to some dumb 18 year old too. I know they are fairly strong, but I also have heard they are a fairly safe PH.

    Part of me is really wanting to take the jump and just commit to it. However, I am a traveling sales man, and if I cant get to a gym or whatever I just would hate to put that much stress on my body and waste them.

    If they will stay good I will just hang on to them, untill I figure out more of what my schedule would be like.

    Are guys still taking SERMS as PCT for havoc?
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    If you wanna sell then pm me. Yes a serm is required
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    if you cant give up drinking for 8 weeks, might as well get rid of them
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    traveling sales man at 22? idk if that sucks or kicks ass lol

    yes we use serms for epistane
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    traveling sales man at 22? idk if that sucks or kicks ass lol

    yes we use serms for epistane
    Ive been fortunate. I graduated college in 3.5 years got a job and then received a large promotion as a District Sales Manager within 8 months. So it kinda kicks ass but man I work a lot of hours.

    Is the only way to get a SERM you gotta know someone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by at1010 View Post

    Ive been fortunate. I graduated college in 3.5 years got a job and then received a large promotion as a District Sales Manager within 8 months. So it kinda kicks ass but man I work a lot of hours.

    Is the only way to get a SERM you gotta know someone?
    research chems or some online pharmacies are your best bet

    you gotta be real careful though and research any surces youre interested in before buying online. its a legitimacy issue, not a legal issue
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    Intersresting. Wow its so tempting to take the jump. Ive always been a well built guy,and I just ate a lot and worked out hard. I am not huge but I think fairly well built. I know if I took something like this I could look great! Ughhh

    Whats the best way to run it?

    ex. 20/20/20/30/30/20?
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    well if you cant commit to it fully because of the drinking and work schedule, its not worth doing. youll just lose it all during pct

    but if you lock it all down, dont go below 30 on epistane ever. an ideal first cycle looks something like 30/30/30/40/40/40. 20 just doesnt do anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    well if you cant commit to it fully because of the drinking and work schedule, its not worth doing. youll just lose it all during pct

    but if you lock it all down, dont go below 30 on epistane ever. an ideal first cycle looks something like 30/30/30/40/40/40. 20 just doesnt do anything
    I agree. If you can't hit the gym min 4x a week and kill it for 2hr each gym visit then IMO it's not worth running. Plus if you are traveling a lot I'm guessing proper on cycle diet may also be difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    well if you cant commit to it fully because of the drinking and work schedule, its not worth doing. youll just lose it all during pct

    but if you lock it all down, dont go below 30 on epistane ever. an ideal first cycle looks something like 30/30/30/40/40/40. 20 just doesnt do anything
    This. You will have to give up drinking if you want your liver to remain relatively intact lol.

    I would run a full PCT with anything; even a mild PH. No sense only doing bare minimum and having something go wrong.

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